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Southern California
Jul 2002
time: 21:34
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I went and had a small chat with Miccofl. Nothing amazing to note...
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[16:47:29] [WhiteBandit] ahoy!
[16:48:14] * miccofl is trying to think of something nautical to say...
[16:48:34] [WhiteBandit] there be pirates in these waters?
[16:48:35] * miccofl fails 
[16:48:53] [WhiteBandit] mind if i ask a few questions about the isdg?
[16:49:01] [miccofl] not at all
[16:49:09] [WhiteBandit] alright
[16:49:24] [WhiteBandit] just wondering what you guys are considering doing at the moment, or even considering responding?
[16:49:39] [miccofl] responding to what?
[16:49:40] [WhiteBandit] (responding to GCA/GWTs posts at the UN)
[16:50:00] [miccofl] oh lol, we don't go there anymore
[16:50:09] [WhiteBandit] they are asking what is up. the lack of communication from both sides (and even mongoose) is somewhat frustrating
[16:50:25] [WhiteBandit] especially when we are a mere few turns away from landing on GWT shores as well
[16:50:37] [WhiteBandit] so we're anxious to get the game moving again 
[16:50:41] [miccofl] I understand your frustration
[16:50:46] [WhiteBandit] (despite lucky being a goatf*cker)
[16:50:58] [WhiteBandit] but his time will come soon enough
[16:51:07] [miccofl] but I will be damned if I will give shitweasel peace yet
[16:51:34] [WhiteBandit] yeah, many on our team are in agreeance with that, especially when he *****ed and moaned every step of the way when we tried to get peace frrom them
[16:51:48] [miccofl] I have a kamakazi knight named Alpo that still needs to die
[16:52:06] [WhiteBandit] excellent
[16:52:10] [WhiteBandit] is he on the boat?
[16:52:24] [miccofl] yep, he's on the Big Johnson
[16:52:38] [WhiteBandit] haha
[16:52:41] [WhiteBandit] excellent name!
[16:53:13] [miccofl] I named the last turn thread 710 BC - What good is a Big Johnson if you don't use it?
[16:53:15] [WhiteBandit] we're hoping mongoose will rule in your favor, considering that GCA and GWT are both in an alliance
[16:53:29] [WhiteBandit] and since GWT doesn't want peace, it's a moot point
[16:54:46] [WhiteBandit] perhaps some sort of post at the UN would be warranted though, that way all parties around know you guys are still alive :P
[16:55:07] [miccofl] it's mongoose that you need to worry about
[16:55:19] [miccofl] last I heard his computer was down
[16:55:42] [WhiteBandit] yeah
[16:56:01] [WhiteBandit] i hope you guys rape GCA in the C3CISDG
[16:56:41] [miccofl] I hope CDZ leaves us a little bit of them anyway
[16:56:46] [miccofl] shhh
[16:57:00] [WhiteBandit] ohh, an alliance is brewing already?
[16:57:01] [WhiteBandit] 
[16:57:12] [WhiteBandit] it's quite obvious no one likes GCA :P
[16:57:21] [miccofl] brewing? we have been drunk on it for some time
[16:57:42] [WhiteBandit] haha, excellent!
[16:58:13] [miccofl] speaking of brew, I need to refresh mine brb
[17:01:14] [miccofl] Our official position, posted in our private forum (mongoose201 has access)
[17:01:15] [miccofl] Well, we still have 2 units in the area that we intend to attack/harrass with so for us to agree to peace at this point would hobble the use of those units for 20 turns (rule by game mechanics) so until those units are gone we cannot begin to count up the 5 turns after cessation of hostilities. As such, Lucky's request and claim is groundless.
[17:01:16] [miccofl]
[17:01:16] [miccofl] As for explaining our position, mongoose201 knows where we are, has access to the forum and our chat channels and knows my AIM handle. He knows how to get in touch with us; if he wants an explanation, let him ask and he will receive it.
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[17:01:19] [miccofl] As for the UN, it is a useless waste of space (no insult intended to CDG) because with the current state of "world politics" a 2/3 vote is an impossibility and the decisions made by the game administrator have been questionable at best couple that with the fact that these major decisions have been made without so much as a consultation with the teams as a group, add to that the fact that GCA has been behaving like children, taunting a
[17:01:25] [miccofl] let me know if that flooded
[17:02:18] [WhiteBandit] last part flooded
[17:02:22] [WhiteBandit] the fact that GCA has been behaving like children, taunting a
[17:02:41] [miccofl] add to that the fact that GCA has been behaving like children, taunting and harassing us with no intervention on anyone’s part (other than our allies.) Therefore several weeks ago, I unsubscribed to that forum (PTW ISDG) and haven’t aggravated myself with it since and have no intention of doing so in the future.
[17:03:31] [WhiteBandit] ah nice
[17:03:35] [WhiteBandit] i understand your point
[17:03:49] [WhiteBandit] are you guys considering posting that at the UN at all?
[17:04:10] [miccofl] haven’t aggravated myself with it since and have no intention of doing so in the future.
[17:04:14] [miccofl] 
[17:04:30] [miccofl] let them eat static
[17:05:15] [miccofl] although it would be nice to know just how big a tantrum Lucky is throwing
[17:05:26] [WhiteBandit] crying like a baby as usual
[17:08:25] [miccofl] perhaps you could have one of the "rabble" post something to the effect that we are in anarchy so there is no one to accept peace - that should set him off
[17:11:47] [miccofl] off the record: the main reason I refuse to go to the UN is that I will get banned for what I have to say to the prickless bastard (not that it wouldn't provide priceless entertainment for everyone else) If I had no other commitments it wouldn't be an issue, but with the C3C game hosted there I cannot jeapordize my membership
[17:12:45] [WhiteBandit] hehe
[17:12:46] [WhiteBandit] okay
[17:12:50] [WhiteBandit] i'll pass along the message
[17:12:53] [WhiteBandit] i understand your anger
[17:13:22] [miccofl] it's way past anger
[17:13:35] [miccofl] deep seeded hatred doesn't even do it justice
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Acampo, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:34
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From a post at CGN in response to my quoted post...
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Originally Posted by BigFree
Thanks for the update. We hope you didn't give those bas'turds' anything!
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The only thing I gave them was another look at our Big Johnson (see the pic)
*miccofl is getting a lot of mileage out of that boat
Here's the log where I informed them of the failure of the peace poll (I lied too, nobody voted to give them an early peace ) :rotflmao:
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[07:18:16:33] *** Bongo (tom-rune.d@1868C60.863FDC21.4E9E9559.IP) has joined channel #isdg
[07:18:16:33] Bongo> lo
[07:18:16:34] miccofl> Hello
[07:18:16:35] Bongo> Hi there, how's the poll going?
[07:18:16:35] Bongo> The team is eager to play the turn
[07:18:16:35] miccofl> Well with only an hour left it would take 6 people to show up and vote for peace to change the outcome
[07:18:16:36] Bongo> No peace then?
[07:18:16:36] miccofl> 5 more turns
[07:18:16:36] Bongo> Any comment on the reason for saying no?
[07:18:16:36] miccofl> 4 after you play yours
[07:18:16:37] miccofl> most comments were that it was not enough and you would benefit far more
[07:18:16:37] Bongo> We will of course get benefits from it, that's why we suggested it
[07:18:16:38] miccofl> well they think that you shouldn't benefit quite so much and we should benefit a bit more
[07:18:16:38] Bongo> Of course, we cannot give you the exact numers on *how* much we will benefit, those numbers are considered a state secret
[07:18:16:38] Bongo> Any numbers?
[07:18:16:39] miccofl> just the one that said at least 400
[07:18:16:40] Bongo> A doubling of our current offer then...You are either too greedy or are ovrejudging the size of our ecenomy
[07:18:16:40] miccofl> there are those who believe your entertainment rate is at 40%
[07:18:16:41] Bongo> How was yours before your revoulution then?
[07:18:16:41] miccofl> 20% plus entertainers
[07:18:16:42] miccofl> it was getting exponentially worse each turn at the end
[07:18:16:42] Bongo> No ****, all those lost cities must have hurt
[07:18:16:42] miccofl> of course some of that was due to the loss of luxuries
[07:18:16:43] Bongo> If you get 400g, how much do you think will be left for us then, even at 40%?
[07:18:16:43] miccofl> I don't know that they will even accept that
[07:18:16:43] miccofl> only two people commented on why they voted against peace
[07:18:16:44] Bongo> So they don't want to share the benefit then, they just want us to bleed more?
[07:18:16:44] miccofl> possibly, like I said, they didn't say
[07:18:16:45] miccofl> actually without the 5 turn rule you would have stood a better chance at an early peace
[07:18:16:45] Bongo> Oh well, I bring the result to my team then.
[07:18:16:45] miccofl> but then Lucky would never get peace
[07:18:16:45] Bongo> We might want to argue a bit over that point, as poly never had to endure those 5 turns
[07:18:16:46] miccofl> my understanding is they did, but unfortunately all those threads are gone
[07:18:16:46] miccofl> no way to verify one way or the other
[07:18:16:47] miccofl> what they do remember is all the flap associated with it
[07:18:16:47] Bongo> The way I understand it, mongoose more or less said the 5 turns was gone already and then told GCA to accept it
[07:18:16:48] Bongo> There had been more then 5 turns of non-action, but less than 5 after mongoose made his ruling
[07:18:16:48] miccofl> so then in order to verify that they did go the 5 turns we would have to get a hold of mongoose and that is not currently possible
[07:18:16:49] Bongo> There are other way of course, poly would know, their archives are likely ok
[07:18:16:49] miccofl> in any case, we had action this turn and it would go 5 turns from this one we just played
[07:18:16:50] miccofl> this game has been so poorly managed and documented
[07:18:16:50] Bongo> Yeah, you hade action with us, but not with GCA
[07:18:16:50] miccofl> our Knight on the Saltpeter would have prevented its use
[07:18:16:51] miccofl> would bounce any labor they had on it
[07:18:16:52] Bongo> Being there is not enough, GCA did a lot of harassement which didn't iclude fighting APO/CFC
[07:18:16:53] miccofl> I have no proof of that, but I do have proof of our intent
[07:18:16:53] miccofl> well documented
[07:18:16:54] miccofl> we will argue the point ad nausem
[07:18:16:54] Bongo> Nobody is doubting your intentions, we are questioning your ability
[07:18:16:54] miccofl> that's why it would make things so much easier and quicker if you left it alone
[07:18:16:55] Bongo> Easier for whom?
[07:18:16:55] miccofl> everybody
[07:18:16:55] miccofl> Lucky will stall the game and we will not budge until mongoose makes a ruling
[07:18:16:56] miccofl> if the knight is there he has no grounds to hold
[07:18:16:56] Bongo> then you will attack him and demand another 5 turns
[07:18:16:57] miccofl> it's either 5 turns from this one or 5 from the next, just with the latter choice we don't have the game held up for weeks again
[07:18:16:58] miccofl> if it were any other team it would be a non issue but since it's Lucky...
[07:18:16:58] Bongo> What iwll the knight do next turn if it is alive?
[07:18:16:58] miccofl> I don't think you quite understand the loathing and contempt my team feels toward him
[07:18:16:58] miccofl> he will attack and die
[07:18:16:59] miccofl> a regular knight against a Pike or more in a walled city?
[07:18:16:59] miccofl> my luck isn't that good
[07:18:16:59] Bongo> And then you can claim another 5 turns...
[07:18:17:00] miccofl> like I said, we can claim 5 turns from this one just past and deal with Lucky pitching a fit and holding the game, or you can let it live to die on our next turn and the game moves on and in 4 turns you get peace and he gets it in 5
[07:18:17:01] Bongo> I don't se how that helps, you get to payback lucky a fraction of what you wants...
[07:18:17:01] miccofl> every little bit helps
[07:18:17:01] Bongo> why would lucky hold the game?
[07:18:17:01] miccofl> we wouldn't give him peace at all if we didn't have to
[07:18:17:02] Bongo> Like he wouldn't give peace to poly but were forced to
[07:18:17:02] miccofl> he held it for a week last turn becaue we wouldn't give it to him
[07:18:17:02] Bongo> If you don't do it someone will force you to
[07:18:17:03] miccofl> difference is poly declared war on them and asked for peace, we declared war on them and we do not want peace
[07:18:17:03] Bongo> that's just semantics
[07:18:17:04] miccofl> perhaps, but the greater burden of ww is on the civ that declared war
[07:18:17:04] Bongo> you're in anarchy, you don't have WW
[07:18:17:04] miccofl> won't be next turn
[07:18:17:05] miccofl> didn't go into anarchy becase of ww anyway, we were broke and had too many units for one city to support
[07:18:17:05] Bongo> Besides you don't have GCA citizens in you city
[07:18:17:05] Bongo> I know, only democracies can be overthrown cause of WW
[07:18:17:10] Bongo> We're going to take out that knight btw... as you attacked us this turn, it won't make much difference to us anyway
[07:18:17:10] miccofl> count on Lucky holding up the turn then
[07:18:17:11] Bongo> Have you read the UN lately? If you don't accept peace by 760ad youcan except some heavy pressure, from *all* teams, not just lucky
[07:18:17:11] miccofl> I don't go there anymore
[07:18:17:11] Bongo> Oh well, it would be 770ad with us of course
[07:18:17:12] miccofl> I got tired of all the BS
[07:18:17:12] miccofl> as for pressure, we only take orders from the game administrator
[07:18:17:12] Bongo> Of course
[07:18:17:13] miccofl> if mongoose tells us to give him peace then we will, otherwise we wait 5 turns
[07:18:17:17] Bongo> Interesting read the UN, according to lucky, last hostile act between GCA and CGN occured in 630AD
[07:18:17:19] miccofl> last hostile act was 720 AD and I have the screens to prove it
[07:18:17:20] Bongo> I have seen that knight now, he is within GCA territory but hasn't done any fighting/pillaging, nor has he been attacked by GCA forces, GWT will kill him before he gets the change of doing anything
[07:18:17:21] miccofl> and I will argue the point until we are removed from the game, I really don't care
[07:18:17:21] Bongo> Oh well, bedtime is approaching and I don't see us getting anywhere
[07:18:17:21] Bongo> It was worth a try...
[07:18:17:21] miccofl> like I said, if you want the game to progress, leave the knight alone and let GCA fight their own battles
[07:18:17:22] Bongo> whatever...
[07:18:17:22] Bongo> bye then
[07:18:17:22] miccofl> see ya
[07:18:17:22] *** Signoff: Bongo (Quit: )
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Orlando, Florida
Mar 2001
time: 00:34
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Sent this to the only 4 CFC e-mails I have:
Ankka, Cheetah, Oxt_X & one of their members, who had e-mailed me.
CC'ed Consuls & FAM
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Zarn sent Togas a message, about a meeting in chat. Can you have him (or someone else) give us a summery of what is needed to be discussed, as we can then see who we need to meet with you all, at that point in time. Please have someone, if anything, give us several times, when you want to try to meet. If anything, most of our people are available, in the Late PM hours for the US, but we can see about schedualling things sooner, as we also have several people in other timezones (another reason why it;s better to let us know what needs to be talked about, so that we can get whomever ready for the chat).
Just to let you know, for your & your Forum Info, the e-mail addresses are for our current Consuls Master Zen, Kloreep & MrWhereItsAt) and FAM (Togas, Conmcb25 & Aidun), besides me being MoI. Please direct all correspondances to all of these people, so that one of us gets it ASAP. Can you also, provide a list of people who are currently in your leadership, especially people who are active in your forum (to better facilite any message traffic between us).
Just to let you know, we land in 2 turns and will very likely play our turn tonight (US EDT). We are also currently hanging out in your Embassy chatroom.
E_T, Minister of the Interior for Apolytonia
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Togas
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California
Jun 2002
time: 21:34
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to cheetah via email:
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Cheetah,
In the past, Apolyton has always appointed someone to ferry messages to and from other teams. We've always had ambassadors ... middlemen ... to handle other teams. I'm changing that. We don't need to have more people and more bueaucracy between our teams. Right now what we need is to get some genuine cooperation and open channels between us, ESPECIALLY since we will be invading GWT WHEN WE NEXT OPEN UP THE SAVE!
If you ever wanted to chat with us, there will be no better time than in these next few days. We'll send you screenshots and highlights of the action, real time.
We're open to chat anytime, of course, but thus far haven't seen anyone come by. Just come to our #isdgfamtalks room whenever you guys would like to have a "face to face" chat.
And in the future, feel free to email me and if I don't get back to you within 24 hours, email Master Zen and tell him that I'm "lazy and I suck". He'll know what it means.  Bottom line: We need to do a better job of keeping you guys in the loop.
I'd like to start with your questions:
> - The future of our tech and gold trades. What are we aiming for? Shall
> we continue with us sending you gold and you sending us techs? Shall
> both research for theirselves and then trade?
The answer to this question is complicated, and I think it should depend on what CFC really wants to do. I know that my team wants to continue our combined economy approach -- we use our massive research machine to crank out techs and gift them to you, you subsidize our efforts. Our team has been very please with the arrangement thus far, as the extra gold has allowed us to both research and build up our nation, and we have become the greatest research power in the world. However, we have yet to truely tap that power, once we go Golden Age (around 20 turns after the attack, I think) we will be getting techs every 4 turns which will (if we keep up this arrangement) be gifted to you guys.
Personally, I think the arrangment has been great for both of us, but I think we definately need to hear how you guys feel. And if there's a better arrangement that can be made, we should start talking about it now.
> - The attack. As you will be landing in two turns time there isn't to
> much to discuss here, as what I was interested in knowing was if you
> could spare some forces for Leo's as well as Ruhrpott. Because the
> GWT-CGN war ended prematurely, I do not believe CFCs force will be
> enough to capture Leo's alone.
The CGN war ended too soon for both of us. We ended up scrapping our secondary assault because we felt GWT would move their fastmovers back to the middle of their empire for protection and our small raiding force that was going for Parth would get gobbled up. We put all of our forces into one massive armada for the Ruhrpott strike as we feel it is our most critical mission ... and if it succeeds it will send GWT into the dark ages. Due to the importance, we're basicly putting all of our eggs in one big basket. Hopefully, we made the right move.
All our ships are involved in that mission and they're all loaded to the brim so we really couldn't send any troops to help you guys Wish we could. About all we can do is distract and preoccupy the GWT defenders on the western coast to hopefully give you guys an edge in your bid to destroy Leos.
Is there anything you'd like to know about your assault next turn that hasn't been shared with you? Just let me know, I'll tell you whatever I can dig up.
Can you give us some details of your plans too? We really should coordinate and hopefully you have done so with Trip and others in the past. PLEASE keep the flow of information open and I'll do the same during these critical turns.
Let us hope that luck is on our side. If these attacks go as planned, we will have dealt a crushing blow to the seemingly invincible power that is GWT.
Long live our alliance!
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:34
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This a chat we had with EMP_CFC, our official ambassador a few hours ago:
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[22:50] [EMP_CFC] hello
[22:50] [Kloreep] Hi
[22:50] [Togas] what's up?
[22:51] [EMP_CFC] elections are up
[22:51] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:51] [Togas] who's running?
[22:51] [EMP_CFC] I will be yuor new ambassidor
[22:51] [EMP_CFC] we finished
[22:51] [Togas] gotcha
[22:51] [MasterZen] congrats
[22:51] [WhiteBandit] Ahoy!
[22:51] [EMP_CFC] thank you
[22:51] [Togas] Welcome to the most exciting chatroom in all of mIRCland
[22:52] [MasterZen] by far
[22:52] [EMP_CFC] yes I see
[22:52] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:52] [EMP_CFC] But the CFC chat room can be pretty good too :-P
[22:52] [Togas] we're always in, so make yourself comfortable and chat it up if you've got anything on your mind
[22:52] [Togas] not nearly as good as this one. We have Whitebandit
[22:52] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:52] [WhiteBandit] !
[22:53] [EMP_CFC] can't beat that
[22:53] [WhiteBandit] i haven't decided if that's an insult or a compliment
[22:53] [Togas] both
[22:53] [MasterZen] sometimes he dresses in drag to entertain us
[22:53] [Togas]
[22:53] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:53] [WhiteBandit] only on fridays
[22:53] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:53] [MasterZen] so tomorrow you have a front row ticket to the show
[22:53] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:53] [WhiteBandit] damn!
[22:54] [WhiteBandit] i just changed the schedule to wednesdays
[22:54] [WhiteBandit] sorry guys
[22:54] [Togas] drop in tomorrow night and we'll give you the play-by-play
[22:54] [MasterZen] what! you can't change the schedule like that, your agent hasn't contacted us
[22:54] [EMP_CFC] lol I will make sure I will
[22:54] [WhiteBandit] i have an agent now?
[22:54] [MasterZen] if you expect Apolyton Casino to hire you for another year
[22:54] [WhiteBandit] i must be getting popular
[22:54] [WhiteBandit] yeah, wait until i bust out my elvis impersionasions
[22:55] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:55] [WhiteBandit] i spelled that atrociously 
[22:55] [EMP_CFC] Mr togas, are you still minister of fogrien affairs dude?
[22:55] [Togas] still am
[22:55] [EMP_CFC] good good
[22:55] [Togas] although sometimes I seem to forget
[22:56] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:56] [Togas] but I'm all sobered up now, with the *ahem* "activities" about to start
[22:56] [WhiteBandit] geez
[22:56] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:56] [WhiteBandit] i'm drunk off my ass because of it
[22:56] [WhiteBandit]
[22:56] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:57] [EMP_CFC] you APO people are a lot more lively then us
[22:57] [MasterZen] it's the crack
[22:57] [WhiteBandit] and the cross dressing
[22:57] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:57] [EMP_CFC] hey I thought we were trading luxories!
[22:58] [MasterZen] yes, you send us a lux, we send you WhiteBandit
[22:58] [MasterZen] makes 3 people content in each of your cities
[22:58] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:58] [Togas] he's worth at least 2
[22:58] [WhiteBandit] whoa, i didn't realize i had that effect
[22:58] [MasterZen] he's like JS Bach's Cathedral all in one
[22:58] [WhiteBandit] i thought instantly created riots
[22:58] [MasterZen] that's when you drink
[22:58] [WhiteBandit] well yes
[22:58] [EMP_CFC] I hope he is on the ships to GWT
[22:58] [WhiteBandit] my roommates seem to act that way
[22:59] [Togas] the man lives with 4 hot women
[22:59] [WhiteBandit]
[22:59] [EMP_CFC] lol
[22:59] [WhiteBandit] did you see the pic togas?
[22:59] [MasterZen] and yet...nothing... ever... happens 
[22:59] [Togas] hell yeah
[22:59] [WhiteBandit] haha
[22:59] [WhiteBandit]
[22:59] [WhiteBandit] yeah, tell me about it!
[22:59] [WhiteBandit]
[22:59] [Kloreep] It's not a TV show, MZ
[22:59] [MasterZen] make it happen!
[22:59] [Togas] WB is sort of like Jack Tripper from Three's Company.
[22:59] [WhiteBandit] haha
[23:00] [WhiteBandit] but i don't have to act gay to move here
[23:00] [WhiteBandit] but they probably associated me with that when they heard that im from "san francisco" :-X
[23:00] [Togas] and the ladies think of him only as a friend
[23:00] [EMP_CFC] lol
[23:00] [WhiteBandit] well
[23:00] [WhiteBandit] they all want me
[23:01] [MasterZen] which is diametrically opposed to him thinking of them as MEAT
[23:01] [WhiteBandit] they just don't know it yet
[23:02] [WhiteBandit] EMP - just so you know what you're dealing with:
[23:02] [WhiteBandit] http://www.rockbandit.net/pictures/dave-roommates.JPG
[23:03] [WhiteBandit] so any CFC ladies better watch out!
[23:03] [EMP_CFC] I am sorta glad that picture is not working on my computer
[23:03] [WhiteBandit] except chieftess, i've already tried my magic on her
[23:03] [EMP_CFC] uho
[23:03] [EMP_CFC] what she have to say to you
[23:03] [WhiteBandit] nothing
[23:04] [WhiteBandit] i tried my sweet talking and then realized she had been idle for 47 hours at that point
[23:04] [WhiteBandit] so i gave up
[23:04] [MasterZen] has anyone ever seen a pic of chieftess??
[23:04] [EMP_CFC] nope
[23:05] [Togas] I imagine the worst
[23:05] [WhiteBandit] i hope for the best!
[23:05] [MasterZen] I don't really care either way :P
[23:05] [WhiteBandit] anyway
[23:06] [WhiteBandit] how are your invasion plans coming?
[23:06] [EMP_CFC] ok
[23:07] [EMP_CFC] we still need one or two days to decide
[23:07] [Togas] did you guys want to discuss military stuff with us?
[23:07] [WhiteBandit] brb!
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[23:08] [EMP_CFC] I don't think so, but that could change
[23:09] [MasterZen] I talked a bit about military with Ankka this afternoon
[23:09] * MasterZen must... post... that... log...
[23:10] [Togas] good
[23:10] [Togas] what's the scoop? New target?
[23:10] [EMP_CFC] read the chat, I don't know myslef
[23:10] [MasterZen] well, I suggested they go after CFC
[23:10] [EMP_CFC] than ge tme a copy
[23:10] [MasterZen] err.. GCA
[23:10] [EMP_CFC] lol
[23:11] [MasterZen] well, you can go after yourselves, don't know how that'll work out :P
[23:12] [EMP_CFC] lol
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[23:14] [Togas] destroy GCA
[23:16] [EMP_CFC] well my thought it that we should go for GWT, unless we can garenty oursleves that we can get rid of them fully
[23:17] [MasterZen] the problem is that the Riders will arrive around Flammburg when 1) their slowmover stack is around there and 2) they will have Ansar in the vicinity
[23:17] [Kloreep] The Ansar will be a danger anywhere
[23:17] [MasterZen] less in the south
[23:18] [Kloreep] But with the slowmovers there too, it doesn't look good
[23:18] [Kloreep] Yes, probably less in the south
[23:18] [MasterZen] plus, the more combat with GWT, the more the odds of them getting a GL, which is my personal greatest nightmare
[23:18] [EMP_CFC] o yes yes
[23:18] [EMP_CFC] i see
[23:19] [MasterZen] ultimately, what I told Ankka is that you guys need to sit down and decide yourselves on where you want to strike. We only offer suggestions but since we are landing on opposite coasts, practical cooperation is impossible.
[23:19] [EMP_CFC] yes yes
[23:30] [EMP_CFC] well I think that is it diplomacy wise
[23:32] [Togas] how do you guys feel about our current tech/gold plan?
[23:32] [EMP_CFC] well as minister of science I have a couple thoughts, though we have not talked about it for a while
[23:34] [EMP_CFC] I think (not my teams thoughts) that we both should reserch sepratly with yuo doing the most, but us going more than what we are doing now
[23:35] [EMP_CFC] what do you guys think
[23:37] [Togas] might work. Mostly depends on how fast you guys can research?
[23:37] [EMP_CFC] yes, that is another thing, I don't think we have any libraies
[23:38] [Togas] if you don't, it seems like a waste.
[23:38] [Togas] we've got a nice research engine going with a lot of libraries
[23:39] [EMP_CFC] good good
[23:39] [Togas] what are you guys working on now?
[23:40] [EMP_CFC] printing press
[23:41] [Togas] how long?
[23:43] [EMP_CFC] 25 turns
[23:43] [Togas] wow
[23:43] [Togas] that's a while
[23:43] [Kloreep] 40-turn tech with a scientist, I assume?
[23:44] [EMP_CFC] yes sir
[23:46] [Togas] I think we might be industrial by the time you guys finish
[23:46] [EMP_CFC] good good
[23:47] [EMP_CFC] have we thought about the counter attack GWT might do on our continant
[23:47] [EMP_CFC] or what will happen when we defeat GWT and GCA
[23:48] [MasterZen] I doubt this strike will defeat them
[23:48] [MasterZen] it's just a crippling operation so we can be on even terms
[23:48] [EMP_CFC] but I am sure that they will be able to counter attack some time after this whole invasion
[23:49] [Kloreep] Once they get Navigation they'll be capable of that
[23:49] [Togas] we need to get railroads up before they counter attack
[23:49] [Togas] so rushing to industrial is critical
[23:49] [Kloreep] Until then, they'd have to put up with major sinking of any galleys they tried to invade with
[23:49] [EMP_CFC] yes, asssuming we have coal
[23:49] [Kloreep] This is PTW; I think it's a safe assumption we have coal
[23:50] [Togas] yeah, we killed A LOT of jungle ... must be some coal in there
[23:50] [Kloreep] Especially considering the jungle
[23:50] [EMP_CFC] good good
[23:54] [Kloreep] Night
[23:55] [EMP_CFC] farwell
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[23:55] [EMP_CFC] well I also must be sleeping
[23:56] [EMP_CFC] to get in contact with me my e mail is emperornapoloen@netscape.net
[23:56] [EMP_CFC] and AIM is Emperornapoloen, ICQ is 288955638 and MSN is emperornapoloen@hotmail.com
[23:56] [EMP_CFC] farwell
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:34
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this was a chat I had earlier with Ankka in the afternoon:
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[13:12] -Cheetah- Hello
[13:12] [Cheetah] there
[13:12] [MasterZen] hello
[13:12] [Cheetah] now lets see if there are anybody around
[13:12] [Cheetah] ah!
[13:12] [MasterZen] miracles exist
[13:12] [Cheetah] guess they do
[13:13] [Cheetah] would you say this channel is secure?
[13:13] [MasterZen] not often though
[13:13] [Cheetah] heh
[13:14] [Cheetah] I'll get right on business then:
[13:14] [Cheetah] The attack
[13:15] [Cheetah] hello?
[13:15] [MasterZen] I'm listening
[13:15] [Cheetah] k
[13:16] [Cheetah] I'm looking at the save
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[13:16] [Ankka] hi all.
[13:16] [Cheetah] trying to find out if we really want to go for Leo's or not
[13:16] [Ankka] I'm a little mixed up... how many turns until we land?
[13:16] [Cheetah] that depends on what we want to attack
[13:16] [Ankka] Leo's would be good..
[13:18] [Cheetah] of course
[13:18] [Cheetah] but not if we can't take it
[13:18] [MasterZen] I think CFC has two choices:
[13:18] [MasterZen] 1) Attack leo's
[13:18] [MasterZen] 2) trash GCA
[13:18] [Cheetah] I believe we will have better luck burning GCAs new cities
[13:18] [Cheetah] yes
[13:19] [Ankka] GCA will have most of its forces there...
[13:19] [MasterZen] Leo's will be hard, because much of GWT's Ansar will be around there, and also their slowmover stack might be in the vicinity if they started moving it back the turn Micco was razed
[13:19] [Ankka] they might be distracted by your attack, though.
[13:19] [Ankka] at least the Ansar...
[13:20] [Ankka] dunno though.
[13:20] [Cheetah] If we go for Leo's we will land in 6 turns
[13:21] [Ankka] I wonder how they wil react and if they will be aware of anything coming from CFC..
[13:21] [Ankka] depends a lot on how weak they think we are.
[13:21] [MasterZen] They might expect something from that side, but maybe not from CFC
[13:21] [Ankka] true...
[13:22] [Ankka] CGN fell too soon.
[13:22] [MasterZen] after our forces leave, they'll probably have most of their Ansar defending their homeland
[13:22] [MasterZen] WAAY too soon
[13:22] [MasterZen] they should have at least defended Micco rather than raze it, that would've killed off a good chunck of their slowmovers
[13:22] [Ankka] they abandoned it?
[13:22] [Cheetah] I don't think they expect anything, and even if they do, it wouldn't mather much, since their slowmovers will be around that area when we land :-/
[13:23] [Ankka] *cough**coughj*idiots*cough*
[13:23] [Cheetah] yes
[13:24] [MasterZen] just because their pride couldn't take the fact of seeing Micco in navy blue colors
[13:24] [Ankka] that's no reason! :|
[13:24] [Cheetah] bah
[13:24] [Ankka] because of that they made our attack much more difficult..
[13:25] [Ankka] BTW, how will your attack go?
[13:25] [Ankka] turn one: land, turn two: destroy FP, turn three leave?
[13:26] [MasterZen] yes and something just occured to me...
[13:26] [Cheetah] New idea: Attack and destroy Zweimeersblick and Cervoise
[13:26] [Cheetah] what?
[13:26] [MasterZen] we really want to avoid combat as much as possible so that GWT does not get an extra leader
[13:26] [MasterZen] if they get a GL, our attack means absolutely squat
[13:26] [Ankka] yeah.
[13:26] [Cheetah] correct :/
[13:27] [MasterZen] I'm therefore leaning towards the idea of you attacking GCA instead
[13:27] [Ankka] yeah.
[13:27] [Ankka] this is much more difficult challenge than playing against the AI.
[13:27] [Cheetah] yes
[13:27] [MasterZen] definitely
[13:27] [Ankka] aka much more fun.
[13:27] [MasterZen] it will not be an easy task either
[13:27] [Cheetah] I think that will be the wisest thing to do
[13:28] [Ankka] we could blitz their capitol... or could we?
[13:28] [Cheetah] 11 Riders on 1 city at a time?
[13:28] [Ankka] they'll be all ready when GWT sends them a screenie...
[13:28] [MasterZen] the secondary objective of CFC of course is to trigger your GA
[13:28] [Ankka] oh yeah.
[13:28] [Ankka] forgot that.
[13:29] [Cheetah] We have a strong military compared to GCA, they don't have to many units
[13:29] [Ankka] what would be even better would be if we get a GL.
[13:29] [Cheetah] I think the GA is guaranteed
[13:29] [Cheetah] hehe
[13:29] [Ankka] that is true..
[13:29] [MasterZen] try to take advantage of those 20 turns as much as you can, we'll both need to be very productive if we expect to surge ahead of GWT/GCA
[13:29] [Cheetah] But how about Zweimeersblick and Cervoise?
[13:29] [MasterZen] let me see the map..
[13:29] [Ankka] GCA has been on the move lately, so they propably won't have much of improvements or anything thhere.
[13:30] [Cheetah] taking those two cities would cut the continent in half, and I think it will be doable
[13:31] [Cheetah] 34 Gold to investigate Zweimeersblick. What do you say Ankka?
[13:31] [Ankka] how much do we have?
[13:31] [Ankka] oh, wait, I'll open the save...
[13:34] [MasterZen] can't.. find.. map... thread...dammit
[13:34] [Cheetah] 457 Gold. And at least a 100 more every turn.
[13:34] [Ankka] o_O
[13:34] [Ankka] thats a lot
[13:35] [Ankka] thats a lot more than a few turns ago.
[13:35] [MasterZen] damn, you're richer than us.. hahaha
[13:35] [Ankka] :P
[13:35] [Cheetah] MasterZen: It's the two cities on the chokepoints in the middle of the contnent. One is owned by GWT and the other by GCA
[13:35] [Cheetah] hehe
[13:35] [Cheetah] After we nearly stoped sending gold to apolyton we are just accumulating it :P
[13:36] [Cheetah] that is the other thing I want to talk about : What we will do about gold and tech trades
[13:36] [Cheetah] but I gotta go
[13:36] [Cheetah] back in 20/30 min
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[13:36] [MasterZen] we can discuss that later, we are floating some ideas in the forum
[13:36] [MasterZen] well my suggestions for the CFC strike
[13:36] [MasterZen] 1) try and avoid their slowmover stack
[13:37] [Ankka] hm k.
[13:37] [MasterZen] 2) try to avoid combat with their elites
[13:37] [Ankka] yeah.
[13:37] [MasterZen] 3) take advantage of your Rider's 3 movement to cut a swatch of destruction across lightly-defended cities
[13:37] [Ankka] yeah, 3 moves is awesome
[13:38] [MasterZen] 4) try not to stay there TOO long because the Ansars will come eventually (at least some of them)
[13:38] [MasterZen] 5) salvage as many units as you can in the end for home defense, Riders are valuable units
[13:38] [Ankka] Riders cost a lot.
[13:38] [MasterZen] this is basically a hit-and-run operation
[13:38] [Ankka] and are effective.
[13:38] [MasterZen] based on surprise
[13:38] [Ankka] yeah.
[13:39] [Ankka] If I only saw their faces when they see your assault...
[13:39] [MasterZen] we can invade them for REAL in the industrial age
[13:39] [MasterZen] but this strike needs to succeed, and for it to succeed they cannot get a GL
[13:40] [Ankka] yes.
[13:40] [Ankka] stupid thing the FP can be rebuilt.
[13:40] [MasterZen] anyway, those are my suggestions, ultimately the decision on where to strike is up to you guys, we definitely should be getting feedback from each other when the war starts
[13:40] [Ankka] sure.
[13:41] [MasterZen] pics/info, stuff like that. We'll probably be sending you pics of the front with the saves from now on
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[13:45] [Ankka] I thought you guys built the Sistine Chapel?
[13:45] [MasterZen] nope, we were building it as a prebuild. This duped GWT into rushing their leader to get it
[13:46] [Ankka] hehe
[13:46] [Ankka] prebuild for...?
[13:46] [Ankka] cop's`?
[13:47] [MasterZen] honestly don't remember...
[13:47] [Ankka] :P
[13:47] [Ankka] how many leaders did they fish from that war?
[13:47] [MasterZen] GWT got 1 at least
[13:47] [MasterZen] still, nothing like GCA
[13:47] [MasterZen] they got THREE against us
[13:47] [Ankka] 3?!?!
[13:48] [Ankka] o_O
[13:48] [Ankka] Lucky.
[13:48] [Ankka] gahgahgah
[13:48] [MasterZen] I believe all 3 were against CFC, or 2 and 1 against us soemthing like that
[13:48] [Ankka] I wasn't around really at that time.
[13:49] [Ankka] they lost a lot of troops in a battle for one city we won. :]
[13:49] [Ankka] *
[13:49] [Ankka] Yun Qiuling
[13:51] [MasterZen] they never lost an attack against our troops
[13:51] [MasterZen] even horses vs. Numidians
[13:51] [Ankka] how can you know?
[13:51] [MasterZen] because we never got our GA
[13:52] [MasterZen] 100% effectiveness in attack. That is beyond luck
[13:52] [MasterZen] btw, dccdis is CFC too?
[13:52] [Ankka] ÿou didn't get a GA out of that?
[13:52] [Ankka] yeah.
[13:53] [MasterZen] nope, no GA
[13:53] [Ankka] why didn't you attack with numidians?
[13:53] [dccdis] ye im cfc
[13:54] [MasterZen] because it was deemed better to delay it. Look at it this way, if we cripple GWT, then CFC and Poly getting their GA's will give us a much bigger advantage
[13:54] [dccdis] just here to see any news of the attack
[13:54] [Ankka] how comeyou get your GA?
[13:54] [Ankka] a wonder one?
[13:55] [MasterZen] I sure hope so
[13:57] [Ankka] your former capitol was Bananatopia=
[13:57] [Ankka] *?
[13:57] [MasterZen] our former capital no longer exists, only in the history books
[13:57] [Ankka] huh?
[13:58] [MasterZen] it was Apolyton
[13:58] [Ankka] oh, that was it...
[13:58] [Ankka] no wonder none of those cities sounded right
[13:59] [MasterZen] well, I have to go AFK for a while
[13:59] * MasterZen wonders if Aidun is here...
[13:59] [Ankka] ok, and I must go to sleep soon.
[13:59] [Ankka] so bye
[14:00] [MasterZen] cya
[14:00] [Ankka] and remember the best screenies of the assault.
[14:00] [Ankka]
[14:00] [MasterZen] sure
[14:00] [Ankka] bye
[14:00] [dccdis] yes screenies would be nice
[14:01] [Ankka] bye
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of the pillow
Jun 2002
time: 00:34
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We chatted with CFC about current and future invasion possibilities. We also touched on the issue of how much money they should send us.
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Start of #demogame_cfc_embassy2 buffer: Sat Jul 24 15:25:12 2004
[13:58] * Now talking in #demogame_cfc_embassy2
[13:58] * Topic is '5Welcome to the Fanatikouan Embassy :: Latest official chat: 24.7.2004 - with Apolyton'
[13:58] * Set by Ankka on Sat Jul 24 13:54:34
[13:58] [E_T[APO]] yeah, but it shows up if someone is in here and it;s not protected
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[13:59] * Ankka sets mode: +p-s
[13:59] [Ankka] good point.
[13:59] [Ankka] and I'm too lazy to figure out how to keep the password.
[13:59] [Ankka] duh
[13:59] [Ankka] gah
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[13:59] [Kloreep] I've found it's impossible te keep the password
[13:59] * Ankka changes topic to '5Welcome to the Fanatikouan Embassy :: '
[13:59] [Kloreep] You can, but it'll let the first person to enter the room in regardless once it's empty
[14:00] [Ankka] I was also thinking it was so. :|
[14:02] [Kloreep] Well, shall we start?
[14:02] [Kloreep] I'm afraid I have some bad news to break :S
[14:02] [Ankka] I can be here for max an hour
[14:02] [Ankka] ok, lets start.
[14:03] [Kloreep] Okay...
[14:03] [Kloreep] We got the save
[14:03] [Ankka] Official chat starts now
[14:03] [Kloreep] We scouted ahead with one ship and GWT has our LZ blocked
[14:03] [Ankka] gah!
[14:03] [Kloreep] There are two galleys off the coast as well, so we assume they've spotted the whole ship stack and are not just being cautious about their coast
[14:03] [Ankka] :|
[14:04] [Kloreep] So, the Rhurpott area is probably out for us
[14:04] [E_T[APO]] tottally
[14:04] [Kloreep] They'll likely have forces blocking us from landing pretty much anywhere
[14:04] [E_T[APO]] unless we take out those galleys, but that would risk the units on them
[14:04] [Ankka] gah.
[14:04] [Kloreep] Even if we take out the galleys, we'll have to spend turns moving around the coast out of their sight
[14:05] [E_T[APO]] and where thay are at, we can't attack them this turn
[14:05] [Kloreep] In that time, they could probably move their Ansar force up to block the area completely
[14:05] [E_T[APO]] or to be in range, if we do secure a beachhead
[14:05] [Kloreep] So, unless we're missing something, Rhurpott is out
[14:05] [Kloreep] We're going to have to think about what to do next
[14:05] [Kloreep] One possibility is to just head home
[14:05] [Ankka] argh.
[14:06] [Kloreep] We might also try moving south and joining you in trashing GCA's new area
[14:06] [Ankka] that could work.
[14:06] [Kloreep] But we're not getting their FP
[14:06] [EMP_CFC] NOOO!
[14:06] [WhiteBandit] ?
[14:06] [Ankka] we could try and get rid of GCA forever, GWT couldn't in the long run compete with 2 teams in science and production and commerce
[14:07] [EMP_CFC] I agre with ankka
[14:07] [WhiteBandit] if we did make a dent in GCA, GWT would just gift them another city in their interior
[14:07] [Kloreep] We can set GCA back, but unless we surprise them with a speed attack...
[14:07] [Kloreep] what WB said
[14:07] [Kloreep] We can't kill them, we can just set them back
[14:07] [Ankka] hm.
[14:07] [E_T[APO]] that would still help
[14:08] [Ankka] would it?
[14:08] [Kloreep] Yes, it would
[14:08] [EMP_CFC] there are probaly less troops in GCa cities, and if we burn them then GWt can not ahve them ack
[14:08] [Kloreep] We'd rip up whatever city improvements GCA now has in place
[14:08] [Ankka] we could burn the whole Southern part of the continent. :yeah:
[14:08] [Kloreep] We could also try to pillage as much terrain as we can
[14:08] [Ankka] and we could kill all those GWT cities there too.
[14:08] [E_T[APO]] Especially the Luxes and Resource tiles
[14:08] [E_T[APO]] and near them
[14:09] [Kloreep] I don't think complete destruction is possible before the Ansar arrive, though i you can pillage the road to the south, that might delay them
[14:09] [Ankka] starting from the North, pillaging as we go
[14:09] [EMP_CFC] go for GCA, so what if they get more cities from GWT, they will be dividing their forces more
[14:09] [E_T[APO]] and it would still hurt them, via the lux trade
[14:10] [Kloreep] Yes, we could probably burn some more of their commerce to WW
[14:10] [Ankka] if we coul start from the Northeast, and pillage as we come down and you could come in from the Northwest and destroy all there is?
[14:11] [Kloreep] We might be able to get most of their cities depending on resistance
[14:11] [Kloreep] Not much time left for tile improvements, though, probably
[14:12] [E_T[APO]] and there is still vast tracts of Unincorporated area, that fast movers can get through and pillage like mad
[14:13] [Ankka] yeah.
[14:13] [Ankka] first we destroy the road to the North, and pillage as we come down on GCA and GWT's southern cities
[14:13] [E_T[APO]] the thing is, we lost the small element of surprise that we had
[14:14] [E_T[APO]] while we are here, Kloreep, you want to talk about the thing that we have set up with CGN??
[14:14] [Ankka] ?
[14:15] [Kloreep] Let's see if Miccofl wants to join us, perhaps?
[14:15] [Kloreep] Ankka: We asked CGN if they could set up an alliance embassy forum for all three us
[14:16] [E_T[APO]] that way, it would be easier to help coordinte things like chat times, military plans, etc
[14:16] [Ankka] where?
[14:16] [Ankka] true
[14:16] [E_T[APO]] over at CGN
[14:16] [Ankka] not one more cv forum to go to... :P
[14:16] [Kloreep] hehe
[14:16] [E_T[APO]] you will have to register there and Micco will give you access to it
[14:17] [Ankka] I know
[14:17] [Ankka] and I'm not really complaining...
[14:17] [Kloreep] If you haven't registered at the CGN forums yet, go to http://www.civgaming.net/forums/
[14:18] [E_T[APO]] You all already have an embassy over there, and so do we, Micco had combined them, sort of, into a tree, where both have access to the top and each has access to the individual sections
[14:18] [Ankka] I don't get it but I'll look over there.
[14:19] [EMP_CFC] I ahvea n account there where is this embassy
[14:20] [Kloreep] http://www.civgaming.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=61 is the link Miccofl gave us
[14:20] [E_T[APO]] thingd like Mutual screenshots of troop movements, Setting up Lines of communications between mutual War Ministers and just generally keeping the lines of communications open
[14:21] [Ankka] sounds very good, I registered...
[14:21] [EMP_CFC] hmm, I do not ahve perrmmison yet I see
[14:21] [E_T[APO]] hold on
[14:22] [E_T[APO]] what are the Nicks you have used?
[14:22] [Ankka] me?
[14:22] [EMP_CFC] Emp. Napoleon
[14:22] [Ankka] Ankka
[14:22] [E_T[APO]] yeah, over at CGN
[14:22] [Ankka] Ankka
[14:22] [Ankka] obvious, huh? :P
[14:22] [EMP_CFC] lol
[14:22] [E_T[APO]] yeah
[14:22] [Ankka] go check it out, I'm the newest registered person there. :P
[14:23] [EMP_CFC] lol
[14:23] [E_T[APO]] hehe, just told Micco, he's working on it
[14:23] [Ankka] thanks.
[14:24] [Kloreep] [14:24] [miccofl] done
[14:24] [Kloreep] Try the link again
[14:24] [E_T[APO]] 15:19] [miccofl] done
[14:24] [E_T[APO]] [15:19] [Kloreep] Thanks
[14:24] [E_T[APO]] [15:19] [miccofl] they may have to log out and log back in
[14:25] [EMP_CFC] cool we are in the "alliance"
[14:25] [Ankka] yeah.
[14:26] [E_T[APO]] Zarn is your guys current Foreign affairs guy??
[14:26] [Ankka] yeah
[14:26] [Ankka] still
[14:26] [Ankka] :P
[14:27] [E_T[APO]] well, ask him to register and them PM/e-mail Micco for access
[14:27] [E_T[APO]] actaully, any of your memebers are welcome to be there
[14:28] [Ankka] ok... EMP wanna post something on this?
[14:28] [Ankka] I feel lazy.:P
[14:28] [E_T[APO]] and the more that go there, on regular basis, just to check things out, the better that we can keep in touch
[14:28] [EMP_CFC] soory I was playing pakman
[14:28] [E_T[APO]] [15:22] [miccofl] y'all want some titles? Immigrant is so lame
[14:29] [E_T[APO]] any ways, I think that there were other things that you guys had wanted to discuss
[14:29] [Ankka] immigrant is realy lame. eww. :P
[14:30] [E_T[APO]] atleast, from the e-mail that Cheetah had sent, there were other things that you all wanted to discuss
[14:30] [Ankka] can't remember.
[14:30] [Ankka] uh
[14:30] [Ankka] oh, the money and researchg stuff
[14:31] [EMP_CFC] posted ankka
[14:31] [E_T[APO]] yes, we did notice that you didn;t send anything this last turn, didn;t know if it was just forgetting or what
[14:31] [Ankka] dunno.
[14:31] [Ankka] Cheteah plyed.
[14:32] [Ankka] sorry bad spelling writing too fast. :|
[14:32] [E_T[APO]] it;s no biggie at thie time
[14:33] [E_T[APO]] We have figured, with your help, that we will be getting the next several technologies in approxamately 6 turns each
[14:34] [E_T[APO]] and that we, with your help, will be in Industrial Age, in less than 40 turns
[14:34] [Ankka] way cool!
[14:34] [Ankka] how much do you need?
[14:34] [E_T[APO]] basically, just keep doing what we have in the past
[14:35] [Ankka] uh... 25gpt?
[14:35] [Ankka] [22:24:15] [E_T[APO]] [15:22] [miccofl] y'all want some titles? Immigrant is so lame [--- how about Moderator? :P
[14:35] [E_T[APO]] but as I have found, from working with Cheetah, over the strike Planning budget, that we also don;t want to take too much of your cash flow, either
[14:35] [Kloreep] [14:35] [Ankka] [22:24:15] [E_T[APO]] [15:22] [miccofl] y'all want some titles? Immigrant is so lame [--- how about Moderator? :P
[14:35] [Kloreep] That's what I said
[14:35] [Kloreep] I'm afraid it didn't go through
[14:35] [Ankka] yeah, I think some 25% would be the max so we also get something.
[14:36] [Ankka] lol
[14:36] [E_T[APO]] 255 of your GPT each turn??
[14:36] [Kloreep] 25 %%%
[14:36] [Kloreep] What's your GPT now?
[14:36] [E_T[APO]] that tooo,,,,
[14:36] [E_T[APO]] hehe
[14:36] [Kloreep] How much would 25% be?
[14:37] [Ankka] we are making a little over 100gpt at 100% tax.
[14:37] [Ankka] so it would be something like 25-26gpt for now.
[14:37] [Ankka] more as we build more markets and stuff
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[14:39] [Ankka] hiya
[14:39] * Cheetah has joined #demogame_cfc_embassy2
[14:39] [Ankka] hi.
[14:39] [Cheetah] now then?
[14:39] [MasterZen] hi
[14:39] [Kloreep] Hi
[14:39] * Ankka sets mode: +a Cheetah
[14:39] [Cheetah] so how late am I?
[14:39] [Ankka] 40 mins or so. :P
[14:39] [E_T[APO]] yeah, but we are talking about money now
[14:39] [Ankka] not very badly
[14:40] [Kloreep] Have you been filled in on the news?
[14:40] [Kloreep] Our LZ at Ruhrpott is blokced
[14:40] [Ankka] duhduhduhh
[14:40] [Kloreep] They have two galleys in the area we can see, so we assume they spotted our caravel stack and are moving to block the whole coast in the area
[14:40] [Kloreep] If they didn't have enough to block it already
[14:41] [Cheetah] :O
[14:41] [Cheetah] not good!
[14:42] [Kloreep] So... Ruhrpott is pretty much out for us
[14:42] [Cheetah] but but but
[14:42] [Cheetah] what now then??
[14:42] [Ankka] GCA
[14:42] [Cheetah] no attack?
[14:42] [Cheetah] hm
[14:42] [Ankka] and the southern part of the continent.
[14:42] [E_T[APO]] GCA
[14:42] [Kloreep] Possibly head home, possibly head south and help you guys clean up the south
[14:43] [Kloreep] I lean toward heading south myself
[14:43] [Ankka] so do I.
[14:43] [Kloreep] Those knights aren't likely to do much good at home just yet, with GWT still lacking even astro
[14:43] [E_T[APO]] we are looking at keeping one Unit, towards their North, and the rest out of sight
[14:43] [E_T[APO]] that might keep enough of their fast movers up north to let us slip in in the south, too
[14:44] [E_T[APO]] we won;t get there, until after you do
[14:44] [Cheetah] hm
[14:44] [E_T[APO]] but it's all we can try to do
[14:44] [E_T[APO]] the thing is, with GCA helping GWT, like you guys are doing with us, we are all lost
[14:44] [Cheetah] no chance you can move away, wait a few turns, let us attack somewhere and hope the units are gone?
[14:45] [E_T[APO]] realistically, no, because they just have too much
[14:45] [WhiteBandit] i don't think they will fall for that
[14:45] [Kloreep] I don't either
[14:45] [Cheetah] neither do I :/
[14:45] [WhiteBandit] they probably have quite a few stack scattered all over their empire
[14:45] [Cheetah] hm
[14:45] [Kloreep] I think what would happen is their Ansars would retreat back south a little bit, but not too far to where they couldn't block us from landing again
[14:45] [Kloreep] And then they'd station galleys all round the area to see us coming
[14:46] [Ankka] duh
[14:46] [Cheetah] wonder if they have seen us
[14:46] [E_T[APO]] and our only shot, now, besides getting ready for them to try to Invade us, is to trash GCA up some
[14:46] [Cheetah] anyway, there's no way we will be able to take out Leo's now
[14:46] [Ankka] we could try to trash the whole South.
[14:46] [E_T[APO]] if we can do that, it might still set them back somewhat
[14:46] [Ankka] raze everything and pillage as much as possilbe before they get there. |
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[14:47] [Cheetah] would it be possible for us to acctualy start a full, permanent invasion in the south?
[14:47] [Ankka] it would lessen their effective land to abuot 50% of what it could have been.
[14:47] [E_T[APO]] and to be frank, we think that they are going to make their main thrust against you all
[14:47] [Cheetah] I don't think that will do much difference. The cities in the south are new, and will quickly be rebuilt
[14:47] [Kloreep] [14:47] [Cheetah] would it be possible for us to acctualy start a full, permanent invasion in the south?
[14:47] [Cheetah] "against you all" = us?
[14:47] [Kloreep] Then they'd concentrate their Ansar in the south
[14:47] [E_T[APO]] yes, but it takes time for workers to build roads and Mines and Irrigation
[14:48] [Cheetah] but how many Ansars do they have left?
[14:48] [E_T[APO]] yeah, more likely, multiple attack thrusts, to keep all of us occupided
[14:48] [E_T[APO]] but the maim part will likely be against you
[14:49] [Cheetah] if we can manage a war on their continent, the damage would be with them. our land would be untouched. We could even land forces at will to try to trap their armies...
[14:49] [E_T[APO]] because of the fact that your land isn't fully settled
[14:49] [Kloreep] I think the estimate we had was, what, possibly 40 or so Ansar?
[14:49] [Kloreep] MZ?
[14:49] [Kloreep] And we see a horse by Ruhrpott
[14:49] [E_T[APO]] because you have convient Islands to which to stage an Invasion
[14:49] [Kloreep] They're probably building more horses to upgrade to more Ansar through Leo's
[14:49] [Ankka] argh
[14:50] * Cheetah feels like swearing ]
[14:50] [Ankka] so do I.
[14:50] [E_T[APO]] and because of the fact that GCA likely hates you guys more than us (just a bit)
[14:50] [Cheetah] I don't like fighting on our soil. Better to let any collateral damage be to them than us!
[14:50] [Kloreep] Eh, I doubt GWT takes that in to much account
[14:50] [E_T[APO]] Cheetah, go ahead, it will make you feel better
[14:50] [Cheetah] hehe
[14:50] [Kloreep] But the other reasons are enough
[14:51] [Cheetah] It's very simple: We are the weakest of the two of us, therefore the easiest place to land.
[14:51] [Cheetah] So we can expect an invasion if we don't get to do something here...
[14:51] [Ankka] [22:45:57] [E_T[APO]] Cheetah, go ahead, it will make you feel better [--- not here, I'll kick you
[14:52] [Ankka] :P
[14:52] [Kloreep] Come to our uncensored embassy room, then
[14:52] [Cheetah] CFC still have a strong economy and the possibility to investigate any cities we'd like. We could find a hole in their defenses...
[14:52] [Cheetah] swearing is best done loudly and vocaly, over IRC it's just not the same :P
[14:53] [Cheetah] besides, I don't have a habit of swearing
[14:53] [Kloreep] Neither do I. Makes it better when you _do_ swear
[14:53] [Cheetah] yup
[14:53] [Ankka] OT!
[14:53] [Cheetah] but really: is a full, permanent invasion in the south out of the question??
[14:53] [EMP_CFC] (emp goes out side and scream a sweat word)
[14:53] [Kloreep] [14:52] [Cheetah] CFC still have a strong economy and the possibility to investigate any cities we'd like. We could find a hole in their defenses...
[14:53] [Cheetah] Ankka?
[14:53] [EMP_CFC] *swear
[14:53] [Kloreep] Investigations only reveal units inside cities
[14:54] [Kloreep] If they had a stack right next to the city, you wouldn't see it
[14:54] [Cheetah] not in the city radius?
[14:54] [Cheetah] oh
[14:54] [Cheetah] k :/
[14:54] [Ankka] [22:49:06] [Cheetah] Ankka? [--- what?
[14:54] [Cheetah] [21:50:15] [!Ankka] OT!
[14:54] [Cheetah] A Full and Permanent Invasion of the South
[14:55] [Cheetah] is it possible?
[14:55] [Kloreep] I don't think so
[14:55] [Cheetah] it is always better to fight a war on the enemys soil
[14:55] [Kloreep] Not a permanent one
[14:55] [Cheetah] hm
[14:55] [Kloreep] Once GWT sees us committing massive forces down there, they'll commit their Ansar
[14:55] [E_T[APO]] Oh, Cheetah, when you get a chance, go over the CGN and get registered, we have set up an alliance embassy over there, for mutual planning and communications
[14:55] [WhiteBandit] yeah
[14:55] [WhiteBandit] they can easily take back anything we keep
[14:56] [Ankka] he is registered. :P
[14:56] [Cheetah] If we take out GCAs new cities (GCA will probably get a new city up north), and send over new units, we should be able to fight, shouldn't we?
[14:56] [Ankka] he was the ambassador to CGN some time ago
[14:56] [Kloreep] Cheetah: If you have access to the CFC-CGN embassy, you should have access to the new alliance embassy too
[14:56] [Ankka] I have
[14:57] [Kloreep] [14:56] [Cheetah] If we take out GCAs new cities (GCA will probably get a new city up north), and send over new units, we should be able to fight, shouldn't we?
[14:57] [Kloreep] Yes, but then it becomes a production war
[14:57] [WhiteBandit] i dunno, the 45 or so combined units (providing every single one of them survived taking out GCA) going against GWT on its home turf is bleak at best
[14:57] [Kloreep] Even if we can stand, we'll be putting our economies in to war production fighting over desolate land
[14:57] [Cheetah] +12 units from CFC. Most of the Veteran Riders
[14:57] * E_T[APO] is going for a smoke
[14:57] [Kloreep] And GWT currently has a big advantage from Leo's
[14:57] [WhiteBandit] yes, but 40+ GWT ansar :-/
[14:57] * E_T[APO] is now known as E_T_outside_smoking
[14:57] [WhiteBandit] and thats just ansar stacks
[14:58] [WhiteBandit] not counting their slow movers
[14:58] [Kloreep] I think we'd need to burn what we can while resistance is light and we aren't losing too many units, and then get the heck out
[14:58] [Cheetah] E_T[APO]: that's not to healthy. You could catch a cold from the cold air :P
[14:58] [WhiteBandit] yeah
[14:58] [Cheetah] but then they will build up and come and fight on our soil
[14:58] [E_T_outside_smoking] Cheetah, I live in Central Florida, it;s 37 C out right now
[14:59] [Cheetah] E_T_outside_smoking: you know what I meant :P
[14:59] [Ankka] you could get a lung cancer from the hot winds throuhg that pipe-shaped thingy you have in your mouth. :P
[14:59] * E_T_outside_smoking .
[14:59] [Cheetah] Meaning our improvements will be pillaged, our cities burnt, etc. Wouldn't it be better to let that happen to them?
[15:00] [Ankka] we are gonna do it in the south
[15:00] [Cheetah] I just can't see how we would have any chance at all fighting an invasion fleet from GWT :/
[15:00] [Ankka] pillage and raze everything possible and then go away like the wind
[15:00] [Cheetah] yes, but that won't hurt them much Ankka :/
[15:00] [Ankka] GWT doesn't have Astronomy ] no invasion before that
[15:01] [Kloreep] [14:58] [Cheetah] but then they will build up and come and fight on our soil
[15:01] [Kloreep] We need Cav short-term
[15:01] [Kloreep] And picket ships in the sea both short-term and long-term
[15:01] [Kloreep] But long-term, rails should stop them until Marines
[15:01] [WhiteBandit] and hopefully we get marines first
[15:01] [Ankka] yeh
[15:02] [Kloreep] If we can get rail networks up before they can get Nav and an invasion fleet, we can stop any invasion, I'm sure
[15:02] [Kloreep] And if we then also beat them to Marines, we have a good chance yet
[15:02] [Ankka] yuppy
[15:02] [Cheetah] I still don't like it much. Fighting a full invasion would mean that GWT to have to use its economy for war...
[15:02] [Ankka] well, I'm sorry but I must leave you.
[15:02] [Kloreep] [15:02] [Cheetah] I still don't like it much. Fighting a full invasion would mean that GWT to have to use its economy for war...
[15:02] [Kloreep] But we would too
[15:02] [Cheetah] k. night Ankka
[15:02] [Ankka] sleep time.
[15:03] [Ankka] niht all
[15:03] * Ankka waves goodbye
[15:03] * Ankka has quit IRC (Quit: )
[15:03] [Kloreep] Defensive Knight/Rider, and later Cav, armies, will be needed, but not on the scale an invasion would require
[15:03] [Cheetah] Kloreep: yes, but the collateral damage would be theirs
[15:03] [Kloreep] Cheetah: Cav are fast, and can go anywhere with a rail network
[15:03] [Kloreep] Not much collateral damage if you eliminate the stack when it lands
[15:03] [Kloreep] That's why rails are so important
[15:04] [Kloreep] With a good rail network, anything that lands must stand up to our combined offensive armies
[15:04] [Cheetah] yes yes
[15:04] [Kloreep] BTW, I can't seem to log...
[15:04] [Kloreep] Err, nm
[15:04] [Cheetah] I can send you one from the time I joined
[15:04] [Kloreep] That's because I'm already logging
[15:04] [Kloreep] Must have turned on automatically
[15:04] [Cheetah] hehe
[15:05] [EMP_CFC] I must be goning now
[15:05] [EMP_CFC] see you all later
[15:05] [Cheetah] later
[15:05] * EMP_CFC has quit IRC (Quit: )
[15:05] [Kloreep] cya
[15:06] [Cheetah] But if we don't attack now, and manages to effectively destroy any GWT invasion force, when will we have a new chance of attacking?
[15:07] [Cheetah] that is the core of my fear
[15:07] [Cheetah] when they get riflemen and infantry, an offensive war will get _that_ much more difficult
[15:08] [Cheetah] ...
[15:08] [Cheetah] hello?
[15:08] [E_T_outside_smoking] we will have a naval force and the forces to take advatage of it, at the appropriate point in time
[15:08] [Kloreep] It will make it difficult
[15:08] [Kloreep] Frankly, I don't think a serious invasion of GWT is going to be possible for a long time
[15:08] [Kloreep] We'll have to wait for Marine
[15:08] [Kloreep] s
[15:08] [WhiteBandit] eh, cheetah - we're discussing what to do ourselves right now :-/
[15:08] [Cheetah] k
[15:08] [Kloreep] If you can crack a city open with Marines, you can land Tanks and cav and use their rails against them
[15:09] [E_T_outside_smoking] the thing is, if we can keep them from making any landings, then we have kept them at arm's lenght until then
[15:09] [Cheetah] would you consider letting me into the discussion then, I feel so alone here when noone talks :-]
[15:09] [E_T_outside_smoking] and we will have RR's long before they will
[15:09] [Cheetah] yes
[15:10] [Cheetah] It seems we are in the lead technologicaly, but what happens when they build up the southern part of the continent? :/
[15:10] [Kloreep] Cheetah: Not much going on in the chat room right now, and the rest is in our forums
[15:10] [Cheetah] hm k
[15:10] [Kloreep] That's the problem...
[15:10] [Cheetah] I am registered in the forums btw :P
[15:10] [Kloreep] Eventually GCA can help fund GWT's research
[15:11] * E_T_outside_smoking is now known as E_T[APO]
[15:11] [Kloreep] Right now, our combined economies can trump GWT's sole economy, but once GCA is able to build up...
[15:11] [Cheetah] if we do not attack, it will all come down to: who has the strongest economy?
[15:11] [Kloreep] But, if we do burn a lot of their development right now, that may help
[15:11] [Kloreep] Basically, yeah, I think so
[15:11] [Kloreep] Who can get Marines first
[15:11] [Kloreep] And Tanks
[15:11] [E_T[APO]] we are brainstorming, while discussing things, and we have forgotten that you are all on a time limit here
[15:12] [Cheetah] what time limit?
[15:13] [Cheetah] now it got silent again :/
[15:13] [Cheetah] well, then more minutes or so and it's dinner time for me
[15:14] [Cheetah]
[15:14] [Kloreep] I'm not sure there's much else to discuss...
[15:14] [E_T[APO]] hehe, sorry,talking in several windows...
[15:15] [E_T[APO]] well, Ankka was talking about 25% for what they will pay us every turn
[15:15] [Cheetah] so basicly, turn our fleet towards GCA, we must discuss further where to attack exactly, and the last thing
[15:15] [Cheetah] the payments yes
[15:15] [Cheetah] what are the agreements there?
[15:16] [E_T[APO]] well, we got sidetracked and are discussing now
[15:16] [Cheetah] heh
[15:17] [Cheetah] CFC need 24 more turns if we are to complete Printing Press with a single scientist
[15:18] [E_T[APO]] that is good
[15:18] [E_T[APO]] I was telling ankka, that with your help, that we can get to Industral Age, in around 40 turns
[15:19] [Cheetah] good
[15:19] [Cheetah] how much help is required for that?
[15:19] [E_T[APO]] and by that time, we should be able to have Banking available to give you and you can work on Demo
[15:20] [E_T[APO]] well, there are considerations, like what we both will need for upgrades, because of the impending GWT/GCA invasion
[15:20] [Cheetah] yes :/
[15:20] [Cheetah] but it's dinner time here
[15:21] [Cheetah] I gotta go
[15:21] [Cheetah] send me a mail when you're done discussing
[15:21] [Cheetah] cya
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[15:21] [E_T[APO]] and you all are really going to have to work at getting your Iron cut, as I showed you, to get lots of units built as fast as possible
[15:24] [WhiteBandit] hmm
[15:24] [WhiteBandit] it's just us in here now?
[15:24] [WhiteBandit] pfft!
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[12:43] * Now talking in #isdg-Embassy1
[12:43] * Topic is 'Welcome'
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[12:43] [miccofl] they have to be a member of a usergroup to see it
[12:43] [Kloreep] Hi
[12:43] [miccofl] hello
[12:43] [E_T[APO]] Well, I know that EMP is their current FAM
[12:43] [E_T[APO]] and Annka and Cheetah are their leaders
[12:44] [E_T[APO]] don't know about anyone else
[12:44] [miccofl] their embassy channel has been untended for weeks
[12:44] [Kloreep] Miccofl, are you guys ready to play the save, or do you need to discuss moves?
[12:45] [E_T[APO]] I'm talking to Micco about the combined alliance embassy
[12:45] [miccofl] Hmmm, move 4 boats (if we still have 4)
[12:45] * Kloreep is chomping at the bit to find out if the landing zone is empty
[12:45] [E_T[APO]] hehe
[12:45] [miccofl] should take longer to do the screenshots than to play the turn
[12:45] [Kloreep] k
[12:46] [E_T[APO]] well, if you ask very nicely, Micco might send us a NOT THE SAVE
[12:46] [miccofl] you can wait an hour can't you?
[12:46] [Kloreep] Sure
[12:46] [E_T[APO]] yes
[12:47] [E_T[APO]] Anyways, I'll let Kloreep talk more about the combined alliance embassy, since he is here
[12:50] [Kloreep] Whta do you think of the idea?
[12:50] [miccofl] just looking for the best way to do it
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[12:52] [miccofl] so long as there is nothing in your forum you object to them seeing, the best way is to move their threads in, set your forum so their usergroup can see it and post to it, do away with their embassy forum and rename yours.
[12:53] [miccofl] The other option is to place the two embassys in a parent forum with their respective permissions intact and the parent forum is available to all 3 teams
[13:01] [miccofl] I need to reboot, brb
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[13:06] [miccofl] sorry bout that, FS2004 does some strange things sometimes when you shut it down in the middle of a flight
[13:08] [miccofl] curious how our first view of the turn is centered on Apolyton Prime
[13:10] [Kloreep] ?
[13:11] [Kloreep] Hmm
[13:11] [Kloreep] I would think it would start out centered around GCA's capitol
[13:11] [miccofl] indeed
[13:11] [miccofl] but it never is
[13:12] [miccofl] well it looks like GWT doesn't get peace until 790 now, seems they put a big hole in the Big Johnson
[13:12] * BigFree|Away is back after 10h25m: auto-away after 30m idle
[13:12] * BigFree|Away is now known as BigFree
[13:13] [BigFree] Damn, maybe he shoould have been wearing protection
[13:15] [E_T[APO]] hehe, a Galley sized Condom
[13:16] [E_T[APO]] Although, I don;t even think I could take something that big...
[13:16] [E_T[APO]]
[13:17] [miccofl] There's a car dealership in West Palm called The Big Johnson
[13:19] [miccofl] always wanting people to come see the Big Johnson - I'm surprised the Southern Baptists haven't shut them down; maybe prudes don't get it
[13:19] [E_T[APO]] hehe
[13:19] [E_T[APO]] or they just ignore it, along with everything else
[13:20] [BigFree] I'm thinking the prudes don't get it
[13:20] [E_T[APO]] I mean, you don;t ever see them running around in a used car
[13:20] [miccofl] it's a Ford dealer - Crown Vic
[13:20] [miccofl] the car of choice for those over 65
[13:21] [miccofl] most of the offended SB's fall into that age group
[13:21] [BigFree] can they even see the sign at that age? :sarchastic:
[13:22] [miccofl] one wonders sometimes
[13:25] [E_T[APO]] some of them shouldn;t be on the road
[13:25] [E_T[APO]] but then, I shouldn;t talk, as my mom is 73 now
[13:26] [miccofl] you should be getting the turn any min
[13:26] [BigFree] got it
[13:26] [miccofl] so how should I arrange the embassy(s)?
[13:26] [Kloreep] Yep
[13:27] [miccofl] nye's email is bouncing
[13:27] [Kloreep] Hmm
[13:27] [miccofl] 3 in a row
[13:27] [Kloreep] 3 in a row?
[13:27] [Kloreep] I guess take him off for now, I'll PM him
[13:27] [miccofl] yep, last 3 turns all bounced
[13:27] [Kloreep] He isn't in the government anymore, so it isn't vital he be on the list
[13:27] [miccofl] typical for hotmail
[13:28] [E_T[APO]] I never use that crap
[13:28] [E_T[APO]] if you go somewhere else, like a Library to access it, they drop you
[14:12] [miccofl] See if this works: http://www.civgaming.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=61
[14:13] [Kloreep] Yep, it works
[14:13] [miccofl] good
[14:15] [E_T[APO]] looks good
[14:15] [Kloreep] Bad news, BTW
[14:15] [Kloreep] The LZ is blocked
[14:15] [Kloreep] They have galleys on the coast so we assume they spotted our caravel stack on their turn
[14:15] [BigFree] they somehow saw us
[14:16] [BigFree] I wish we had a real game admin
[14:16] [Kloreep] Miccofl: Have you granted the CFC members access yet?
[14:16] [Kloreep] We're in chat with them right now
[14:16] [BigFree] to ask if they really did have a chance to see us or not
[14:16] [Kloreep] BF: They did
[14:16] [Kloreep] How many times do I have to tell you?
[14:18] [BigFree] Yes, they saw us, i know, but by what means (legal or no)
[14:19] [miccofl] all permissions are set
[14:19] [miccofl] we use usergroups so it's fairly simple to add or deny a groups access
[14:19] [Kloreep] Cool
[14:21] [E_T[APO]] Ankka and EMP have just registered and need access
[14:22] [E_T[APO]] [15:17] [E_T[APO]] what are the Nicks you have used?
[14:22] [E_T[APO]] [15:17] [Ankka] me?
[14:22] [E_T[APO]] [15:17] [EMP_CFC] Emp. Napoleon
[14:22] [E_T[APO]] [15:17] [Ankka] Ankka
[14:22] [E_T[APO]] [15:17] [E_T[APO]] yeah, over at CGN
[14:24] [miccofl] done
[14:24] [Kloreep] Thanks
[14:24] [miccofl] they may have to log out and log back in
[14:27] [miccofl] y'all want some titles? Immigrant is so lame
[14:29] [Kloreep] I want "Moderator"
[14:30] [miccofl] nice try
[15:10] [E_T[APO]] Hey, How would you like to stay at war with GWT/GCA for a long time??
[15:11] [miccofl] what's your plan
[15:13] [BigFree] don't have one yet
[15:13] [BigFree] some thoughts include invading GCA
[15:14] [E_T[APO]] we are brainstorming
[15:14] [BigFree] some include going home and pouting
[15:14] [BigFree] some inlcude heding towards Flamburg to tie up GWT so that when CFC lands, they have an easier time
[15:15] [miccofl] with what?
[15:16] [miccofl] we no longer have anything in-theatre
[15:17] [BigFree] we are thinking of many things
[15:18] [BigFree] getting you more cities in which to build
[15:18] [Kloreep] Yeah, I frankly don't think CGN has much they can do right now
[15:18] [Kloreep] Though action later might be a possibility
[15:18] [BigFree] devoting our resources to getting you off the groound
[15:27] [E_T[APO]] getting you Nav, for one, but then, it does kind of go against the "spirit" of the Ruling
[15:27] [Kloreep] Yes, I would say it does
[15:28] [E_T[APO]] but then, that would be for Mongoose to decide
[15:29] [E_T[APO]] because, with my help, we can get 3 cities up with enough output to be a thorn in GCA/GWT's side
[15:29] [E_T[APO]] and who;s to say, if they fill up every tile, that war still can;t be fought
[15:30] [BigFree] adios
[15:30] [BigFree] time for work
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[15:30] [E_T[APO]] anyways, it;s an Idea that we are exploring, although not one we relish
[15:30] [Kloreep] You could say that
[15:31] [Kloreep] I think getting you some production to build a small invasion force for later might be a good idea, but right now, gifting you nav doesn't make you really capable of war
[15:32] [E_T[APO]] well, the original argument, delt with us and them not beeing able to get at each other
[15:32] [E_T[APO]] and we still had to deal with that one galley/spear
[15:32] [E_T[APO]] until they had disbanded them
[15:35] [miccofl] so how long before you attack GWT?
[15:36] [Kloreep] Urgh... bad news there
[15:36] [Kloreep] We would have landed this turn
[15:36] [Kloreep] But they have the LZ covered
[15:36] [Kloreep] They have two galleys along the coast, and we think that they had a galley forted on the one tile that would have let them see us last turn
[15:36] [E_T[APO]] which is why we are looking at other options
[15:36] [Kloreep] Moved it there, rather
[15:37] [miccofl] so much for the element of surprise
[15:38] [Kloreep] Yep
[15:38] [Kloreep] We're now thinking over other possibilities
[15:38] [Kloreep] If we don't just pack up and go home, and that wouldn't accomplish much anyway, we'll probably join CFC in attacking GCA's area in your old homeland
[15:40] [E_T[APO]] I need to reboot, I'll be back in a few
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Kloreep
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of the pillow
Jun 2002
time: 00:34
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Bongo came by #isdgfamtalks
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[13:05] [Kloreep] Hi
[13:05] [Bongo] wow, how did you do that?
[13:06] [BigFree] Kloreep is one of our officals who amy be able to help you
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[13:06] [BigFree] I'm good 12:4D1
[13:06] [Bongo] good how did you get hold of him that fast?
[13:06] [Kloreep] I was in the our private chat
[13:07] [BigFree] Bat phone in the bat cave, don't you know about it?
[13:08] [Bongo]
[13:08] [Bongo] Now, would any of you care to comment on the current situation?
[13:09] [BigFree] what situation is that?
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[13:12] [Kriegsminister] grmpf, I've got some network issues
[13:12] [BigFree] ah, your alias joins us now
[13:12] [Kriegsminister] did I miss the asnwer?
[13:12] [BigFree] [11:06:16] [Bongo] Now, would any of you care to comment on the current situation?
[13:12] [BigFree] [11:06:49] [BigFree] what situation is that?
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[13:13] [Kriegsminister] appearantly not
[13:13] [Kloreep] bongo: We have some internal issues to resolve
[13:13] [Kriegsminister] seems like you want a new admin to sort suff out
[13:13] [Kloreep] I think we may be able to handle it ourselves, but I would like an admin to help oversee this issue
[13:14] [BigFree] yes, we need a game admin. It wouldn't be prudent to say more than that at this time
[13:14] [Kriegsminister] So it is not a bug or something else concerning other teams?
[13:14] [Kloreep] The main problem right now is more internal
[13:14] [Kriegsminister] The one holding the game?
[13:15] [BigFree] bingo, bongo
[13:15] [Kloreep] Yep
[13:15] [Kriegsminister] BTW, I would also like a new admin
[13:15] [BigFree] sorry, couldn't resist
[13:15] [Kriegsminister] YOU mUST DIE
[13:15] [BigFree] 12:4D1
[13:15] [Kriegsminister] SIE MUSSEN STERBEN !!!
[13:15] [Kriegsminister]
[13:17] [Trip] das ist nicht schoen, mein Freund
[13:17] [Kriegsminister] gut is there a second issue as well or do you need an admin anyway?
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[13:18] [BigFree] Well, since every team is in agreement that we need an admin, I think it's best to let one deal with the current situation.
[13:19] [BigFree] It's a shame the game is beig held up by the lack of an admin, but nothing can be done retroactively to change that or give us one.
[13:20] [Kriegsminister] Why do you need an admin if it's an internal issue?
[13:20] [BigFree] Not unless GWT want to decalre APO the winner.
[13:20] [BigFree] 12:4D1
[13:20] [BigFree] If I told you, you would understand.
[13:20] [Kriegsminister] Why oh Why didn't we start out with TWO admins
[13:20] [BigFree] But, we cannot tell you; we must only tell an admin
[13:21] [BigFree] Heck, three would have been nice
[13:21] [Kriegsminister] You know, I'm starting to suspect *I* could give you an answer
[13:21] [BigFree] lol
[13:21] [BigFree] well, I guess you can give it a shot.
[13:22] [BigFree] sort of like jepordy; the answer before the question
[13:22] [Kriegsminister] I blind shot?
[13:22] [BigFree] sure, if you feel up to it.
[13:22] [Kriegsminister] How would an admin help btw? If it is what I think it is ha won't be able to answer anyway
[13:23] [BigFree] we don't know exactly how to let you know waht our problem is withour creating another problem. I do find it intersting that you think have an idea as to what the root of the issue may be..
[13:24] [Kriegsminister] if it has something to do with GWT he would sooner or later have to ask us anyway
[13:24] [BigFree] possibly
[13:24] [BigFree] I cannot say
[13:24] [BigFree] We are as anxious as any to get this game moving
[13:24] [BigFree] It kills us to see it not moving
[13:25] [Kriegsminister] Me too, I think it lowers my quality of sleep..
[13:25] [BigFree] lol
[13:26] [Kriegsminister] Trip, do you remeber chatting with me a month or two ago
[13:26] [BigFree] So, can you let us know what you "think" the problem may be?
[13:26] [Trip] yeah
[13:27] [Kriegsminister] I am waiting for the big ugly surprise you promised us
[13:28] [Kloreep] Bongo, I hope to be able to post more about this soon
[13:28] [Kloreep] In the meanwhile, please be patient
[13:28] [Kriegsminister] Would it be connected with the current issue?
[13:32] [Kriegsminister] Hm, no comments?
[13:33] [BigFree] I think it is connected; but cannot say more now.
[13:33] [Kriegsminister] If I provide the answer would you give the question?
[13:34] [BigFree] possibly
[13:35] [Kloreep] I see patience is a lost art
[13:37] [Kriegsminister] The answer is 'horseman'
[13:39] [Kriegsminister] Did I get close?
[13:39] [BigFree] I have no idea
[13:40] [BigFree] "horsemen' is not even close enough to formultae a question for I think
[13:41] [Kriegsminister]
[13:42] [Kriegsminister] Not even slightly related?
[13:44] [BigFree] I dunno
[13:44] [BigFree] you'll have to go a bit further i'd say
[13:45] [Kriegsminister] Then the problem is not what I thought it was, or you don't know enough of the problems nature
[13:46] [BigFree] Yeah, let's not play the guessing game anymore
[13:47] [BigFree] I don't want to go too far.
[13:47] [Kriegsminister] Oh well...you keep us posed I guess
[13:47] [BigFree] This game has too much invested in it.
[13:48] [Kriegsminister] Did you answer the bug question btw?
[13:48] [Kriegsminister] Can you rule out a bug?
[13:49] [BigFree] yes
[13:49] [BigFree] at leat most likely
[13:50] [Kriegsminister] That's something..
[13:50] [BigFree] But you never know anything unitl yopu "know"
[13:51] [Kriegsminister] I'll bring the 'info' on to my team then, keep postin in the UN.
[13:51] [Kriegsminister] see ya
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Aidun
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The Hague, the capital of the civilized world
Nov 2002
time: 06:34
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Yesterday night:
BF asked me to post this:
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-EMP_CFC- Hello!
Hi
EMP_CFC> how are you sir?
Aidun> I'm fine sir, how are you?
EMP_CFC> good
EMP_CFC> now I am here to talk about what you could not tell me before
BigFree> and what makes you think we would tell you now?
EMP_CFC> :-P it has been over a week, and I hope aidun got councle approval by then
BigFree> The announcement was made by the game admin
BigFree> I'm not sure what we could add to it
EMP_CFC> that APO will merge with CFC :-P
BigFree> What specifically did you want to know?
BigFree> HAHA
BigFree> well, we are an alliance
BigFree> its obvious it will be game long
EMP_CFC> that would be cool, though
EMP_CFC> Aidun was going to tell me something
BigFree> if it wasn't GWT would win
BigFree> its a team game now
BigFree> basically APO-CFC Vs GWT-GCA with a little CGN thrown in on our side
EMP_CFC> o about that
EMP_CFC> CGN
EMP_CFC> we are going to keep them right?
BigFree> yes
BigFree> definatley
EMP_CFC> ok
BigFree> Like I said to Oct, I want to get CGN set up with at least 6 cities of theri own
EMP_CFC> so you guys will not tell me, no matter how many times I ask?
BigFree> He was supposed to make that reccomendation to CFC a little while ago
BigFree> what exactly are you asking though?
EMP_CFC> let me see if I still have the chat
EMP_CFC> ok, nvm lost it
EMP_CFC> where is your fleet by the way?
BigFree> I wanted CFC to give a samll area up near where our Silk Colony is to CGN. It's an area that would be corrupt for both APO and CFC. So, I think that CGN would be able to get 6-7 cties in that small area and be able to contribut up to 100 commerce per turn once fully functional. I would like APO to settle the region and basically improve it with workers and gift it to CGN.
BigFree> OOur fleet is still off the coast of GWT, but we moved it slight North last turn
BigFree> We are still debating what to do with it this turn
BigFree> Some on our team want you to head to Flamburg
BigFree> Some want you to go to Cervoise
BigFree> It's a toos up
EMP_CFC> I see
BigFree> here's our position right now: http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...fleet.amb88.JPG
EMP_CFC> good good
EMP_CFC> well I will post that
EMP_CFC> I thought blocking land to land so that we have to use marins was against the rules?
BigFree> no
BigFree> it is a cheesy tactic in my mind though
BigFree> though it is within the rules
BigFree> people use that agaisnt the AI very often
EMP_CFC> yes yes
MasterZen> it's not cheesy
MasterZen> who want's to get invaded? Nobody
MasterZen> it's UNREALISTIC, that is true
EMP_CFC> then being invaded is impossable untill marines if you plan it right
* Arnelos is now known as Arnelos|BUSY
MasterZen> I mean, Persia invaded Greece with 250,000 men before christ was born. What if greece had blocked all its "tiles"?
BigFree> exactly
BigFree> all unit should be ale to attack for the sea, but at a cost
EMP_CFC> :-P
BigFree> perhaps at 50%
EMP_CFC> yes, an idea for civIV
MasterZen> In Civ2 you could
EMP_CFC> back in the day
BigFree> :sigh:
* BigFree remebers the good ol days
MasterZen> proving Civ2 was the best Civ game ofa ll time
EMP_CFC> naw, civ III is better
MasterZen> better in the absolute sense
MasterZen> not in the relative
MasterZen> Civ2 was FOR ITS time much better than Civ3 was now
MasterZen> IMO
EMP_CFC> yes, a big jump from civI
Togas> point
EMP_CFC> well I am done with all of my diploatic stuff
BigFree> cool
BigFree> did you see OCt lately?
BigFree> di he mention CGN and the silk colony?
BigFree> [15:42:11] BigFree> I wanted CFC to give a samll area up near where our Silk Colony is to CGN. It's an area that would be corrupt for both APO and CFC. So, I think that CGN would be able to get 6-7 cties in that small area and be able to contribut up to 100 commerce per turn once fully functional. I would like APO to settle the region and basically improve it with workers and gift it to CGN.
EMP_CFC> yes something about giving our noirthern lands up
BigFree> not alot of it
BigFree> just a small corrupt portion
BigFree> that wasy we'll, as an alliance,have 5 coes instead of 4
BigFree> *cores
EMP_CFC> well why did we keep CGN around anyways, in your words
* MasterZen is now known as MZ[Cooking]
* Arnelos|BUSY is now known as Arnelos|FOOD
EMP_CFC> well if that is it, I must be going now
EMP_CFC> farwell
* EMP_CFC has left #isdgfamtalks
BigFree> Aidun
BigFree> can you post this chat in the coreespondence thread?
* BigFree sets mode: +oo Arnelos|FOOD Aidun
* BigFree slaps Aidun around a bit with a small Imperial-Class Stardestroyer
* BigFree is away: BigFree|Away
* BigFree is now known as BigFree|Away
* BigFree|Away is away: BigFree|Away
* Arnelos|FOOD is now known as Arnelos
* Togas is now known as TogasIDLE
Aidun> Yes I will
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New Year's Resolution: 2005 is the year of Where It's At - come get some.
Nov 2001
time: 17:34
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From earlier today
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10:36] * WIA is now known as WIA_working
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[10:50] Aidun_half_away> I was working on another piece for a story I'm writing.
[10:51] EMP_CFC> sorry to bother you, but I need to tell you that CFc is going to attack GCA
[10:53] WIA_working> Ah! Oh. Er...
[10:53] WIA_working> Whereabouts are you attacking?
[10:53] EMP_CFC> we don't know yet, I will find out soon though
[10:54] WIA_working> Do you have the save now, or will this happen when you next get it?
[10:55] EMP_CFC> I am starting the thread right now, so maybe in 3 daysish we will have a target
[11:00] WIA_working> So it will not be an attack on your next turn then?
[11:03] EMP_CFC> you wil need to remind me of how many teams it will have to pass though
[11:03] WIA_working> Lessee... it goes from us to you from memory.
[11:03] EMP_CFC> ah, if you are going to play it right now, no then
[11:04] WIA_working> Hang on a tick...
[11:04] EMP_CFC> yes
[11:04] WIA_working> It goes GCA - CGN - POLY - CFC - GWT
[11:04] EMP_CFC> yes, so we will attack NEXt turn
[11:05] WIA_working> CGN has it now.
[11:05] WIA_working> So it will come to you hopefully within a couple of days
[11:05] EMP_CFC> o wait then
[11:05] WIA_working> So you will attack not this turn (780AD I think) but NEXT?
[11:06] EMP_CFC> erm, what woul;d be best for apo
[11:27] WIA_working> I'd need to get back to you on that, but we should have some time for discussion on it before the turn gets to us - mongoose was suffering from that Hurricane in FL, I think
[11:28] WIA_working> Sorry - I mean miccofl (of CGN)
[11:28] EMP_CFC> I thouhgt he was no longer President
[11:39] EMP_CFC> well I will get back to you all
[11:39] EMP_CFC> farwell
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It seems CFC has made up their minds..
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[16:17:42] Aidun Hi
[16:18:31] EMP_CFC hey
[16:18:34] EMP_CFC I got some news
[16:18:42] EMP_CFC we know where we will attack
[16:30:23] EMP_CFC We should probably hit CGA's Pune and the cut the road GWT uses to get those wines. Then we can attack that GWT wine city. But we need to knock out GCA's Pune to open up neutral territory. If we take the city, we should probably raze it.
[16:30:28] EMP_CFC there we go
[16:33:08] EMP_CFC that you think?
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[17:23:08] EMP_CFC anyone?
[17:23:19] BigFree hi there
[17:23:23] EMP_CFC hey
[17:23:28] EMP_CFC I got a plan down for the invasion
[17:23:33] BigFree cool
[17:23:42] BigFree if only the turn would move along now
[17:23:45] EMP_CFC We should probably hit CGA's Pune and the cut the road GWT uses to get those wines. Then we can attack that GWT wine city. But we need to knock out GCA's Pune to open up neutral territory. If we take the city, we should probably raze it.
[17:25:16] BigFree I think that's a good plan. I know a few of my team mates think it's better to go after the heart of GWT but I'm not as sure as they are. Ultimately, it's for you guys to decide. Besides, GAC is never a "bad" target!
[17:25:33] BigFree *GCA
[17:26:34] EMP_CFC well, I think we will invade next turn
[17:26:41] EMP_CFC but not 100% sure
[17:27:43] BigFree ok, I will relay that information. If it's possible that we would like for you to delay a turn or two can you guys do that?
[17:28:33] EMP_CFC I think I can puswade my team too, but I need exact num,bers
[17:29:55] BigFree cool
[17:30:16] BigFree too bad that we have time to do that
[17:31:10] EMP_CFC well how much timne do you think yo need
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[17:31:33] BigFree I don't know yet
[17:31:42] BigFree we were going to sail up North a bit further
[17:32:03] BigFree I figure we could make a ty for a landing in about 4 turns
[17:32:27] EMP_CFC so you want to invade at the same time?
[17:32:36] BigFree Yes, or just one turn after
[17:32:48] EMP_CFC ok so you guys will go first
[17:32:49] EMP_CFC ?
[17:32:50] Trip ideally you guys land before us
[17:32:54] BigFree get them moving in one direction, then force them in another
[17:32:54] Trip no
[17:33:00] Trip we may not even be able to land at all
[17:33:04] Trip because they have so many units
[17:33:07] Trip they could block off every single tile
[17:33:13] Trip which is why you guys should land first
[17:33:17] BigFree yep
[17:33:22] Trip that would help open up spots for us to land as well
[17:33:33] Trip landing closer to GWT's core is more likely to do damage to them as well as draw them away so that WE can land
[17:33:37] Trip doing even more damage
[17:34:13] BigFree I disagree with that, but anyways....
[17:34:25] EMP_CFC r free what is yuor position in apo's goverment
[17:34:25] Trip disagree with what? :P
[17:34:28] BigFree I think GWT is commited to preserving GCA
[17:34:42] BigFree I will be a Consul in a day or two
[17:34:45] Trip which do you think is more important to GWT, a few GCA cities or Leo's in a size 12 city of their own?
[17:34:54] Trip in other words, he speaks for no one but himself
[17:35:05] EMP_CFC and trip what do you do
[17:35:13] Trip I post a lot
[17:35:29] EMP_CFC lol, but no goverment spot?
[17:35:38] Trip nope
[17:35:38] BigFree I think that there will be less than a 1% chance that a Leo's strike will be successful
[17:35:40] Trip too busy
[17:35:54] Trip THAT depends on how much of the GWT army is over by us
[17:36:10] BigFree Trip, they do not know where we are now
[17:36:16] Trip they know we're nearby
[17:36:22] BigFree They could assume we've moved South
[17:36:26] Trip they aren't going to leave all of the sudden
[17:36:31] BigFree no, they wont
[17:36:36] Trip yeah, so they can protect 3 precious isolated GCA cities instead of their FP :P
[17:36:54] BigFree but, they could have enough to cover all tiles AND enouh to take on 10 Riders on the other side
[17:37:06] EMP_CFC I don't mean to be rude, but I need an offical announcment from APO on what you think will be best, or we will have to do it ourselves, and you don't want me leading an attack
[17:37:09] Trip attacking GCA won't do any real damage anyways
[17:37:13] BigFree HAHA
[17:37:25] Trip Emp: problem is that we have, oh, -2 active officials
[17:37:33] BigFree I will have something "offcial" as far as Apolyton's position in 4 days
[17:37:49] BigFree I will condust an offcial poll
[17:37:59] EMP_CFC ok good, thank you
[17:38:01] BigFree something the current leadership is not doing
[17:38:21] Trip you're not allowed to badtalk the current regime
[17:38:24] BigFree Most of them are withou the time needed
[17:38:25] EMP_CFC but the plan where we are attacking in GCA looks good right?
[17:38:26] Trip not in front of strangers :P
[17:38:39] Trip Emp: to be honest, most people at Apolyton disagree with that move
[17:38:40] BigFree For me, it does
[17:38:45] Trip BF is in the minority
[17:38:49] EMP_CFC no badtalk? you meana dictorship
[17:38:50] Trip which he'll admit to if he's honest
[17:38:56] BigFree HAHA
[17:39:06] BigFree Yeah, some of my ideas fall in the minority
[17:39:09] EMP_CFC well we are attacvking GCA no matter what
[17:39:11] EMP_CFC
[17:39:16] Trip then why do you care what we think?
[17:39:17] BigFree then again, mst of my teamamtes are conservative
[17:39:40] EMP_CFC I want to know how we can cooperatie with APo and qwhen we should attack
[17:39:44] Trip bah
[17:39:52] Trip we should have let GCA wipe you out with their 5 units :P
[17:40:07] BigFree The main reason I want a GCA attack is that I feel it will draw as many GWt troops to GCA as would a direct assault on GWT
[17:40:20] EMP_CFC 5 units? I never knew it was that close
[17:40:29] Trip yeah
[17:40:32] Trip until we launched our attack with 50
[17:40:34] EMP_CFC I was not around back during the first GCA war
[17:40:44] Trip which was my plan :P
[17:40:52] Trip if you want to draw GWT forces away...
[17:40:58] Trip then you should land somewhere protected
[17:41:01] Trip that's important to them
[17:41:11] Trip they can basically ignore most of GCA because all of that can be easily rebuilt
[17:41:16] BigFree That's my point Trip...GCA IS important to GWT
[17:41:21] Trip not as important as Leo's
[17:41:24] Trip or Sistine
[17:41:27] Trip and the cities they're in
[17:41:32] Trip find a mountain
[17:41:36] Trip land 12 units on it
[17:41:43] BigFree No, ofcourse not, but I thinkthey will designat just as many trops to defend them
[17:41:45] Trip even if you don't move from there they'll cost GWT MANY units
[17:41:52] Trip either they'll attack and die
[17:41:55] Trip or they'll be tied up
[17:42:03] Trip even just SITTING near Leo's will do more than attacking GCA will
[17:42:14] Trip there's a couple mountains nearby
[17:42:18] Trip fortify on there
[17:42:20] EMP_CFC slow down trip, too fast
[17:42:21] EMP_CFC
[17:42:22] Trip Muskets have defense of 10
[17:42:25] Trip Riders of 8
[17:42:29] BigFree If they can find a spot...remeber our landing?
[17:42:32] Trip it will cost GWT at least 20 units to take them down
[17:42:47] Trip BF: GWT has to sacrifice defense SOMEWHERE
[17:43:01] Trip if GWT knows CFC is also in the vacinity...
[17:43:10] Trip setting up a unit wall on both east and west will use up more than they have
[17:43:10] BigFree If CFC tries to land up near GWT, and they can't, then what?
[17:43:12] Trip there WILL be gaps
[17:43:15] BigFree the cover is blown
[17:43:32] Trip and GWT will have to cover both coasts with many units
[17:43:34] BigFree It is possible there will be gaps
[17:43:44] Trip it is IMPOSSIBLE that there WON'T be
[17:43:48] BigFree HAHA
[17:43:58] Trip GWT would need 150+ units all along the coast to block everything
[17:44:06] BigFree Yes, but as Important as Leo's is why wouldn; they protect that area?
[17:44:20] Trip what is our goal?
[17:44:24] Trip what is the goal of this alliance?
[17:44:28] BigFree divert GWT trooops
[17:44:28] Trip what are we trying to achieve?
[17:44:57] BigFree let APO and CFC land will dividing GWET troops
[17:44:59] Trip if the goal is to divert GWT then landing somewhere that is VITALLY important to them will draw more forces than somewhere that isn't as important
[17:45:09] Trip landing near GCA is LESS important than landing near Leo's
[17:45:14] Trip GWT can gift GCA a city to keep them alive
[17:45:17] EMP_CFC ahh, slow down and one question at a time
[17:45:18] Trip GCA's cities are expendible
[17:45:20] Trip Leo's is not
[17:45:27] EMP_CFC CFC will attack GCA, the people want it
[17:45:36] EMP_CFC no matter what you say we will
[17:45:39] Trip then you're hurting both of us
[17:45:41] BigFree ok, thats settled then
[17:45:46] EMP_CFC but I want some info on when we attack GCA
[17:45:50] BigFree Trip, thats not true
[17:45:50] Trip you lessen both your chances of success and our own
[17:45:56] BigFree It's just your opinon
[17:45:57] EMP_CFC for yuor benifit
[17:46:09] BigFree Thanks Enp
[17:46:19] EMP_CFC for what?
[17:46:28] BigFree For your support of APO
[17:46:35] Trip after we saved their hides :P
[17:46:44] BigFree It a team effort form here on out
[17:47:10] EMP_CFC I'm sorry if I offended you, I just must do what the polls say
[17:47:12] BigFree Not CFC. Not APO. But, CFC+APO
[17:47:35] Trip how many people voted in that poll anyways?
[17:48:12] EMP_CFC bout 10 people, about what we uswally get
[17:49:03] BigFree cool
[17:50:07] BigFree If the people of CFC have decided to go after GCA then so be it. We need to cordinate to make that landing as fruitful as possible.
[17:50:17] EMP_CFC yes that is what I want
[17:50:35] BigFree I willgetbackto you on definate plans in 4 days time
[17:50:47] BigFree I need 3 days for a poll
[17:51:27] EMP_CFC thank you
[17:51:36] BigFree your welcome
[17:51:48] BigFree the poll for the election Im in closes in 2 hours
[17:51:57] BigFree I will get things started then
[17:52:12] EMP_CFC good, well congratolations on your poistion
[17:52:22] BigFree Our teams current leadership was really just to busy with real life
[17:52:29] Trip we will probably want to land within 5 turns time
[17:52:33] BigFree I have more time available
[17:52:38] EMP_CFC it is understandable, I just don't want to make a mistake though
[17:52:44] BigFree yeah, me too.
[17:52:52] BigFree i appreciate your comming here to talk
[17:53:04] EMP_CFC no problem, after all it is my job
[17:53:07] BigFree It can be a hassle to try to keep up good comms
[17:53:19] EMP_CFC yep
[17:53:20] EMP_CFC now would one of you be so kind as to send me a log of this
[17:53:31] BigFree I would be happy to
[17:53:40] Trip for the time being
[17:53:43] EMP_CFC thank you, emperornapoloen@netscape.net
[17:53:48] BigFree
[17:53:49] Trip just stay away from any possible GWT or GCA Galleys
[17:53:54] Trip they can see up to 3 tiles away from coast
[17:53:56] BigFree Yeah
[17:53:59] BigFree thats th biggie
[17:53:59] Trip so stay at least 4 tiles away from ANY coast tiles
[17:54:00] EMP_CFC if we see one I will be here
[17:54:30] BigFree I still think something fishy went down before, but oh well.
[17:54:40] EMP_CFC before?
[17:54:50] BigFree fishy=GWT seeing our landing forces the turn prior
[17:55:07] EMP_CFC you mean cheating, maybe, but we can not prove it
[17:55:12] BigFree exactly
[17:55:25] BigFree but it could have been only just one meber
[17:55:30] BigFree not the whole team
[17:55:33] EMP_CFC yes, very possable
[17:55:34] BigFree i would not believe that
[17:55:46] BigFree GWt is an honorable team on the whole
[17:55:52] EMP_CFC yea, it would be to hard to cover it up
[17:55:57] BigFree I feel the same about us and +CFC
[17:56:11] BigFree Now, GCA on the otherhand.......
[17:56:23] EMP_CFC
[17:56:42] BigFree I thinkg GWT thinks th same about GCA now
[17:56:54] BigFree But, after they got in bed with them, its hard to kick them out!
[17:57:17] EMP_CFC yes, I don't think GWT knew what they were getting into
[17:57:30] BigFree exactly
[17:57:59] EMP_CFC well, it has been nice talking with you all
[17:58:12] BigFree You know, Lucky told us he has a way to vies the random nuber from the Random Number Generator in the game while the game is loaded and playing?
[17:58:19] BigFree *view
[17:58:36] Trip depending on where we land...
[17:58:36] BigFree Of course he said he "never" used it in our game
[17:58:42] Trip where and when
[17:58:50] Trip we may want you to land 2-3 turns ahead of us
[17:58:59] EMP_CFC yes yea
[18:00:23] BigFree anything else for now?
[18:00:37] EMP_CFC now do any of you guys have MSN, ICQ, Y!, or AIM?
[18:00:48] BigFree Yahoo
[18:00:50] EMP_CFC I want for you guys to be able to get to me
[18:00:57] BigFree bigfree123
[18:01:02] EMP_CFC emperornapoleon_cfc
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My chat with CFC:
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[18:36] [Aidun] The latest update I can find is that of last monday
[18:36] [EMP_CFC] o ok
[18:36] [Aidun] Ypu probably already know that one
[18:36] [EMP_CFC] yes I do
[18:36] [Aidun] And in case not, Trip can tell you much more in depth
[18:36] [EMP_CFC] ok
[18:37] -EMP_CFC- hello
[18:38] [Trip] ?
[18:39] [EMP_CFC] hey, did you see the news on the Fanatican fleet
[18:40] [Trip] yes :P
[18:40] [Trip] for the best, probably
[18:40] [EMP_CFC] yes, it wil l stall the attack for a few turns
[18:40] [Trip] my guess is that it will end up being stalled indefinitely
[18:41] [EMP_CFC] why is that
[18:41] [Aidun] I'm going to sleep now if you don't mind 2:43 AM
[18:41] [EMP_CFC] see you later
[18:42] [Trip] because everywhere you go will be blocked
[18:42] [EMP_CFC] so we will ahve to wait for mariens?
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[18:44] [Trip] or try to survive
[18:44] [Trip] until then
[18:44] [Trip] many people at Apolyton expect GWT to do a full-scale invasion somewhere in CFC lands eventually
[18:44] [Trip] 50+ Ansar
[18:45] [EMP_CFC] yes, we are the main target since we are a lot weeker
[18:45] [EMP_CFC] now, do they have the techs to cross the ocean?
[18:45] [Trip] they will very soon
[18:45] [Trip] they will have the necessary techs in about 10 turns
[18:46] [EMP_CFC] o darn, then should we start to block our lands?
[18:46] [EMP_CFC] or try to stop then en rout with ships?
[18:46] [Trip] yes
[18:46] [Trip] make a wall
[18:46] [Trip] that's your only hope
[18:46] [Trip] GWT has many many boats
[18:46] [Trip] the only chance you guys have is to have your own boats watching
[18:46] [Trip] and then to make a wall
[18:46] [Trip] send your landing force back hom
[18:46] [Trip] I'm going to recommend the same for Apolyton
[18:47] [Trip] in 10 turns GWT could be sailing with 50+ Ansar on board
[18:47] [Trip] if you land those units then you will die
[18:47] [EMP_CFC] ok, now if we get the tech lead soon, can we blockade their continant, once we get better ships, or no?
[18:47] [Trip] we first have to survive
[18:48] [Trip] you guys need to start researching again
[18:48] [EMP_CFC] ok, I'm science minister so I can get that done
[18:49] [Trip] what do you have more of, Libraries or Markets?
[18:49] [Trip] if you have more Markets, then it'd be best if you continued funded our research
[18:49] [Trip] since we have many Libraries built already
[18:50] [EMP_CFC] I do not know, but I can find out
[18:50] [Trip] GWT is very strong economically
[18:50] [Trip] they will pass us unless you either A) start researching or B) gift us money so we can research faster
[18:51] [EMP_CFC] I would like to see both of us reasrch, but we have not for so long
[18:52] [Trip] the problem is that if you have many Markets but no Libraries you'll be wasting money
[18:52] [Trip] because we can research with -100 GPT
[18:52] [Trip] if you can cover that amount then we can research techs in 4 turns
[18:52] [Trip] which will be very valuable
[18:52] [Trip] in both of us STAYING ALIVE now
[18:53] [Trip] we need Cavalry, we need RRs, we need Factories
[18:53] [Trip] I understand you want to be helping research but we can't cut corners here
[18:53] [Trip] if we don't do things right we'll LOSE
[18:53] [Trip] we have to maximize efficiency in any way we can
[18:53] [Trip] and the fact is that if you have more Markets than Libraries, if you're researching our alliance will be losing money every turn you do so
[18:54] [Trip] it would be the same if it were switched
[18:54] [Trip] if you had all the Libraries and we had the Markets
[18:54] [Trip] it would be foolish for us to do our own research if we could cover your costs
[18:54] [Trip] do you understand?
[18:54] [Trip] I'm not trying to tell you what to do
[18:54] [Trip] that's just how it is
[18:54] [Trip] GWT is too good
[18:54] [Trip] we can't be careless
[18:54] [EMP_CFC] I understand
[18:55] [EMP_CFC] I am posting this right no
[18:55] [EMP_CFC] w
[18:57] [Trip] okay, good
[18:57] [Trip] we both have to play very well and think carefully about every move we make
[18:57] [Trip] GWT has Leo's
[18:57] [Trip] we basically have no shot at damaging them any more
[18:57] [Trip] we need every unit we can get to block the coasts
[18:57] [Trip] every ship we can to watch for GWT coming
[18:57] [EMP_CFC] will poly be blocking thier land?
[18:57] [Trip] yes
[18:57] [EMP_CFC] ok
[18:57] [Trip] we need to put research to the max and get to the Industrial Age
[18:58] [Trip] if we're not careful GWT will pass us in techs
[18:58] [Trip] we need to make use of every single gold coin our alliance has now
[18:58] [Trip] if we can continue researching and developing economically...
[18:58] [Trip] a Marine invasion WILL be a very good possibility
[18:59] [Trip] but only if we can survive to that point
[18:59] [Trip] and be ahead in techs
[18:59] [EMP_CFC] wow, but we got a big gap, about 60 turns untill we get there
[18:59] [Trip] yes
[18:59] [Trip] there's not really much we can do though
[18:59] [Trip] GWT has too many units and is watching
[18:59] [Trip] even with Cavalry they could stop us now
[18:59] [Trip] we need Marines, Tanks, Bombers and a real navy
[18:59] [Trip] with that we don't have to worry about GWT's unit wall or their Ansar
[19:00] [Trip] Cavalry are useless against Infantry and Artillery
[19:00] [Trip] their massive army will be obsolete and costing them a fortune
[19:00] [EMP_CFC] but if they go up in tech, they can easaly upgrade
[19:00] [Trip] they can only upgrade Ansar to Cavalry
[19:00] [EMP_CFC] o ok
[19:01] [Trip] Cavalry don't upgrade to Tanks
[19:01] [Trip] once we get Infantry we can stop their Ansar and Cavalry
[19:01] [EMP_CFC] and what upgrades to marins
[19:01] [Trip] nothing
[19:01] [Trip] they have to be built from scratch
[19:01] [Trip] which is why if we can get the edge in technology and industry with gold and shields
[19:01] [Trip] we can beat them later
[19:01] [Trip] but right now they have the advantage
[19:01] [Trip] and if we're careless they'll land and destroy us both
[19:02] [EMP_CFC] ok I see this
[19:02] [Trip] so we play defensive for a while
[19:02] [Trip] researching, building RRs and Factories
[19:03] [Trip] when the time comes we build a force of Marines, Tanks, Bombers, Infantry, etc.
[19:03] [Trip] and then we destroy them when we have the edge again
[19:04] [EMP_CFC] ok I understand
[19:05] [Trip] good
[19:05] [Trip] you guys should set up a few cities to build more boats to watch for GWT coming
[19:05] [Trip] build lots of Workers and a few more Settlers
[19:05] [Trip] right now it's important to have units to block the coast with
[19:05] [EMP_CFC] now what about CGN? do they do the same?
[19:05] [Trip] yes
[19:06] [Trip] take EVERY unit away from the coast facing GWT and put them there
[19:06] [Trip] block every tile that you can
[19:06] [EMP_CFC] I will tell my team that, and I will get back to you
[19:06] [EMP_CFC] we probay will, if your guys are pulling out
[19:07] [Trip] okay
[19:07] [Trip] I am arguing for it
[19:07] [Trip] and most people are against trying to land now
[19:07] [Trip] CFC should not land either
[19:07] [Trip] you guys don't have that many Riders or Muskets
[19:07] [Trip] if you lose them you'll be in even worse shape than us
[19:07] [Trip] especially since you're so close to GWT
[19:07] [Trip] where we first met GWT
[19:07] [EMP_CFC] ok
[19:12] [EMP_CFC] can you sned me a log of this?
[19:12] [Trip] sure
[19:13] [EMP_CFC] emperornapoloen@netscape.net
[19:14] [Trip] the best place to put your 1-move units is on the coast north of Kuangbiao Haian
[19:14] [Trip] as many tiles as you can cover
[19:14] [Trip] MIs, Catapults, Spears, Pikes, whatever
[19:14] [Trip] just not Workers or Settlers
[19:15] [EMP_CFC]
[19:17] [Trip] hehe |
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Hunt Valley
Apr 2002
time: 00:34
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Relatively short chat with Emperor from CFC.
Topics included my Caravel sentry net plan, getting CFC to send us 90 GPT for research and getting a RoP so our Workers could help build roads for them to make the continent more secure and so our military units can help block the coast.
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[22:24] *Trip* have you seen the recent posts at the Embassy forum?
[22:25] *EMP* the ones Mr free showed me
[22:26] *Trip* we have a great number of Libaries built
[22:26] *Trip* so our overall research ability is much greater than CFC
[22:27] *Trip* it's much more efficient for CFC to send Apolyton the same money that could be spent on research
[22:27] *EMP* so the gold for tech deal will surpass any hope of us reserching?
[22:27] *EMP* o
[22:27] *EMP* ok
[22:27] *Trip* because, say, 90 GPT CFC spends researching will give us 120 instead
[22:27] *Trip* because we have so many Libraries
[22:27] *Trip* same amount of gold, more done with it
[22:27] *Trip* once you guys get some Libraries up later then we can reconsider the situation
[22:27] *Trip* but for now we just need to get the techs done
[22:27] *EMP* I hope we do, as science minister
[22:28] *Trip* I know it's disappointing not doing any research
[22:28] *Trip* but GWT has an immense economy
[22:28] *Trip* now that they have no war weariness
[22:28] *Trip* they will be taking only 4 turns per tech for the rest of the game probably
[22:28] *Trip* if we don't do the best we can to overcome that then we'll be in big trouble
[22:29] *Trip* another thing
[22:29] *Trip* I postead a plan for setting up boats to watch for GWT in the future
[22:30] *Trip* in total it will require 22 boats, with more being desirable
[22:30] *Trip* right now Apolyton has 12 Caravels and more are being built
[22:30] *Trip* how many does CFC have, 4?
[22:30] *Trip* according to my plan we need a total of 12 boats to the west of our continent watching GWT and 10 to the east
[22:30] *EMP* I think a alot
[22:30] *Trip* I will post the images at the Embassy forum soon
[22:30] *EMP* maybe more than ten
[22:30] *Trip* ten boats?
[22:30] *EMP* I can give you a screenie of our ships
[22:31] *Trip* no, I just want to know exactly how many you have
[22:31] *Trip* I didn't think you had that many
[22:31] *EMP* let em look
[22:31] *Trip* okay
[22:31] *EMP* one white bar under a ship means another ship right?
[22:32] *Trip* no
[22:32] *EMP* IT's been a long tie since I played civ3
[22:32] *EMP* *time
[22:32] *Trip* it can mean land units on board
[22:32] *Trip* go to the F3 screen
[22:32] *Trip* it will list how many units of each type you have
[22:32] *EMP* I can't opean a save right now I am using a screen
[22:32] *EMP* ok wait I think 4
[22:32] *EMP* fairly sure
[22:32] *Trip* hmm, okay
[22:33] *Trip* that's what I thought
[22:33] *Trip* in any case
[22:33] *Trip* we will need a total of 22
[22:33] *EMP* we can build more if you like
[22:33] *Trip* we have 12 now and are building more
[22:33] *Trip* that is probably not necessary
[22:33] *Trip* what we need for you guys to do is concentrate on your economy
[22:33] *Trip* Markets, eventually Libraries
[22:33] *Trip* Workers, etc.
[22:33] *EMP* so money for our libraries and you guys?
[22:34] *Trip* what do you mean?
[22:34] *Trip* money for your libraries?
[22:34] *EMP* to build them I mean
[22:34] *EMP* and support them
[22:34] *Trip* ohhh
[22:35] *EMP* later for techs, if we ever get there
[22:35] *Trip* what we need right now mostly is money for research right NOW
[22:35] *Trip* we will soon be in our Golden Age
[22:35] *Trip* 20 or 25 turns
[22:35] *Trip* we want to be able to get to the Industrial Era by then
[22:35] *Trip* right now we are doing research at -120 GPT
[22:35] *Trip* how much gold do you have right now?
[22:35] *Trip* if you have a reserve from the past turns it would be very important for both of us
[22:35] *Trip* as we are burning off all of the gold we have
[22:36] *Trip* and not saving anything
[22:36] *EMP* 753
[22:36] *Trip* hehe
[22:36] *Trip* we have about 200
[22:36] *Trip* and running -120 GPT
[22:36] *Trip* as I said
[22:37] *EMP*
[22:37] *EMP* now we both know that we wil not be able to block all of our land, do we have a plan incase they land?
[22:37] *Trip* well
[22:37] *Trip* the plan is to have the boats up and watching
[22:37] *Trip* with 22 boats in the correct positions we should see them at least 4 turns before they arrive
[22:37] *Trip* we will obviously have backups in case they sink the ones we have watching
[22:37] *Trip* so we should have plenty of time to get ready
[22:38] *Trip* Apolyton is going for Military Tradition and Cavalry
[22:38] *EMP* eya but we will not
[22:38] *Trip* since we do not have 3-move Riders
[22:38] *EMP* and they know we are weaker, they wil go for us, not yuo
[22:38] *Trip* we expect that
[22:38] *Trip* we are planning on sending Workers over to your lands to help construct roads
[22:38] *Trip* as well as units to help block tiles
[22:38] *Trip* do you know if we have a Right-of-Passage agreement?
[22:38] *Trip* if not, you should send one to us us ASAP
[22:38] *Trip* or us to you
[22:38] *Trip* whoever plays next
[22:39] *EMP* not yet, I will try to get that done ASAP
[22:39] *Trip* so we can use your roads and help build more to make the continent more secure
[22:39] *Trip* also
[22:39] *EMP* I never play the save
[22:39] *Trip* once our Knights land we will send some over most likely
[22:39] *Trip* and certainly some Cavalry later on
[22:39] *Trip* but the key is getting the boats in position
[22:39] *Trip* you should get your Riders home and station them somewhere near the center of your land
[22:39] *Trip* somewhat northwards, since it's likely they'll land up north instead of south
[22:40] *Trip* as I said, I will post the images where the boats should be soon, in the next few days
[22:40] *EMP* ok
[22:40] *Trip* so we can get all boats to their spots and watching
[22:40] *Trip* we are going to send over some boats from our main fleet to watch GWT's coast near you guys
[22:40] *Trip* since as you said it's probable that they'll try to attack you instead
[22:41] *EMP* very likely
[22:41] *Trip* we will probably need about 90 GPT in order to keep up our research rate
[22:41] *Trip* hopefully you guys can provide that so that we don't fall behind GWT
[22:41] *EMP* I will announce that too
[22:42] *Trip* thank you
[22:42] *Trip* if you can convince people to rally behind this plan that would be great
[22:42] *Trip* I'm really not trying to be greedy and get your guys' money for Apolyton
[22:42] *Trip* we really are researching and burning through ALL of our gold
[22:42] *Trip* we'll have nothing for rushing or upgrades
[22:42] *EMP* ok
[22:43] *EMP* I need a better was to talk to you, do you have AIM, MSN, Y!, or ICQ?
[22:43] *Trip* yes
[22:43] *Trip* all of them
[22:43] *Trip* AIM: NeroTrip
[22:43] *EMP*
[22:43] *Trip* MSN: TripGoT@hotmail.com
[22:43] *Trip* Yahoo: NeroTrip
[22:43] *Trip* ICQ: I fergit :P
[22:44] *Trip* once we get to the Industrial Era things will really start to heat up
[22:44] *Trip* Railroads, factories
[22:44] *Trip* etc.
[22:44] *EMP* yepo
[22:45] *EMP* anything else?
[22:45] *Trip* hmmm
[22:45] *Trip* let me list things:
[22:45] *Trip* we need about 90 GPT to keep current research pace (will look up exact #s later)
[22:46] *Trip* Caravel sentry net info (will post screenshots at forum in the next few days)
[22:46] *Trip* Right-of-Passage Agreement
[22:46] *Trip* possible other military cooperation
[22:46] *Trip* and yes
[22:46] *Trip* using some of your gold to help speed up things like Granaries and Markets is a good idea
[22:47] *Trip* you probably won't need to upgrade much in the near future
[22:47] *Trip* you don't need Cavalry like we do
[22:47] *Trip* since Riders move just as fast
[22:47] *Trip* and we don't really want to FIGHT them
[22:47] *Trip* just stop them from landing
[22:47] *EMP* yea, a war on ladn would be devistating
[22:47] *Trip* I think that's about it for now
[22:48] *Trip* if I have anything else I will contact you in here or in MSN
[22:48] *Trip* or post something on the forum
[22:48] *EMP* ok
[22:48] *EMP* I'm posting this right now
[22:48] *Trip* great
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