14-03-2004 06:35									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia so, wait a second, lemme get this straight. after 15 pages of saying its al qaeda we find out that its not? shocking...

Apparently - but let's not jump to conclusions...

quote: Originally posted by Dinodork And?

Though also apparently some people need things spelled out to them...

	14-03-2004 06:35									#32
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I thought this was going to say there was another attack today.

	14-03-2004 06:36									#33
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Not today...

	14-03-2004 06:38									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Trolling Idiot Though also apparently some people need things spelled out to them...

You act as if France and Germany have somesort of holy writ upon them preventing attacks upon them because the didn't join in the Iraq campaign.

	14-03-2004 06:40									#35
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quote: Apparently - but let's not jump to conclusions..

quote: I thought this was going to say there was another attack today.

there was. fez suckerd BAMmed me from behind, and then continued while I was down.

	14-03-2004 06:40									#36
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Nice quotes

	14-03-2004 06:43									#37
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc You act as if France and Germany have somesort of holy writ upon them preventing attacks upon them because the didn't join in the Iraq campaign.

Wasn´t France menaced just by forbidding the chador at school?

	14-03-2004 07:00									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor OTOH, I find it really outrageous that the poltiical elites only thought about raking the catastrophe for their profit. I don't know if politicians have a good reputation in Spain, but their behaviour with this massacre will definitely not help

Indeed. Perhaps they did that to justify the hard policy towards ETA of the last few year?

	14-03-2004 08:03									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia so then infact, the government politcized the event, planted the seed in the minds of the people that it was ETA, so they could get more votes come sunday.

That's true. I'm very sad.

	14-03-2004 08:10									#40
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA On Thursday morning everyone thought that it was ETA. Even the head of the autonomous government said that they would not achieve anything by that way.

No, that's no true.

The Spain government (Popular Party) was the first who said that ETA had been the author.

I was watching the news in my house since the first moment.

	14-03-2004 08:13									#41
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA So. What do you think about the ilegitimate demonstrations? They say that they were "espontaneous" demonstrations. But look at this page preparing that "espontaneous" demonstration... http://www.culturacontralaguerra.org/

LIER!!!

This convocation was for the Friday, no Saturday... !!!



Saturday's convocation was espontaneous by sending anonimus SMS.


This is that SMS text (in Spanish):

"żAznar de rositas? żle llaman jornadas de reflexión y Urdaci trabaja? Hoy 13-M a las 18 horas sede PP C/Génova 13. Sin partidos. Silencio. Por la verdad. ˇPásalo!".

	14-03-2004 08:19									#42
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Lazy uninformed dumbass American here, so please excuse me if I don't know enough about this, or are talking out of my ass...

Didn't the ETA deny involvement? Is there anything that actually proves they were or weren't involved?

It's an awful tragedy, and it just goes to show how ineffective Bush's policies have been. 2 years into the war on freedom, and 200 citizens can die in a single terror attack in an industrialized nation. And it was from the terror organization that we supposedly broke.

Then the Spanish government leaders go on to say that ETA did it at first. Spain guys, do they derive political advantage from saying that? Was there any proof to back that up then?

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Another guy mentioned in another thread that cell phones were ringing on the dead bodies, because their families were calling them to see if they were okay. Is this true? That's just creepy.

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Enough politicizing though. to Spain, and I will keep Madrid in my thoughts.

	14-03-2004 08:25									#43
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Was there any proof to back that up then?

quote: On February 29, police intercepted a Madrid-bound van packed with more than 1,100 pounds of explosives, and blamed the Basque separatist group ETA. On Christmas eve, police thwarted an attempted bombing at Chamartin, another Madrid rail station, and arrested two suspected ETA members. Police have been on high alert for Basque separatist violence ahead of general elections on Sunday, in which regional tensions and how to fight ETA have been key themes

	14-03-2004 08:29									#44
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You are looking at it the wrong way mrmitchell

Imagine how many MORE acts would have occurred by now if USA hadn't have gone after these morons.

I think you expect a perfect world where these attacks no longer ever occur.

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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Lazy uninformed dumbass American here, so please excuse me if I don't know enough about this, or are talking out of my ass... Didn't the ETA deny involvement?

Yes, they did it the Friday in a comunication to this newspaper--->www.gara.net. You can see it in English too. --->http://www.gara.net/azkenak/orriak/art74502.php


But the goverment said That it didn't had relevance.

quote: Is there anything that actually proves they were or weren't involved?

No, nothing involves them for certain: another kind of Explosives, a very important logistic Operation and cordination...

quote: It's an awful tragedy, and it just goes to show how ineffective Bush's policies have been. 2 years into the war on freedom, and 200 citizens can die in a single terror attack in an industrialized nation. And it was from the terror organization that we supposedly broke. Then the Spanish government leaders go on to say that ETA did it at first. Spain guys, do they derive political advantage from saying that? Was there any proof to back that up then?

Yes, because an AlQaeda terrorism's act would substract a lot of votes to Popular Party. The Popular Party was the only one party who wants to send troops to Irak.

quote: --- Another guy mentioned in another thread that cell phones were ringing on the dead bodies, because their families were calling them to see if they were okay. Is this true? That's just creepy.

Thats true. Horrible.

quote: --- Enough politicizing though. to Spain, and I will keep Madrid in my thoughts.

Thanks.

	14-03-2004 08:40									#46
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I want to say that ETA has been killed more than 8 hundred of people in Spain since 1968.

Ten years ago, I went to two fathers's friends of mine funnerals at the school. They are Navy Officers, like my father.

I hate ETA...

...but, The actual Spain Goverment hasn't be honnest with this terrible tragedy.

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	14-03-2004 08:51									#47
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hey ted, image if we had never created this monsters in the first place by going into Vietnam, and Afghanistan.

	14-03-2004 08:52									#48
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maybe a backlash against PP for this, maybe the lose elction, or get vote of no confidence next week.

	14-03-2004 09:18									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia oh hes here, he keeps on sending me PMs.

Good to know I'm not the only one... too bad his mailbox is full.

Back on topic... what effect do you think the quick annoucement by the PP indicating ETA was to blame will have on tomorrows election? Will anybody actually change their vote either way (especially considering its looking less and less likely that this was done by ETA)?

	14-03-2004 09:37									#50
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quote: Good to know I'm not the only one... too bad his mailbox is full.

yea, i got that problem too. oh well. hey shi, whats wrong? did u also say it was ETA?

back on topic: i think that PP will win tomorrow anyways, but maybe vote of no confidence when the dirty laundry gets aired.

	14-03-2004 09:40									#51
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I'm wondering what the reaction is in Spain and also in Europe at large. Are the people blaming more the radical muslims or the US?

	14-03-2004 10:22									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker You are looking at it the wrong way mrmitchell Imagine how many MORE acts would have occurred by now if USA hadn't have gone after these morons. I think you expect a perfect world where these attacks no longer ever occur.

These morons are recruiting even more morons since the attack against the Taliban and against Iraq, not mentioning the again failed ME peace initiative.

	14-03-2004 10:49									#53
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quote: Imagine how many MORE acts would have occurred by now if USA hadn't have gone after these morons.

Ah, I see.

So if terror attacks increase after the War on Terror, then imagine how many we would've had if there hadn't been a war at all.

And if they decrease, then it's obviously the brilliance of Bush or the USA, and all those liberals were wrong.

	14-03-2004 10:51									#54
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You know, there are a lot more Spanish posters here than I thought. Maybe even more than the Finns.

Not that that's...a bad thing

	14-03-2004 12:01									#55
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I was wrong before: it was indeed the Al Qaeda who did this.

I think the Spanish public would severely punish the ruling party and demand an escalation of war on terror at same time.

Anyway, I'm not really surprised by this attack. France may be the next.

	14-03-2004 14:06									#56
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May-be ETA hire outside help. In some Mafic hit in America the local mob hire hitman from than other city control by the Mafic to kill than witness or another mob member to avoid certain problem, like the local police know what very local mafic hitman look like.

	14-03-2004 14:10									#57
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This could show Spain to not to support America in it illegal religious war on Islam. French have nothing to worry about the headscarf law as most threats from Iran is just hot air.

I wouldnot rule out than Hindic Terrorist Group either from doing this to blame Islam for it either.

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You should write scripts dude.

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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff This could show Spain to not to support America in it illegal religious war on Islam. French have nothing to worry about the headscarf law as most threats from Iran is just hot air. I wouldnot rule out than Hindic Terrorist Group either from doing this to blame Islam for it either.

Omg is this for real? Even Allahpundit isn't this funny!

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker You should write scripts dude.

Criminal investion arenot easy as there are so many angle to consider. On Long Island on halloween some cazy person was putting 100 % pure heron in oakmeal cookies than 20 small children die from eating then. The Mafric gave the local police than tip on who was doing it. It turn out to be than cazy millionair, first no heron addit would have done this as they would have use the drug on thenself, drug dealer would have cut the drug by missing it with bakeing soda an sell it to heron addit.