15-03-2004 01:51									#121
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i provided a breef explanation

	15-03-2004 01:53									#122
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At the Spanish Civ-site (hosted on Apolython) they keep track of the election results in the 'Atocha- parte II' thread.

allthough the language might be difficult to comprehend, the numbers won't

It seems the PSOE (socialists) are taking the lead over the Partido Popular (conservatives and currently forming the government) by 160 to 140 seats. (If I understand correctly, 176 seats gives a majority in parliament)

[edit] corrected number for majority seats. (to avoid confusion) [/edit]

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	15-03-2004 01:54									#123
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At 61% of votes

PSOE -> 165 seats
PP -> 144 seats

(Majority is 176)

	15-03-2004 01:55									#124
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gracias

	15-03-2004 01:56									#125
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you are very welcome

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quote: Originally posted by germanos It seems the PSOE (socialists) are taking the lead over the Partido Popular (conservatives and currently forming the government) by 160 to 140 seats. (If I understand correctly, 170 seats gives a majority in parliament)

A little seats more: 176

	15-03-2004 02:02									#127
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quote: Originally posted by WRW A little seats more: 176

Oh , good.

Now, could you please explain all the abbreviations of the varios 'other' parties, and possily tell us what kind of coalition is to be expected (assuming that neither of the two 'biggies' get an absolute majority)?

	15-03-2004 02:10									#128
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AVANTI POPOLO
PANTIERA ROSSA
EVIVA SOCIALISMO ET LA LIBERTA!

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	15-03-2004 02:18									#129
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from Reuters:

MADRID (Reuters) - Spain's opposition Socialist party claimed victory in Sunday's general elections after official results showed them leading the ruling Popular Party 43 to 37 percent with 77 percent of the vote counted.

	15-03-2004 02:21									#130
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It is done then.


MY WARM CONGRATULATIONS TO THE SOCIALISTS may they have more wisdom than their predecessors.
My congratulations to the people of Spain too.

	15-03-2004 02:25									#131
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ĄZP!

	15-03-2004 02:30									#132
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Do you feel comfortable having been successfully manipulated by al-Qaeda? Maybe they'll remember this the next time they want something.

	15-03-2004 02:32									#133
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This just in:

The following is a PM I recieved from Fez/Giancarlo

quote: My country has made a big mistake. The victory of the PSOE highlights this and I will be renouncing my passport in due course aswell as my dual citizenship. I feel that I have lost faith in my country and the people have handed the terrorists a victory. Tis a truly a sad day in the history of my country. After this whole issue, I will not be returning to apolyton as I am exhausted.

	15-03-2004 02:35									#134
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Since reading that PM, I guess ALL Spaniards at least have a double reason to celebrate today.

	15-03-2004 02:44									#135
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quote: Originally posted by joncha This just in: The following is a PM I recieved from Fez/Giancarlo

quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Since reading that PM, I guess ALL Spaniards at least have a double reason to celebrate today.

Yes.

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"Zapatero a sus Zapatos"...the people have spoken and quite well in theory, but let's wait and see how the PSOE handles not only the recent terror acts but also the economic situation, for instance...big questions lie there.

	15-03-2004 02:50									#137
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The socialist victory is good news, and I don't think the attack's role in it should be overblown. We should not forget all those who have lost in Aznar's eight years of agressively free-market economy. We shouldn't forget Aznar's complete ignorance of the people's wishes regarding the Iraq war. We should not forget those who found the PP's new candidate completely unappealing.

The attacks sure had an impact on the swing votes, but I don't expect them to have helped the PSOE any more than the PP (since one could look at the answer to the attacks both ways).

I think the PSOE's victory is much deeper than a mere surrender to terorrists, and I strongly expect the PSOE to be hardline against terrorism in its mandate.

I am very proud of the Spanish people to have chosen a reasonable social-democratic regime I hope they'll bring some sense in Spanish politics, and help the European construction in being about prosperity and jobs, rather than being the crap we are now experiencing

	15-03-2004 02:56									#138
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Evil dp

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quote: My country has made a big mistake. The victory of the PSOE highlights this and I will be renouncing my passport in due course aswell as my dual citizenship. I feel that I have lost faith in my country and the people have handed the terrorists a victory. Tis a truly a sad day in the history of my country. After this whole issue, I will not be returning to apolyton as I am exhausted.

NOOOOOOO!!!! What can I do now? I already drunk all Champagne I had!

	15-03-2004 03:26									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor The socialist victory is good news, and I don't think the attack's role in it should be overblown. We should not forget all those who have lost in Aznar's eight years of agressively free-market economy. We shouldn't forget Aznar's complete ignorance of the people's wishes regarding the Iraq war. We should not forget those who found the PP's new candidate completely unappealing. The attacks sure had an impact on the swing votes, but I don't expect them to have helped the PSOE any more than the PP (since one could look at the answer to the attacks both ways). I think the PSOE's victory is much deeper than a mere surrender to terorrists, and I strongly expect the PSOE to be hardline against terrorism in its mandate. I am very proud of the Spanish people to have chosen a reasonable social-democratic regime I hope they'll bring some sense in Spanish politics, and help the European construction in being about prosperity and jobs, rather than being the crap we are now experiencing

	15-03-2004 03:26									#142
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The defeat party against the wishes of the people by illegality supporting depot Bush. What they need to do is closed down the America bases in Spain, Withdraw they forces from Iraq, leave NATO like French did, sent all America Dipl personal home.

	15-03-2004 03:28									#143
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Well... AlQaeda has won the Spanish elections

I suppose they must be happy.

	15-03-2004 03:33									#144
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA Well... AlQaeda has won the Spanish elections I suppose they must be happy.

PSOE = al Qaeda? Right......

	15-03-2004 03:37									#145
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quote: Well... AlQaeda has won the Spanish elections I suppose they must be happy

Fairplay, Oliver, fairplay... even Zaplana has been elegant in the defeat

	15-03-2004 03:42									#146
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA Well... AlQaeda has won the Spanish elections I suppose they must be happy.

No.

Democracy and the Spanish people won.

You can dislike the result and wish it were otherwise, but no agent of the Spanish state will haul you out of your bed at 03.00 hrs and take you away for disagreeing with it.

Viva Espana.

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This is than first for the Arab terrorist group they carry off than major terror attack without the uselly electronic chatter that they have before just than attack. Three days before 9-11 there where alot of electron noise from the terror network even it tranlate in time would have meant nothing as code words where use. It said the "Match is setup" it would have meant than friend scocer game between two terrorist groups or than 9-11 operation.

	15-03-2004 03:47									#148
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA Well... AlQaeda has won the Spanish elections I suppose they must be happy.

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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom No. Democracy and the Spanish people won. You can dislike the result and wish it were otherwise, but no agent of the Spanish state will haul you out of your bed at 03.00 hrs and take you away for disagreeing with it. Viva Espańa.

Thanks.

	15-03-2004 04:16									#150
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quote: Originally posted by jasev Fairplay, Oliver, fairplay... even Zaplana has been elegant in the defeat

Of course. Provided that their oponents have not used fairplay he has given them a lesson.