25-03-2004 21:59									#31
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Drogue - play as a bard. In fact, solo it, Jamski style, as a bard.

Nah. I have an intense dislike of Bards: they suck. Although a Chaotic Neutral Jester or Skald could be fun.

	25-03-2004 22:01									#32
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd No offense, drouge, but you seem like a pretty boring roleplayer. Explore your evil, twisted, side.

What I mean by roleplaying is playing as if ythe PC were me. I'm not evil, therefore I can't roleplay as me an evil character. I could roleplay it, as in doing what they would do, but I'd rather try it this time as me.

Also, IMHO, there's nothing more interesting than Chaotic Neutral - unpredictable, gambles everything on the role of a die, all about having fun and they get to do good and evil quests, whatever takes their fancy. Evil is so cliched in BG

	25-03-2004 22:11									#33
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quote: Jamski, what did you think of my ninja idea? Basically, you'd be playing as a monk, but without the unarmed combat benefits of that class.

You mean a monk, but armed with flails and katanas?

Drogue - play as a Blade or Swashbuckler. I want to hear about the adventures of Drogue the Rogue

Thiefs are surely the most "tactical" class, and fighter/theif multiclass is a very nice deal. You never see the full glory of the theif in SoA or ToB unless you play as a PC thief. Who else is a decent backstabbing type?

Half-orc CN fighter/theif with 19 STR 18 DEX 19 CON and the rest as low as can be imagined. Nice fun backstabbing for huge damage with Celestial Fury or the Staff of the Ram

Tempted ?

-Jam

	25-03-2004 22:34									#34
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Can you dualclass a Swashbuckler with a fighter? Although then I can't backstab. I've played BGI with a PC thief.

I'm more thinking towards a fighter cleric or ranger cleric, either dual or multi-classed. Although a fighter-thief would be fun, and as your suggestion, a half-orc can romance Virconia.

So:
CN half-orc fighter/thief
Virconia (romance)
Yoshi->Imoen
Korgan
Edwin
Any NPC (who?)

Or:
NG human fighter/ranger+cleric (dualed) or elven fighter/ranger+cleric (multi)
Jahiera or Aerie (romance)
Yoshi->Imoen
Keldorn
Kelsey
Minsc

Which is better? The latter has a better RP BGI team (Jaheira, Khalid, Minsc, Dynaheir, Imoen) whereas the former can be used as a BGI team too (except for the last NPC). I more leaning towards the latter, since I've played as a thief more, and I like the idea of a fighter/cleric combi. Also, the hide+backstab seems a little cheesy, and takes longer.

Whatever I have, the character will have 18/19 str, 18/19 dex, 18/19 con, then for the f/t, 18 cha, and for the f/c, 18 wis. The others will be whatever else is left.

	25-03-2004 22:35									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Staff of the Ram

Can't backstab with staffs, I tried with Imoen's Staff of the Magi

	25-03-2004 22:49									#36
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quote: Can't backstab with staffs, I tried with Imoen's Staff of the Magi

Hahaha!!!!!! BG Noob!!!!1!eleven! Umm... I mean... Theifs can only backstab with weapons usable by a pure thief. This includes staffs swords etc... but no items that normally cannot be used by a thief. So Staff of the Ram is fine, Staff of the Magi is not, Rynn's Staff is fine, Staff of the Woodlands is not...

See?

quote: CN half-orc fighter/thief Virconia (romance) Yoshi->Imoen Korgan Edwin Any NPC (who?)

Very nearly my current game I started last night. No Yoshi, and no intrntion of getting Imoen though. I may kill her or have Edwin turn her to stone. (I'm playing an EVIL party, right?) and the last slot is empty, so only 4 characters. I drank all the Potions of Master Theivery I could afford (7 I think) and then stole literally everything in the whole town from both shops and pockets, selling the stuff I didn't want to one of the blackmarket shops. It was VERY tedious, but the party is now rich and very well equipped, considering we havn't even done the Circus Tent or the Copper Corenet, just the minimum to get Edwin and Viccy.

I like stealing stuff

-Jam

	25-03-2004 23:42									#37
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I'm not a stealing fan. I'm thinking of going fighter or ranger and cleric. However fighter, ranger or stalker?

	25-03-2004 23:54									#38
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Also, quick question: Does using Tutu mean I can't play BGII normally?

	25-03-2004 23:58									#39
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I have a question, too: Does tutu work with Throne of Bhaal? I'd really like to play a wild mage in BG1

	26-03-2004 00:10									#40
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It does.

	26-03-2004 00:14									#41
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I'm also curious as to what exactly this program does, and how reliable it is. Can you play the BG2 new character types? And where does the first expansion fit in?

	26-03-2004 00:22									#42
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Tutu is a mod that converts BGI, using the BGII engine and classes. It basically makes it BGII, but the BGI storyline and game. It is well known and used (Stuie just finished a game with it) and so is seen as reliable. Yes you use the new character types, and it is compatable with TotSC and ToB (expansions for BGI and BGII respectively).

I've just DLed it, to start a game with

	26-03-2004 00:41									#43
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Its a very small file that tells BG2 to take all the maps, scripts and dialogs from BG1 and use those instead of the ones in BG2. They both use the same basic file structure and scripting language (Hey, some of the same Bioware scripts are in NWN and KOTOR) so its an easy conversion. It does make BG1 a little bit easier, but I'm sure you can live with that.

There's a project "IcewindGate" which is the same idea, but the conversion is to play BG2 using the even more superior IWD2 version of the IE and the 3eD&D rules set. Its in beta now

-Jam

	26-03-2004 01:11									#44
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Do you people use character scripts and if yes, then what? I dabbled a bit in scripting and most of all tried to create a script that changes from dual-wield to a bow (or crossbow) automatically. I did manage to do this somehow, but it wasn't very pretty or practical. If someone knows a script that does it, I sure would be interested.

	26-03-2004 02:10									#45
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I never use IE character scripts apart from a simple

IsTargetDead?
If True then AttackNextEnemy

On fighters.

-Jam

	26-03-2004 04:40									#46
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Is the Icewind Dale 2 engine better than the BG2 one? I always thought they used the same engine!

	26-03-2004 04:42									#47
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Hmm, £18 for BG1 + expansion........not too bad.

	26-03-2004 05:07									#48
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quote: Is the Icewind Dale 2 engine better than the BG2 one? I always thought they used the same engine

Its is the same basic engine - the Infinity Engine - but IWD2 has some advances over BG2

• Every character has 4 "weapon quickslots" which can include combinations.
  
• 3rd Edition D&D rules are used
  
• The backpack is bigger (holds more items)
  
• There are better character models
  
• The action bar for each character is FULLY customisable. I basically fill the mage action bar with all the spells I use most often, instead of crap like "talk" and "guard"
  
• Some of the cheese spells from BG2 are removed (Timestop for example)
  

	26-03-2004 15:22									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue What I mean by roleplaying is playing as if ythe PC were me. I'm not evil, therefore I can't roleplay as me an evil character.

Drogue isn't evil - he's just a very naughty boy!

I suggested that you play a bard to make things hard! But maybe Jamski is the only one interested in making it harder.
No Jamski, by ninja I wanted you to play a bog standard ranger/cleric with no weapons or any armour. You can have magic everything else to improve your AC, and get stoneskin cast on you as many times as you'd like.
You don't have to solo though. But punching stuff is de rigeur.

Hi....ya!
(This is supposed to be the thing that martial arts practitioners shout before they do something, to focus their power or something like that, not a dumb welcome. )

	26-03-2004 17:44									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Tutu is a mod that converts BGI, using the BGII engine and classes. It basically makes it BGII, but the BGI storyline and game. It is well known and used (Stuie just finished a game with it) and so is seen as reliable.

Well I haven't quite finished the game yet. I just started ToB.

As for tutu, I got all the way through BG1 and Tales of the Sword Coast using it and experienced no problems. Then I switched back to BG2 code and started BG2; again, no problems.

EDIT: Oh, Drogue probably meant finished a game of BG1 - that I did do.

	26-03-2004 18:21									#51
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quote: ...maybe Jamski is the only one interested in making it harder. No Jamski, by ninja I wanted you to play a bog standard ranger/cleric with no weapons or any armour. You can have magic everything else to improve your AC, and get stoneskin cast on you as many times as you'd like

You mean Ironskins for a Ranger/Cleric... how about if I use spells like Spiritual Hammer or Flamesword? I suppose I'm going to rely on summons a lot...as well, and I need to think of a way of hurting creatures that require +3 weapons to hit etc... Traps I'll just have to run over, and locks... well its very easy to get 25 STR with a Ranger/Cleric, so forcing stuff is no problem. Kangaxx will be a b!tch

-Jam

	26-03-2004 18:42									#52
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clerics can't remove traps with a find traps spell?

	26-03-2004 18:45									#53
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Nope. Only find them. Its pretty useless. I know where all the traps are anyway, and some you can't avaoid

-Jam

	26-03-2004 18:54									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Kangaxx will be a b!tch

Ring of the Ram, Ring of Energy (if it works)... um... that's all I can think of

I have a problem: I DLed Tutu, installed BGI, installed Tutu (all fine so far) but it won't play. I loaded up BGII, went to new game, character creation, all went fine, but when it got to the game it said "loading game" as usual, then just went to windows, and the BG window crashed.

The only thing that went at all wrong in the install was the BGI install. I custom installed and clicked every box, and while it showed the correct ~2300MB needed, it only showed 2047MB available, when there was actually over 6GB free on that drive. I clicked all, and when it said there's not enough room, should I continue, clicked yes, and it appears to all be there (It's ~2300MB in size). Could that be it, that while it's installed everything, it doesn't know it's all installed? If so, I'll need to re-install BGI, but how do I rectify the problem of it thinking there's only 2047MB free, where there is much more? Help is much needed!

Also, I presume I open BGII to play Tutu? I opened BGI as well, and that didn't work either, it got as far as new game, and then said it's missing a directory file (as expected, if Tutu altered it).

	26-03-2004 19:01									#55
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Drogue do a scan on the drive, because sometimes there is an error with calculating free space and it can be a pain.

Still if it's all there it's strange. Reinstall BG1 by itself and check it works before installing the utility. If that works then something is probably up with the utility.

	26-03-2004 19:03									#56
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Also I have to ask.........what makes this game replayable once you know the plot? I'm playing KOTOR as you know and I might play through again in the future as a dark force mage, but replaying it is not a priority for me since when I finish I'll know most of the story.

	26-03-2004 19:19									#57
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The vast number of side quests.
The different conversations you get with different NPCs and bystanders depending upon your alignment, race, gender, class, etc. There are loads of different NPCs you can take with you, and they'll have different reactions to one another so you can have loads of interaction - both positive and negative.

Actually I've just remembered something else. Somehow, despite not having him in my party, I've ended up with Xan's Moonblade. Now I know that I can't use any of the powers, and I've got a fairly decent collection of magic weapons for this point in the game, so who should I sell it to to get a worthwhile price for it? The Thunderhammer smithy?

	26-03-2004 19:45									#58
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You won't get a decent price for it Sorry

Doc, its replayable because...

• ...its really quite a tactical game. If you take a team that's heavy on wizards, or has no thief, or only has two people then it offers completely new challenges.
  
• ...there's always one more thing you missed in the last game.
  
• ...you installed a bunch of mods.
  
• ...you loved it so much that you want to go through again.
  
• ...you really need to try and do it with a naked solo Jester
  

	26-03-2004 19:55									#59
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Damn! Who wouldn't want a magic sword - it's a collector's item.

	26-03-2004 20:01									#60
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Noone can use it though. I wouldn't spend my hard earned gold coins on a magic sword I couldn't use.

-Jam