05-05-2004 12:10									#481
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hey what do you know, it worked

That must have been what I did before, just forgot.

I tried remove paralysis on one of the NPC's that is frozen in that area. Didn't work. I didn't think it would.

Anyways, I guess I'll finish these areas, then head up to the bandit camp. I still have that dungeon to do with the infinite kobold archers with fire arrows. I'm wondering if that is worth it. I can't remember what item or experience is in there.

I would use Shar-Teel in my party, but I doubt she's better than Kagain. Kagain regenerates hit points!.

I compared my 2 top fighters in this game (one of them is my PC) compared to my good party. My evil party is far superior. Especially in hit points. Of course my good party doesn't have fighters, but a Paladin and a Ranger (Adjantis and Minsc).

so now I have 2 games I'm running at the same time, though currently I'm only my evil party to catch up and get inside Baldur's Gate.

	05-05-2004 12:27									#482
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Now that's what I call a word. Chunkified

On the Planet Baldurs Gate forums, the term was "Gibbed".

Anyway, the reason I was posting was response to a post waaaaaaaaaaaaay back on page 4 and probably no longer relevant. Bash on regardless I guess.

BG2
The Sir Sarles (the artist ****er) quest. You can give him the fake Illithium and still succeed in the quest. Just don't have the real stuff in your inventory.

BG1
Also, there is a second suit of anhkeg armour hidden in Naskell.

EDIT - The 'w' word is censored now.

	05-05-2004 14:23									#483
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My current party is: Mildred (PC ranger), Minsc (ranger), Jaheira (fighter/druid), Branwen (cleric), Imoen (sexy thief) and Dynaheir (toaster of baddies).
I'm intrigued to hear that Dis has a paladin (the ass ) in his party. Would anyone like to suggest making changes to my current party, and who should I bring in for whom? Of the above, Branwen is true neutral and wouldn't have made the "good" cut if I'd managed to keep Khalid alive, but I'd rather junk Jaheira at the moment because she ain't very good in combat despite being a fighter/druid, and doesn't have that many decent spells at the moment. Can a paladin take the fight to the heathens?

	05-05-2004 15:23									#484
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Based on your previous posts, I'm guessing you're close to Coran. If you passed him by *gasp*, then go back. He's a fighter/thief and the best archer npc you can get (his dex is 20 and he has 3 *'s in bows). So, add Coran, Dual Imoen to a mage (will make sense in BG2 ), ditch Dynaheir, the space hamster (and it's sidekick) and go get Kivan (the second best archer npc).

Your party should then be Mildred (ranger), Branwen (cleric), Jaheira (fighter/druid), Imoen (thief->mage), Coran (fighter/thief) and Kivan (ranger and not a carrot)(also sounds like Clint Eastwood). With Jaheira (with the addon, she can wear full plate armour) and you up front, Coran and Kivan raining arrows, Branwen healing and Imoen raining spells, you should do ok.

	05-05-2004 16:04									#485
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Whereabouts can I find Coran? I know where I can get Kivan back, because he had to go when I rescued Dynaheir. However, I may well do what you say. Coran isn't a halfling is he?
My character is a pretty good archer, and so far I've been relying on the space hamster to take out the baddies/keep them occupied for long enough to arrow them to death, and had everyone else pile in with missiles. I really should have duelled Imoen before, and Jamski told me to, but I fancied having a pure thief. Fighter/thief is even better though, so I'll have to do that. Besides, Imoen already has 100% in find traps, so I don't need to give her more thief skills. Mind you, I noticed that I could have given her more than 100%. Is this just a trick to make you waste your points when you level up, or are there benefits to having more points on a particular skill? I mean, with 125% pick pockets do you successfully pick the pocket, take its contents and also the clothes of the person being robbed without their noticing or what?

	05-05-2004 16:25									#486
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Coran is an elf like Kivan. You find him on a bridge in the first Cloakwood forest map. Besides, due to the limited enemy AI, you only need one tank (Jaheira is good). Send her out front to attract their attention, then have your archers massacre them.

There's only a couple of fights where you will need two tanks, but Kivan can fill that role quite easily. The one tank strategy doesn't work in BG2 as the enemy AI is a little better.

With Imoen, if her level is at 7 or less and if you have the addon (xp cap of 161k), you can still dual her to mage and she will reach level 8 as a mage. Level 6 is better as she could reach level 9 as a mage and re-gain the thief skills sooner.

	05-05-2004 16:31									#487
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quote: I'd rather junk Jaheira at the moment because she ain't very good in combat despite being a fighter/druid, and doesn't have that many decent spells at the moment. Can a paladin take the fight to the heathens?

She'll always be a better fighter than a cleric of the same level, due to better Thac0 and better attacks/round. Plus she can use daggers

quote: Mind you, I noticed that I could have given her more than 100%. Is this just a trick to make you waste your points when you level up, or are there benefits to having more points on a particular skill?

Depending on the environment, person you are robbing, etc etc, there can be hefty -x% penalties to your ablities. For stealing from some shops 200% or 250% is best to be safe.

-Jam

	05-05-2004 16:36									#488
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Well I've got Imoen at level 6 now, so it seems as good a time as any. It won't take her as long to get her thief abilities back either. Which direction is Cloakwood? I'm guessing north-east, but I've only just finished the southern section of the map so I haven't reached Coran yet.
If I duel Imoen then will she just become an ordinary wizard, or can I specialise her? She also won't be able to wear her shadow armour! But then I could give that to Coran when he reaches us anyway. The trouble with getting Kivan in for Minsc would be that I'd either have no wizard or no thief, depending upon when I make Imoen duel. I'm tempted to send Minsc against a basilisk unaided and then have him turn to stone. That way I get to keep Dynaheir for as long as I want too.
What sayeth thou Herr Jamski?

	05-05-2004 16:49									#489
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You can't get him until chapter 4 IIRC, so do the bandits (chapter 3) first, then go to Cloakwood, by which time Imoen will be getting close to getting her theif skills back (although a dual at levels 4-5 is MUCH faster - getting level 7 Mage is a LOT of EXP, it will take you untill the final scenes to get her back as a thief.)

If you want Coran, its probably best to swop him for Minsc's stoned body though. Nice plan

-Jam

	05-05-2004 16:56									#490
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In that case, I shall go to hunt the bandits and then go to Cloakwood after passing by the east of the temple. I like being sneaky, but my class won't let me wear shadow armour.

	05-05-2004 16:57									#491
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You can't get into the cloakwood until after the bandits quest is done, so leave the rest of the maps until you have Coran.

If you really really want to keep one of a pair (Jaheira/Khalid, Xzar/Montaron, Space Hamster/Dynaheir), there is a way that doesn't involve killing one of them.

Find a house, cave or whatever that is a separate map that you'll never enter again. Then, selecting you and the one you want to be rid of, enter that house leaving the rest of the party and the one you want outside. Then remove them from the party in the house.

Since their partner is on another map, they can't pull them out of the party. You then get to keep the one you want and you get rid of the dead weight.

It's an exploit, but it's much kinder than sending them naked into a hopeless fight.

	05-05-2004 17:04									#492
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My characters may be good, but I sure as heck ain't!

I'll have to find the cash to buy Jaheira that poison dagger from Beregost though. Can she use a short sword? Imoen has a +1 short sword, and Dynaheir has a +1 dagger, but the poison dagger would be very nice indeed.
Oh, is that woman I met on the coast a thief? I suppose I could use her until I got to Coran. But that wouldn't really be worth it. Also, will the fact that I am at level 6 or so for all the charatcers cause problems when I meet Coran? It will mean that I might have less chance of quickly boosting his find traps skill because he will already be fairly proficient in whatever the game thinks he should be and will require more exp per level. That's the only problem with duelling Imoen as far as I can see: the loss of trap detection. I know that Jamski knows where they all are anyway, but I don't (first time through and all) and don't want to have to reload all the time while I work out where they are.

	05-05-2004 17:09									#493
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york That's the only problem with duelling Imoen as far as I can see: the loss of trap detection. I know that Jamski knows where they all are anyway, but I don't (first time through and all) and don't want to have to reload all the time while I work out where they are.

Why not use the cleric spell Find Traps? As Jamski said earlier, it's useless when you know where all the traps are, but until then you might get some use out of it.

	05-05-2004 17:19									#494
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How long does it last though?

	05-05-2004 17:25									#495
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Jaheira can use a scimeter and there's a few magical ones floating around. There's only really one dangerous trap, but with a potion of electrical resistance, it's easily negated.

The ettercap traps are more annoying than dangerous, but you should have Coran before you reach them.

	05-05-2004 17:26									#496
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It only locates them though, doesn't disarm them.

With a level 4-5 dualling of Imoen though, you get the thief skills back about the same time they are needed. At level 6... well, unless you have a back-up thief, the traps come heavier later in the game...

-Jam

	05-05-2004 17:40									#497
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I'm going to need Coran then.
Given the exp that I'll get off bandit-hunting, then would you advise that I duel Imoen asap, so that she gets a proper start in amassing all the exp required to get her thief skills back? Are there any traps in the forests where the bandits live? I have a funny feeling that there won't be, but though I'd better check before doing something rash and possibly irreversible.

	05-05-2004 18:37									#498
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A question for those who installed tutu mod:
I decided to try it, so I installed it yesterday.
First impression: it's great. BG1 doesn't look like a prehistoric game anymore and is funny to play.
BUT.
My (new) character slayed so many random monsters between Kandelkeep and FriendlyArms that, having now finished the small quests in FriendlyArms, he is now level 3 !!!!
Xvarts came in bands of 12, forgot-the-name 8, kobolds 4-6 and I even met a pack of 3 wolves !!!
That's hard for a 1st level lonely adventurer.
Will it be like that all the way?

EDIT: ok, it's Candlekeep (with a C) and the monsters I meant were the Gibberlings.

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	05-05-2004 18:52									#499
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Sounds like you're soloing it! What type of PC have you got?

*duke looks into his Bag of Holding and produces the fabled Horn of Summoning. Putting it to his lips, he blows a piercing note, and the party sits around to await the arrival of the summoned Jamski.

Jam, would you like the honour of starting a new thread devoted to the wonders of Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II and all the little BGs?
I would be interested in hearing everyone's favourite parties. I'll allow you to choose a party for good alignment, and one for evil, and any others that you liked. Er, you can do this for BGII as well.

	05-05-2004 19:06									#500
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Is this thread full already?

Nah... someone else can start a new one, I need to plan my ultimate BG party

-Jam

	05-05-2004 19:08									#501
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quote: A question for those who installed tutu mod: I decided to try it, so I installed it yesterday. First impression: it's great. BG1 doesn't look like a prehistoric game anymore and is funny to play. BUT. My (new) character slayed so many random monsters between Kandelkeep and FriendlyArms that, having now finished the small quests in FriendlyArms, he is now level 3 !!!! Xvarts came in bands of 12, forgot-the-name 8, kobolds 4-6 and I even met a pack of 3 wolves !!! That's hard for a 1st level lonely adventurer. Will it be like that all the way?

Oh, and not only do you always get the hardest random spawns in TuTu, but you also get EXP for unlocking stuff, like in BG2.

Sorry about that.

The best idea is not to do ALL the side quests, and to take a full party.

-Jam

	05-05-2004 19:23									#502
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Sounds like you're soloing it! What type of PC have you got?

Soloing was not exactly my plan.
My Bg1 strat was: try to reach level 3 solo, and then form the group.
I have started with a fighter ... a smart fighter ... INT 18.

	06-05-2004 14:18									#503
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Jamski, we need a new thread!

So I can wax less than lyrical about the hour or so I squeezed in last night (much to the displeasure of a local duchess). I found a great way to make lots of cash. If you rest in Larwood then you'll be ambushed by bandits in the middle of the night. Scalp 'em! Unfortunately, I'm about 92 days into the game so shouldn't really faff about with lengthy rests but I like lots of gold, and I'll be able to buy Jaheira the poison dagger when I go back to Beregost.

	06-05-2004 16:46									#504
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Ok, continue here.

http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...threadid=114323

Rah, if you would be so kind to make the toast...

* Jamski fetches the butter and jam *

-Jam

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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york I'm going to need Coran then. Given the exp that I'll get off bandit-hunting, then would you advise that I duel Imoen asap, so that she gets a proper start in amassing all the exp required to get her thief skills back? Are there any traps in the forests where the bandits live? I have a funny feeling that there won't be, but though I'd better check before doing something rash and possibly irreversible.

yep, dual her asap, or not at all.

I probably should have dualled her at level 1 or 2 and used someone else as my thief. I prefer fighter/thieves. This is for my good party. In my evil party I am using Montaron (hafling fighter/thief). She can make a pretty good mage.

Although I don't think dynaheir is that bad. Why get rid of her? With the ring of wizadry (good luck finding that ), she has a ton of spells like magic missile.

Although I like Edwin a lot in my evil party.

Normally I wouldn't recommend dualling Imoen at that high a level, but if you get someone else for your thief, then that's okay. You can pretty much treat Imoen as a mage (don't count on using her as a thief anymore). Although I'm still not sure it's worth ditching dynaheir for her though (I'd have to look at their stats).