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BigFree is offline BigFree

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ONLY IF THEY PROMISE TO LET US DO PHILOSOPHY!!!

As the Scientific civ in our appearent little "co-operation" ( ), our "team" effort would be better off with us doing it because we get a better shot at a SGL. If they don't let us and say "you had your chance", we cut all deals and crush them.


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i demand we get philosophy and the free tech (republic, i assume).

SGL

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I agree that we should be the ones to do philosophy. We have a better chance of SGL's than they do (slight, but still better).

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Ok, cool. So tell me how this sounds:

Fair citizens of CDG,

We at Apolyton do agree to your Non- Agression Pact. However, to show our good faith, we propose that the pact last for twenty turns instead of 10. We have decided that cooperation with CDG is in our (and your) best interests. Along that line, we propose that we modify our tech plans in such a way as to trade in the future. We plan on working on Philosophy.
(I don't really know what to write here. Can someone think of something to convince them to not complain about us researching philosophy?)
Other than that, We wish you the best of luck with what the gods give you.

Regards,
Vander, Ambassador of Apolyton

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Vander just tell them that we have a better chance at a SGL, and thats what the people of Apoly are asking for.

So when they get writing they will have to gift it to us. Then we start philo and they start the other other big ticket tech whcih should be CoL.

Then when we get the free tech it wil be Republic as long as they get to CoD before we get to Philo.

Then we share Republic if I remeber it correctly.

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In the interest of all in volved in the Creative-Poly Group, we feel that Apolyton should be the portion of this Group that researches Philosophy. As the only "Scientific" civ in the Group (and the game for that matter), we stand a much better chance of generating a Scientific Great Leader, and it is in our Groups' best interest that the best chances are put forth.


What do you think of the name? By mentioning them first (and twice for that matter) it makes them feel more important and gives the (subtle) impression that we are submitting to them, and then refering to both of us as a single name (The Group) gives a stronger sence of unity than just CDG/APO (Similar to how the EU is a sign of European Unity).

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Ok, cool. So tell me how this sounds:

Fair citizens of CDG,

We at Apolyton do agree to your Non- Agression Pact. However, to show our good faith, we propose that the pact last for twenty turns instead of 10.

leave this as is
quote:

We have decided that cooperation with CDG is in our (and your) best interests.

leave out the (and your) part. We DON'T want to appear like we are telling them what is best for them, although we DO know that....
quote:

Along that line, we propose that we modify our tech plans in such a way as to trade in the future. We plan on working on Philosophy.

Tell them, "We are doing this, because we feel that it would be advantagious to both of us, if we go for Philosophy. Our Economic advisors beleave that this is the best route for both of our Nations" Or something like that....
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(I don't really know what to write here. Can someone think of something to convince them to not complain about us researching philosophy?)
Other than that, We wish you the best of luck with what the gods give you.

Regards,
Vander, Ambassador of Apolyton


Rest sounds good to me

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Final Draft. I'll wait a few hours for some critiques. If you guys are happy with my style, then I'll skip the approval stage for the next communiques.

Fair citizens of the Creative Design Group,

We at Apolyton do agree to your Non- Agression Pact. However, to show our good faith, we propose that the pact last for twenty turns instead of 10. We have decided that cooperation with CDG is in our best interests. Along that line, we propose that we modify our tech plans in such a way as to trade in the future. We plan on working on Philosophy. We are doing this, because we feel that it would be advantagious to both of us if we go for Philosophy. Our Economic advisors believe that this is the best route for both of our Nations. As the only "Scientific" civ in the Group (and the game for that matter), we stand a much better chance of generating a Scientific Great Leader, and it is in our Groups' best interest that the best chances are put forth.
Other than that, We wish you the best of luck with what the gods give you.

Regards,
Vander, Ambassador of Apolyton

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It looks good to me.

Anyone else have a comment?

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Hi folks. I'm back.

If I may suggest a slight change to the last line -

instead of

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We wish you the best of luck with what the gods give you.


How about,

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We wish both teams good fortune with what the gods have provided for us.


The first makes it sound a bit like we are the gods and we are giving them a deal. Which I don't think is what you want to say. I belive you mean it as a positive salutation.

Otherwise....

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Message sent. let's see what they say.

Now, where did I keep that Vodka....

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Oops. Just a little too late. It all sounds a bit preachy, with 'we say this' and 'we decide that'. Trust me, I know it's hard to do otherwise when writing an official letter like this.

For next time here are my ideas on how we could have rewritten this to be a little less rigid perhaps.

Fair citizens of the Creative Design Group,

We were delighted at your offer of a NAP, and so we eagerly accept. Furthermore, in an act of good faith, we propose that the pact last for twenty turns instead of 10. Cooperation between Apolyton and CDG is in all our best interests.


The rest as is.

Perhaps I'm the only one in this, but I would like to inject a little more 'emotion' perhaps into our messages, so that we seem more like friends rather than aloof diplomats.

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You have it right MrWIA.

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I'll keep that in mind for the rest of them.

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Oops. Just a little too late. It all sounds a bit preachy, with 'we say this' and 'we decide that'. Trust me, I know it's hard to do otherwise when writing an official letter like this.

For next time here are my ideas on how we could have rewritten this to be a little less rigid perhaps.

Fair citizens of the Creative Design Group,

We were delighted at your offer of a NAP, and so we eagerly accept. Furthermore, in an act of good faith, we propose that the pact last for twenty turns instead of 10. Cooperation between Apolyton and CDG is in all our best interests.


The rest as is.

Perhaps I'm the only one in this, but I would like to inject a little more 'emotion' perhaps into our messages, so that we seem more like friends rather than aloof diplomats.


MWIA - I beg to differ.

"Delighted" sounds a bit too pleased; the word is somewhat padded.

"Eagerly" sounds almost suspicious. Are we trying to sound overly keen, or are we hiding something?

And as a point of grammar "in all our best interests" should read "in both our best interests". (sorry - my mother taught English. )

Vander's note may have sounded a bit cool, but that is OK. There was nothing unfriendly about it. And I would not suggest he change his style now. That may create confusion in the communications and how they are received.

Everyone has a different communications style. Overly warm is sometimes not the right tone either. I think it was OK.

And after all - we are the Greeks, so we can sound a bit 'preachy'.

(MWIA... Sorry if this sounded defensive, but I do think it hit the right tone.)

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I think we should have been more blunt.

"Cooperate or you're gonna have to deal with us opening a can of Greek whoop-ass on ya!"

I like my communications to be succinct.

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Just got this from Louis XXIV:

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Non Agression Pact:

For the next 20 turns, both sides (Apolyton and Elucidia) agree not to enter each other's cultural borders, attack any of each other's units, or block the progress of each other's units for any reason.


Feel free to make any changes and send it back for review, or just sign it, and I will do the same.


I figure we should sign it, maybe dress it up in some fancy language.

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What about the Philo deal?????

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Sign this and then let's pen up and propose to them the Philosophy deal.

--Togas

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Sounds like a plan.

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My suggestion for the Philosophy Deal:

They finish writing, GIFT it to us. They immediately start on CoL and tell us how many turns until they get it.

If we finish IW before they finish Writing, we start on another tech (Wheel? Masonry? CB?) and gift them IW and Pottery after receipt of Writing. If they finish Writing first, we gift IW and Pottery and then start on a short tech (Wheel? Masonry? CB?) just to buy them some time, if needed.

They need to finish CoL *just* before we finish Philo. If necessary, we may pull back on research. Hopefully we'll pick techs that will space this out right.

They GIFT us CoL.

We get Philo and get Republic for free and GIFT both techs to them.

We then start on Math.

Writing = 8
IW = 6
Pottery = 2
(Masonry = 4)
(Wheel = 4)
(CB = 2)
Code of Laws = 10
Philosophy = 6
Republic = 28!

Techs given to CDG = IW, Pottery, Philosophy, Republic
Techs given to Poly = Writing, CoL

All techs are to be GIFTED so as to not cause unnecessary delay.

Any extra techs we research are not gifted (this is negotiable)

--Togas

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I concur. Let's finalize the NAP and then present them with the tech deal. The way Togas has it laid out works well.

Vander - my suggestion is not to mess with the language, If it says what we want as it is - we sign it and send it back. And as it stands - I can't think of much more to say.

The only question is: do we want to hook the NAP into a tech deal? I can't see them backing down on the tech deal - especially since we are doing IW, so at a minimum, I would like to see the timing of a returned and signed NAP being very close to a proposed teach deal.

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Alright. I'll get back to CDG with the NAP. I'm going to wait a little bit more (like, a day) to write up the trade deal and send it. So by tomorrow evening (PST) I'll have that done (I hope!)

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We at Apolyton had an idea. This idea, if properly implimented, will give our two teams a needed boost to our tech rates (This is doubly important given the Ladderites's performance!). If we follow this path that the Gods have given us, both our teams shall get Republic. With the citizens behind the leaders of our nations, our economies and production capabilites should be vastly improved over that of our opponents.

For this to work, the Gods have given us this system:

- CDG finishes Writing, gifts to Poly
- CDG starts on Code of Laws, tells Poly how long it will take
- Poly finishes Iron Working, gifts to CDG along with Pottery
- Poly researches a cheaper tech (Wheel, Masonry, etc...) to kill time if needed. Otherwise, Poly starts Philosophy
- CDG finishes CoL, gifts to Poly
- Poly finishes Philosophy, gets Republic as free tech, gifts both to CDG


Techs given to CDG = IW, Pottery, Philosophy, Republic
Techs given to Poly = Writing, CoL

All techs are to be GIFTED so as to not cause unnecessary delay.

Any extra techs we research are not gifted (this is negotiable)

Tell us what you think.

How's this for a tech trade deal?

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Originally, the idea was CDG's so let's make reference to that in the text of this trade arrangement and rework the first paragraph.

Reword this:
quote:

Poly researches a cheaper tech (Wheel, Masonry, etc...) to kill time if needed. Otherwise, Poly starts Philosophy

to this:

Poly researches some cheap tech to fill in time only if needed. (for example, if CDG doesn't have writing or if it would take less time to finish philo than CoL) Otherwise, Poly immediately starts Philosophy.

remove this:
quote:

Any extra techs we research are not gifted (this is negotiable)

Tell us what you think.


--Togas

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Message sent with Togas' edits.

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Do we chat with CDG? Can someone set up a channel for them and us so that we can make communicating that much easier? Or, do we use CDG's Java chat only?

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Vander - !

BF - we will look into the chat situation. You are right - we should have a quick and ready method for communicating.

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If you want to do the chat format, that's fine.
But the format we have now works best for me. I am at my computer pretty randomly for most of the day due to college and its lifestyle. In this format, I can get the communiques done at a time good for me. I'd rather not want to hinder the team with my chaotic schedule.

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If you want to do the chat format, that's fine.
But the format we have now works best for me. I am at my computer pretty randomly for most of the day due to college and its lifestyle. In this format, I can get the communiques done at a time good for me. I'd rather not want to hinder the team with my chaotic schedule.


No - I am a fan of the written approach as well - for most of our stuff. I think BF is suggesting that having the option - should we need it - and to at least establish closer relations with them, would be useful. Not as a regular means of communication, but as an enhancement to the current approach. And lets stick to that - for the sake of both your schedule and mine.

 
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