31-03-2004 06:49									#151
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar You just set yourself up for a trap, Fez If you dont support the war in Chechnya, how can you support the war in Iraq?

Counter trap. If you support the war in Chechnya, why not in Iraq?

"Fez, I would think of you as a better man if you just admitted it."

Admitted what?

	31-03-2004 06:50									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Counter trap. If you support the war in Chechnya, why not in Iraq?

That would be a nice trap, if I believed in the war in Chechnya

	31-03-2004 06:50									#153
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That you were being a jackass?

	31-03-2004 06:50									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar That would be a nice trap, if I believed in the war in Chechnya

To support Putin you have to.

	31-03-2004 06:50									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Counter trap. If you support the war in Chechnya, why not in Iraq? "Fez, I would think of you as a better man if you just admitted it." Admitted what?

That you are a little Hitler fanboy.

	31-03-2004 06:51									#157
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yeah Tas, what's up with that? Why do you have the avatar of a guy who's running around shutting down the freepress?

	31-03-2004 06:52									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar yeah Tas, what's up with that? Why do you have the avatar of a guy who's running around shutting down the freepress?

Don't you see the halo in the photo? A sure sign of Putin's divinity...

	31-03-2004 06:52									#159
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Don't you see the halo in the photo? A sure sign of Putin's divinity...

	31-03-2004 06:53									#160
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Funny to here a member of the AECCP calling the communists stupid. You lot never have anything interesting to say.

Anyway, Fez and Park Avenue would make a nice pair, except that Park Avenue can't stand homosexuals.

	31-03-2004 06:53									#161
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Here's another icon from Putin's hagiographic press core.

Attachment: putin5.jpg
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	31-03-2004 06:55									#162
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quote: Admitted what?

Joncha got it. That you were a Hitler fanboy.

There are lots of things worse than a Nazi, but there ain't much worse than a Nazi in denial.

	31-03-2004 06:55									#163
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Funny to here a member of the AECCP calling the communists stupid. You lot never have anything interesting to say.

You'll noticed I very carefully said that believing in the ideology of communism is stupid.

And, it's further worth noting that the track record of capitalism ( albeit, at least a little regulated) indicates that the quality of life for the average joe is a lot better than it is in communist countries.

	31-03-2004 06:56									#164
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Following your logic Verto any kind of Christian symbolic should be banned to - isn't Catholic Church responsible for inquisition, crusades, and a bunch of other niceties?

Russian communism is essentially a social experiment that went wrong. Right now it is easy to say how wrong it was. Back in 1917 it was not obvious and communist ideas had some substantial support from people around the world. Heck, judging by Apolyton it has not completely lost its appeal even now.

There is a big difference between a regime that built up its ideology around hatred of "lesser" nations and a regime that tried to achieve brotherhood and equality for everyone.

An example with Christianity just shows that people possesed by some sort of messianic zeal often end up doing terrible things.

	31-03-2004 06:57									#165
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Fez, I just remembered I've got a list of history websites about three pages long, and several of them were devoted to propaganda posters. I have diligently copied them in here for your convenience, if you'd like to check them out.

Propaganda Posters from the Spanish Civil War

British WW1 Propaganda Posters

The other ones appear to be outdated URLs, I will try to find their new locations later.

Now that I have piqued my own interest, I will spend the next three hours perusing my list.

	31-03-2004 06:58									#166
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quote: Originally posted by ErikM Following your logic Verto any kind of Christian symbolic should be banned to - isn't Catholic Church responsible for inquisition, crusades, and a bunch of other niceties? .

Same as everyone else. The difference? The RCC has apologized for it's FUBARs.

	31-03-2004 07:00									#167
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quote: Originally posted by ErikM

Also, I don't think that particular argument would work very well on a Mormon, whose folk were oppressed for quite a bit of time in the states.

	31-03-2004 07:01									#168
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quote: Originally posted by ErikM Following your logic Verto any kind of Christian symbolic should be banned to - isn't Catholic Church responsible for inquisition, crusades, and a bunch of other niceties? Russian communism is essentially a social experiment that went wrong. Right now it is easy to say how wrong it was. Back in 1917 it was not obvious and communist ideas had some substantial support from people around the world. Heck, judging by Apolyton it has not completely lost its appeal even now. There is a big difference between a regime that built up its ideology around hatred of "lesser" nations and a regime that tried to achieve brotherhood and equality for everyone. An example with Christianity just shows that people possesed by some sort of messianic zeal often end up doing terrible things.

If these so-called Communists could see that the Hammer & Sickle and other symbols of the USSR are just as anti-semitic/racist/evil as a Waffen SS recruitment poster, I would have no real objection.

And I realize symbols have different meanings to each individual.

	31-03-2004 07:01									#169
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar You'll noticed I very carefully said that believing in the ideology of communism is stupid. And, it's further worth noting that the track record of capitalism ( albeit, at least a little regulated) indicates that the quality of life for the average joe is a lot better than it is in communist countries.

Only because they are ripping off others.

Besides, you should know better than to use the tired old "human nature" argument. Communal living was the norm over most of the history of our species - if anything is natural it is that.

And any student of Marx could tell you that what counts as "human nature" at any one time is largely a social construct.

Save the bad arguments for somewhere else.

	31-03-2004 07:02									#170
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Joncha got it. That you were a Hitler fanboy. There are lots of things worse than a Nazi, but there ain't much worse than a Nazi in denial.

Hell no. I am no nazi. In fact I'm very happy the Nazis were defeated. My avatar is gone. Happy people? Now shut up about this whole thing and lets get back to the topic.

	31-03-2004 07:03									#171
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It has something to do with society too Verto. Waving a Swastika or SS poster is worse than popping out your *** at the Super Bowl. But waving a Hammer+Sickle or attending a Communist demosntrations is n't that badl .

	31-03-2004 07:03									#172
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I have no problem with a Hindu, for example, using a swastika as their religious symbol. The context changes the symbol. Just about anyone else who uses one is a neoNazi or a Hitler fanboy like Fez.

	31-03-2004 07:03									#173
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Who should apologize Lonestar? CPSU was outlawed in 1991.
And apologize to whom? CPSU under Stalin mostly slaughtered population of its own country.

	31-03-2004 07:04									#174
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Putin, the people's president.

One of his drawbacks is that he is damn too gentle and indecisive.

	31-03-2004 07:05									#175
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quote: Happy people?

No, because now you're trying to hide the problem. If you don't admit that it exists, you can only make it worse.

	31-03-2004 07:06									#176
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quote: Originally posted by joncha I have no problem with a Hindu, for example, using a swastika as their religious symbol. The context changes the symbol. Just about anyone else who uses one is a neoNazi or a Hitler fanboy like Fez.

Well you are a Stalin fanboy.

mitchell, **** off. I am not a nazi. Don't even try to accuse me of being one. I hate Hitler, I hate his ideology and I think it is repulsive. As I hate Stalin.

	31-03-2004 07:06									#177
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Is there a short word for Spanish Fascist then?

	31-03-2004 07:08									#178
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Is there a short word for Spanish Fascist then?

I'm no fascist either.

	31-03-2004 07:10									#179
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Your an authoritarian nationalist, correct?

	31-03-2004 07:11									#180
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar yeah Tas, what's up with that? Why do you have the avatar of a guy who's running around shutting down the freepress?

Wrong. The press is still pretty much free. It is the free TV that he was shutting down.

On the other hand, TV as a blackmail tool in the hands of shameless oligarchs (as it was before) can hardly be considered 'free' either. I guess Russia has not yet had enough time to reach an American-style "understanding" between privately owned TV channels and the government.