03-05-2004 07:58									#31
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It really hurts.

250bc turn played

Giles stayed behind to axe the road. Fare thee well, Giles.

The remainder pulled back one tile - forted, and the cats let fly. Not bad. 8 hits. 4 sword - including their elite, and 4 spears.

Moved mercs and cats which were newly produced up to the front. 3 more mercs produced next turn.

Galley forted in Howler Monkey.

Fingers crossed.

Time for some diplomacy.....

	03-05-2004 08:21									#32
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You almost had me convinced to hold onto the Grill, but I think it is wiser to retreat.
It hurts yes... but IMO, it was the best decision.


Did you sell the walls before disbanding ?

	03-05-2004 16:20									#33
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yup - 2 gold.

	08-05-2004 14:18									#34
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I am soooo tempted to attack that CoD stack.

Anybody want to calculate the odds ?

Cod Stack is unfortified :
11 Swordsmen
4 spearmen
9 catapults .... Yummy

vs.

Monkey can attack with :
10 catapults
19 Mercs
1 archer
3 warrior



Our warrior must of been killed by a horseman, who then ducked back into the fog of war.
I think there must be a stack of CoD or Python horsemen on that tile.
But it cant attack from there, if we move our stack.

Definately move our stack to safety, and bomb away against python.

Do we attack ???

Even knocking out half of their swords may be worth it.

	08-05-2004 16:59									#35
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Does that 19 NM's include all the NM's that could move to that point in time and attack from the surrounding area?

Beta can you do the calc? I would be interested to see the odds.

And that stack is still wounded, correct? The Monty Stack? From last turn, when we popped them with cats.?

	08-05-2004 18:14									#36
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I am busy for the next few hours. Will do the calc later this aft. My gut tells me to attack. Lets see what the combat calcualtors say. Stay tuned...

	08-05-2004 19:47									#37
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19 mercs is everything that is in range to attack

A lot of the swords have 3/4 hit points
And we can hit the remaining ones with 10 cats before we attack.

I say the win / loss ratio will probably be in our favour.
We may not wipe them all out, but that stack would be hurting bad after we finished with it.

I am going to bed...

Whatever you guys decide, I will be fine with.

	08-05-2004 21:16									#38
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Beta

Im doing yard work all day.

Post the results and Ill check tonight.

If you can jump in to chat tonight that would be great.

	09-05-2004 04:56									#39
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Optional tactic ...

If you want to hide our losses, rename all of the mercs before the attack.

	09-05-2004 08:39									#40
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We have friends in town this weekend.Have drunk waaaaaaay too much wine, this aft and this evening. Will play teh turn tomorrow morning. Time for bed now.

	09-05-2004 16:55									#41
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Wow, Beta after drinking your spelling is about as good as mine

No problem, Im awake, but off to yard work gain. Gotta get the garden in today.

If we get a better than 50 50, I say attack.

I also say change all the names, that would be a good cover if we sustain a lot of casulties.

	09-05-2004 17:56									#42
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Calculating....

	09-05-2004 18:08									#43
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We are going to bomb with cats anyway.

Make that move first. Bomb. see how many 3/4 units they have left.

	09-05-2004 18:35									#44
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Hmmm - guests still here - so doing this in between chats. Wife is restless.

Back in a couple of hours.

The calc to take out 11 swords is around 85% . However, the 4 spears make a difference. 30% chance of success. Still not bad - and it still leaves lots of Mercs standing.

The odds are to take the entire stack. One-on-one odds (4 hp merc vs 3 hp swrod or spear) is 61%.

I say we attack.

	10-05-2004 00:37									#46
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Im making an offering of banana's and mango's to the RNG gods as we speak........

I pray for a lot of cat hit...............

*con continues to chew his finger nails*

	10-05-2004 05:07									#47
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230bc turn played

It was close fellow Monkeys. Very close. But still a pretty good result.

6 of 10 cats hit. Good start. All their units were down at least one hit point.

It then went as follows:

1. Archer Sting - dies - but elite sword down to 2 hp's.
2. Elite Ranger Joe kills spear.
3. Ranger Scotty defeats spear.
4. Ranger YYY defeats spear.
5. Ranger Alek - dies to spear.
6. Uma in her hot outfit - defeats sword.
7. Ranger No-Name dies to sword
8. Ranger Zak - (from Orang) defeats sword
9. Ranger Randy (from Orang) dies to sword
10. Ranger XXX defeats sword
11. Ranger Ivan defeats sword
12. Ranger Sylvester defeats sword
13. Ranger Con defeats sword
14. Ranger Steve defeats sword (and is promoted to elite)
15. Ranger Nik defeats sword
(at this point - we are on a roll, and I am smiling)
16. Ranger Jean Claude - dies
17. The Enamel Ranger (renamed) - dies
18. Ranger Cottage Kid - kills spear
19. The Macaqian (renamed ranger) - defeats sword.
There are now 2 wounded swords left
20. Ranger Joe (the 3/3 guy) - dies
That one really hurt. Hmmm- I then took the chance with the last two warriors (oh, for a couple more mercs or archers)
21. Warrior - dies
22. Warrrior - dies

So - they have two single HP elite swords left - and of course, their catapults.

We killed 9 swords and 4 spears. We lost 6 mercs, 1 archer, and two warriors.

Here is what our survivors look like. We are in OK shape - all things considered.

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...c-survivors.JPG

I suspect they will pull back one tile to slavage the catapults. It sure would have been nice to get them.

Now - were we set up. I can't see how they would have moved there without some inkling that we would attack. Maybe they are still underestimating our numbers. But I can't believe Arrian does not have something up his sleeve.

It will be interesing to see if this battle affects anything. Especially if we start our PR campaign.

Elsewhere in this turn - the worker on Monkey Island is roading. The other cities continue to build mercs and cats. You will also see from the pic that we have two more catapults and more mercs ready to reinforce the front.

So - that's it. Quite the battle.

Beta swipes the dust and blood from his tunic, and reaches into his pocket for some kiwis, and hands them out.

Here gentlemen, we deserve this.

	10-05-2004 05:23									#48
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Ummm ...

Ooops


You were supposed to move our stack 1 tile SW & then attack.

Leaving them there, they are open to attack by Python Horsemen coming from their Fort.
(Assuming they have horsemen - Which I think they do)

Good results anyway & well worth it.

Lets hope our stack is still alive when we get the turn back.



BTW..
From memory, we are strong to CoD & weak to Python.
Did this change after the attack ?

And I get the feeling, that this is Pythons war.
CoD may be sending some minor pillaging help, but little else.
So it's Python horsemen that I am worrying about.

	10-05-2004 06:45									#49
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wow thats gonna hurt Python

*cough, cough*

Um its sure a good thing we concentrated forces

*cough, Cough*



I have half a mind to follow them, if the horsies dont come forward, and my guess is Ariian is gonna think twice before trying to confront us with just horses.

If we move forward we will have one shot at attck before they get back to siamang.

But where is that other stack?

Didn't Mointy have another stack?

	10-05-2004 07:28									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Ummm ... Ooops You were supposed to move our stack 1 tile SW & then attack. Leaving them there, they are open to attack by Python Horsemen coming from their Fort. (Assuming they have horsemen - Which I think they do) Good results anyway & well worth it. Lets hope our stack is still alive when we get the turn back.

Ooops is right. Sorry guys. And I did notice that earlier - but forgot all about when I went to play the turn.

I guess this will force the issue. If they want to use their catapults and gamble everything - in other words - shoot with the catapults and attack with horsemen - it will be interesting.

We still have 12 mercs on the tile. The average strength is just over two hit points. Assuming we are knocked down to an average of 2 hit points - and they attack with 15 horse - and we do not hit any with our catapults - they still only have a 14% chance of winning. The odds go up sharply for them if they have more horses there. Then again - we can probably count on 6-8 hits by catapults - which will knock them down to 3 hps. The calculator does not let you do a mixture of unit strengths.

Again - sorry about the tactical screw-up guys. H_E and con - in future - please take note. Make sure I know exactly what I should be doing - or you guys play the turn.

	10-05-2004 07:33									#51
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 wow thats gonna hurt Python *cough, cough* Um its sure a good thing we concentrated forces *cough, Cough*

Ok - the point is made.

	10-05-2004 07:45									#52
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 But where is that other stack? Didn't Monty have another stack?

They did. It was one tile 9 of the old Grill site - or 2 of Siege Perilous. It had two swords, 1 spear and 3 horse. Four of the 6 units were wounded. They probably stayed in position to heal.

Now - they have moved up a pile more horsemen into the city - I guess we will find out soon enough.

It will also be interesting to see how CoD responds to our attack. From what I can tell - they should not be in a position to attack. I expect they have a RoP agreement - but I still don't think they can be in a position to attack us next turn.

	10-05-2004 08:10									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Again - sorry about the tactical screw-up guys. H_E and con - in future - please take note. Make sure I know exactly what I should be doing - or you guys play the turn.

Nah we would rather just ***** at you when you screw up

No worries, I screwed up om Siamang, it still pisses me off because I remembered about an hour after I played the save.

Hell if any of us was REALLY taking this one seriously, we would have a standard turn order template and would not play with out it.

Dont sweat the load man. We still have that EliteNM, UNTOUCHED. Let CoD bring some horsies, its gonna hurt if they do

	10-05-2004 08:13									#54
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Yep - I think I calculated that they must have every sword in that stack. Thats another reason it needed to be destroyed.

It should be Horsemen vs Mercs from now on.
Unless they have invention, which is when we will see longbowmen.


We know that Python have at least 1 horsmen. It must of killed our lone warrior and then ducked back into the fog of war.

Thats my concern... how many horsemen are in the Fog of War....and can attack our stack.


And I agree with Beta.
CoD are weak to us in military.

If they are smart, they will stand back and let Python & Monkey fight it out.
And CoD are VERY smart as we all know.

I gotta get back to my propaganda.

And con ... get into Oct's ear.
They will get far better territory and results, if we join and fight CoD.
Lie if you have to
Tell them CoD is also "considering" our offer to attack North. But we would prefer to deal with Python.

	10-05-2004 08:17									#55
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Dont sweat it Beta.

Like con said ... we are not taking this seriously at all.

	10-05-2004 16:27									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Dont sweat it Beta. Like con said ... we are not taking this seriously at all.

Sure didn't feel like that when I was doing the attack yesterday.

H_E - there are two more swords out there in the other stack. I checked the previous save and it is clear. The 11 swords and 4 spear moved. The second stack stayed put or pulled back. It has two swords, 3 horse, and 1 spear. Unless they have been stacking reinforcements - we should be OK.

I still have worries about an amphibious landing - but we should be able to react in plenty of time.

	18-05-2004 07:30									#57
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Save is here. Looks like Pythin pulled back. IIRC they had two workers on that tile. It should be roaded by now.

	18-05-2004 14:12									#58
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Easy turn Beta ...

I have nothing to offer.

Retreat everyone to a barracks city to heal.

We may want to consider moving the warriors out onto horse island to start our sea barrior.

If you cant play... let me know, and I will do it.

	18-05-2004 18:13									#59
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210bc turn played

As per H_E's recommendation - all units pulled back to Orangutan and forted. I was tempted to move forward and see what was up with the catapults.

I have stationed a couple of mercs just sw of Orang - so that they can reach Macaque in one turn if need be. Still thinking galley landing. They are still in position to attack with the Orangutan group.

I have started a harbor on Howler Monkey - 40 turns. I can change this to worker (5 turns), but I was thinking when the GA ends, we will want to switch to republic sooner or later, and then we can rush the harbor to enable horsemen to be built on the mainland. If we stay in despotism - we can rush a few pop points over in the way of workers and rush them.

On the mainland side - Macaque can finish a harbor in 6 turns. However, it only has two sea tiles - and could be easily blockaded. Chimpanzee is our better bet. It will take 10 turns or so for a harbor there.

Moved the slider to 30%. Still at +25gpt. Also - it allows Macaque and Gorilla to grow. We need more workers and another settler, and when we drop out of the GA, we will need to re-jig our worrforces.

Our military:

Warriors - 3
Mercs/Rangers - 18 (5 more built in two turns)
Catapults - 11 (2 more out next turn)

We are average to CoD, and still weak to Python. It would appear that CoD continues to sit back, grow their infrastructure, and let Python carry the war.

Moved Willy off his mountain. He is on his way to Monkey Island. The Merc remains on guard duty.

	18-05-2004 19:04									#60
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Yes, I was kind of curious about chasing cats as well.

Guys, Im about to leave for Romania, Naval Reserve Stuff for two weeks, I leave Saturday.

Im supposed to have High Speed Internet access where Im staying but probably wont have a lot of time for CIV while Im gone.

Just wanted to let you know.