14-06-2004 18:43									#91
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Im back, Ill try and get caught up in a day or two.

Sounds like offensively for the enemy its been pretty quiet.

I wonder if they are waiting for reinforcements or waiting for Longbowmen?

More later when I have some time to look at the last save.

Things are about as normal as could be expected. I deal with death pretty well and unfortunately funerals are old hat for me.

The wife and a lot of the relatives are still basket cases however.

	15-06-2004 07:29									#92
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con - good to have you back. And glad (I think) that you deal with this well.

Still thinking of you and your family.

	15-06-2004 15:27									#93
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I have had a look.

I wish I left those cats one tile further south.
But I was worried that they could not reach & bomb from orangutan,

Dammit .. the galleys cant be bombed.
No worries.

The worse the galleys can do, is drop horsemen & spears south of ????
We need some mercs & maybe some cats down south.

Most likely, they will send the galleys to horse island first.
Horse island is now officially safe from attack.


Everything else ??
I say keep them back out of the cities, and ready to respond to wherewver the front line appears.

Play as you see fit Beta.
There is nothing special to do.

	15-06-2004 16:22									#94
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Understood. Will play later today after work. con - in the meantime - if you have any input, let me know. But I think H_E has it pegged. Thanks.

	15-06-2004 16:22									#95
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Thanks Beta. Yes, I really do deal with death rather constructively. A long story, I wont go into here.

OK lets talk a few turns out here. The COD galleys go to Monkey Island and then come back.

Can we position the cats at a point where we can take advantage of that when they return? Yet be able to cover the north? If we do bomb the he11 out of them what then? Is it safe to sink one with our remaining galley? Or is it better to leave them be? And leave the cats for the land forces. Just somepoints to ponder.

I just want you guys to think on this because I have not looked at the save yet. Too much diplo stuff at the ISDG's last night. Too much catch up.

	16-06-2004 07:55									#96
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Looks like you played already

I was going to suggest moving that large stack near the capito; one tile closer to the west coast, especially with no aggressive moves from Cake or Dress in the north.

Im with H_E, Id give my eye teeth to take a bunch of poop shots at those Cake galleys with our cats.

	16-06-2004 08:19									#97
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110bc turn played

Yup - played the turn. Kept the stack mostly where H_E had it. Moved some units into the capital. Name dthe archers Bopp, Wizz, and Zapp. Named the NM Ranger Yanina. Check out the Miss Universe web site for the refernce. Sorry H_E - but IMHO she should have won.

Monkey Island is now secure. I have Howler Monkey producing a settler for the second city on the island.

4 archers and a merc produced next turn. Anyone know when our GA is up?

And note my approach to Sunshine for engineering.

And maybe one controversial move. Not sure of it myself - the galley moved east two tiles (I think) and forted.

	16-06-2004 09:14									#98
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Hmmm interesting choice on the galley. It may survive two galleys attacking but not three would be my guess. If CoD attacks then I would be willing to bet money they have no units on board, unless they land em first.

BTW we need to name one of the nameless NM's Alek. I think we lost one of my sons in one of the previous attacks (We used to have an Alek, I think he bought the farm )

	16-06-2004 16:17									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Beta 110bc turn played Named the NM Ranger Yanina. Check out the Miss Universe web site for the refernce. Sorry H_E - but IMHO she should have won.

And everyone in Australia, are saying
Miss Who won a Miss What ??
& That crown is worth how much ????

	16-06-2004 16:40									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel And everyone in Australia, are saying Miss Who won a Miss What ?? & That crown is worth how much ????

Everyone in the conmcb25 household is pretty much saying the same thing

	18-06-2004 02:09									#101
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Following in Beta's foot steps, I wanted my 5000th post to be in the Monkey forum.

Im catching up quickly Beta, watch out

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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel And everyone in Australia, are saying Miss Who won a Miss What ?? & That crown is worth how much ????

Ok - so I am at a conference - in my hotel room - I have an hour before the gang meets for drinks in the bar. I am flipping through the channels and ... the swimsuit contest is on. Sorry folks, I had to watch.

	18-06-2004 05:49									#103
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 Following in Beta's foot steps, I wanted my 5000th post to be in the Monkey forum. Im catching up quickly Beta, watch out

With posts like this its no wonder.

And as to the galley move - I am certain there are troops on board (fingers crossed) - and hence they won't risk it.

To be honest - it was a careless move on my part.

	21-06-2004 08:05									#104
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Save is here. The CoD galleys headed for Monkey Island as you had surmised H_E. Not much they can do there.

I suggest we fort or galley in Chimpanzee.

Also - any thoughts in using another settler down south. Would add production - and deal with some barbs.

So - what are CoD and Python up to. I suspect they are waiting for longbows.

We will get engineering next turn - we now have to track down a deal for invention, or research it ourselves. ( to the last suggestion. I would guess that a continental civ will trade it to us for the right price.)

	21-06-2004 08:52									#105
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They are either going to "strangle us". (Not attack and just rex themselves into a dominent position)

Or wait for longbowmen as you said.
In which case, they are building a tonne of archers.

Populating the south ??
It will be unproductive tundra.
We will have to build roads... and also defend it..pulling troops far away from our Northern front.
I say wait a bit for now.

Beta .. just play the turn if there is nothing to discuss.
I havent seen it yet ... but it doesnt matter.

	21-06-2004 16:33									#106
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90BC Turn Played

Renamed archers StingII, Zing, etc.

Renamed NM in PC Ranger Alek.

Moved a few units around - but the main stacks stay where H_E had them.

Galley into Chimpanzee.

200 gold to Sunshine.

Bananas for all.

	21-06-2004 21:18									#107
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OK

I would eventually like the large stack one tile closer to the west coast.

That way if there galleys show up there we could fling them with Poo.

Thats only if it wont affect rapid deployment to our northern cities in case of a renewed attack.


Eventually Ill take a look at the save and recommend a position (if its possible).

The main thing we have going for us right now is our interior lines.

And may guess is if the CoD galleys headed for Monkey Island and no attack was possible (because we covered the beaches), then those units will show up in our rear eventually. (Arrian wont keep units floating around forever.)

	22-06-2004 05:09									#108
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con - the stack is situated so it can return to the front if required. I acknowledge that pasting the galleys would be good, especially if ours was around to finish off the wounded, but I don't think we should chance it. We will need all catapults when the charge from the north arrives.

Speaking of which - I forgot to mention - our trusty military advisor tells us that we are average to Python and strong relative to CoD. They really are letting Python do the back-breaking work here. Gotta wonder.

	22-06-2004 06:16									#109
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Master Zen wants us to make sure we have his updated e-mail address. (I had not updated my Latin Lover mailing list.)

It is:

civ@mzocentral.net

	26-06-2004 12:17									#110
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Beta,

I have had a quick look at the save.

First thought ...
Move our northern Merc to engage/scare off the workers.

Maybe ... load the archer or merc onto the galley, move the galley 2 tiles, and then drop the archer/merc next to that barb camp.
Next turn, we can 25g.

Maybe ... load the merc, and kill the barb horse with the archer ?

Thats it 4 now

	26-06-2004 20:46									#111
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70bc save played

Took H_E's advice. The northen mountain merc moved up one tile.

The archer in Chimp killed the barb horse. Ranger Buck landed one tile from the barb camp - and the aglley pulled back to within one tile of chimp. They should not be able to see it there - and I suspect they are going to check out the island first.

A worker and warrior swapped locations on the island.

Received engineering from Sunshine.

Asked Latin Lover about invention.

Three archers and another merc out next turn. Catapult produced this turn and called Muck Chucker.

That's it.

	30-06-2004 17:05									#112
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Save is here. I will play later today. Two interesting developments. CoD landed on the main continent - 5 horse and a spear. I say we still take out the barb.

Also - Python offered a peace treaty - but I suspect it is either an accident or an attempt to get arround ww. I presume any real peace initiative would have involved some communication.

Regarding the landing - I see it as a prelude to an attack from the north.

	30-06-2004 21:00									#113
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Hmmmmmmm

If I get a chance Ill take a look today. I had a feeling once they saw the island was covered they would land troops if they had them. Arrian was not going to let them float around forever.

Pilliage time is come. Hopefully we can hit this stack hard and still get up north in time.

	01-07-2004 03:46									#114
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I agree .. Take the barb camp.

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The biggest question is what do we do with our merc next to the barb village. We can easilt defeat the barb - and that puts us into a forest tile with the merc facing 5 horse and a spear. He will not be fortified. He has an 80% chance of defeating a single horse - but all five horses have a 90% chance of defeating him - and they can reterat from combat to heal again. It may hold them up a bit. But I'm sure we will lose the merc.

We would also get 25 gold.

Our galley can get the merc and itself back into chimpanzee this turn as an alternative option. And then - we will need to treat this force like intelligent and co-ordinated barbs from the south.

Thoughts?

btw - CoD is now average to us in military. As is Python.

Excluding workers we have 59 military units. There should be some large stacks showing up soon.

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50bc turn played

OK - I considered the odds, and the fact that the loss of merc means more to us than the loss of one or two horse to CoD. The merc is safely back in Chimpanzee.

Moved units around up north. We will need to be prepared to get some units into the southern cities. But the main bulk of our force stays within one move of Orangutan.

	05-07-2004 08:29									#117
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Save is here. Not much new. I presume CoD took out the barb encampment. One archer produced this turn. Renamed Buzz.

3 more archers, 2 mercs, and a catapult next turn. Think I will go ahead and play it.

30bc turn played

As above. The worker in the south has moved to road the tundra tile 7 of Baboon and 6 of Chimp. This will allow quicker unit movement between the cities if and when needed.

169 gold and plus 21gpt.

	10-07-2004 06:11									#118
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The save is here.

I opened it.

Golden Age just ended

Orabgutan went into disorder, probably because of no more GA boost

Still no sight of horse and spearman to the south.

And no sight of additional units to the north from the Lumberjacks.

Mr Happy is offering us Fuedalism. (Who is Mr Happy again? )

We need to spend time looking at WF assignments and also balanceing taxes vs luxuries and science. We cant afford more disorder.

Especially look at Primate Central

Right now at 10% luxuries, we have two happy, three content and two unhappy with growth next turn!

And here is the bad news

Right now at 0% science and 10% luxuries we have -10gpt

At o% lux's and 0% science we are at -7gpt.

We dont have enough cities generating enough commerce to cover all our units.

Sh1t!

Ideas?

We may have to switch to market production in Primate Central.

Its will boost commerce from 11 cpt to 16 or 17 cpt (I dont know if 50 % boost is rounded up or down ? )

That would cut our problem to a couple of gpt but without luxs we will have to use entertainers further reducing our overall commerce production

Any size 6 city will go imnto disorder if we go to 0% luxs.

Thats:
Gorilla
Macaque
Orangutan
PC

If we use an entertainer at each and 0% luxs we go to -12gpt

We need to build SEVERAL markets if we want to maintain this size of army.

And possibly expand cities to the south.

YES, I KNOW theres a war on. But thats reality.

Something tells me Arrian knew this as well.

Wait till the end of our GA, when we are in dire financial straits

	10-07-2004 06:17									#119
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Damn. Knew it was coming. Guess we have some work ahead of us.

Also - time to see if we can talk some others into a mini-crusade.

Will be looking at the save shortly. Watching the Tour de France right now.

	10-07-2004 06:17									#120
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Hey if we switch to Marketplace production in PC and Macaque, it will take 7 turns in PC and 12 turns in Macague.

What we need is a sim to tell us what the difference would be if we went to republic.

And during disorder we would NOT lose gold, correct? Disorder, I mean anarchy between governments.

But the unit upkeeps may kill us with no marketplaces as well in republic once we finally got there.

Ideas????????