05-05-2004 13:45									#241
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quote: You don't see people pushing others to believe in lepracauns, or kill others because lepracauns told them to, etc.

No of cource not, that would be absurd! But if any of you come out and claim that there's no Brownies...

	05-05-2004 13:50									#242
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Oh there is no disputing the fact that Brownies exist. We're to scared of you Swedes.

	07-05-2004 11:22									#243
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It all comes down to faith.
As a believer in the ALL MIGHTY I can say that death has no grip of fear on me.


I have never seen a athiest die without praying before they depart this life.

This is why I donot believe in Athiest

	07-05-2004 11:26									#244
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Outta curiousity how many atheists have you seen die.

Death has no grip of fear on me either.

	07-05-2004 11:42									#245
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Many, but I don't really keep a tab.

I am a true believer in the here after because of the experinces with death.

Heard many tell of the NDE.
Had one bout six months ago.
Drug OD.
No pulse, no respirations.
Dead but we were fortunate to have revived her.
The first thing she said out of her mouth was "I want to go back" when we revived her.
Couple days later while in the ICU recuperating she told me the story of the light and tunnel that so many have told before.
I asked her if she had believed in GOD before this and she replyed that "I do now" and left it as that.

True story!!!!!!!

This is not the only experince I have had with this.
So, yea it has only made my belief stronger.

Ashamed to admitt this but when I was younger I also did not believe.

That is in the past now.

I can only hope that most of you keep a open mind about this and go looking for your GOD in your own way that will make you comfortable.
Once you have opened your eyes to the possability it will all make sence then.
I understand GOD and everthing but have a hard time putting into words explaining to others.


Just keep an open mind

	07-05-2004 11:46									#246
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quote: I can only hope that most of you keep a open mind about this and go looking for your GOD in your own way that will make you comfortable. Once you have opened your eyes to the possability it will all make sence then. I understand GOD and everthing but have a hard time putting into words explaining to others.

Ok. Many kudo's for saying that paragraph right there Especially the first sentence. I have an open mind about it, I am an agnostic afterall.

	07-05-2004 11:48									#247
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I am a idiot.
I don't know what a agnostic is

	07-05-2004 11:51									#248
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A) One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
B) One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

	07-05-2004 11:52									#249
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I'm more B. Though I am somewhat apart of A aswell

	07-05-2004 11:53									#250
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Oh thank you.
I am work right now and donnot have my dictionary

	07-05-2004 11:56									#251
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No problem at all. Its basically someone who is not sure whether there is a God or not. I'm pretty much undecided on the issue. Though I have a feeling that I ever to make up my mind and happen to believe in a God it'll probably be a God of my own thought and not a God like the Christian God, if you follow what I'm saying.

	07-05-2004 12:09									#252
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it can be a lil confusing.

GOD is GOD.
Chistianity,Judisiam,muslems ect..ect.

It is all the same GOD.

that is what kills me.
They kill to see who they think GOD loves the most

How can you tell GOD you love him/her when you could not even love your fellow man?

To kill a human in the name of GOD has really gotta piss GOD off.

	07-05-2004 12:11									#253
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Well I must say this is one of the first religious people I know to actually speak some truth.

	07-05-2004 12:21									#254
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I beleive GOD wants his creations (humans) who can show compation and love to each other.


We claim to be the most intellegent species on this planet but we cannot even trust each other.

Love your fellow man.


This is what I mean when it all makes sence to me but I cannot explain it to others.

This is why we are so different?

could it be part of GODs plan to test our souls to see if we are made of love or hate?


is this what they mean by free will?

Think about it and make up your own mind.

It all makes sence to me.

	07-05-2004 12:23									#255
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oopps

My patients are calling me

gotta go back to work.
Ill check back in a bit.



Doc

	07-05-2004 12:35									#256
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Yeah. It is a rather crazy way to think of it.

"could it be part of GODs plan to test our souls to see if we are made of love or hate?"

In that case the majority of us has failed.

	07-05-2004 13:39									#257
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quote: In that case the majority of us has failed.

If that is the case then it saddens me


That may be what hell is........
to find out you were wrong.

Hard to go through eternity knowing you were wrong and as punishment GOD will not have anything to do with you.
Knowing that GOD is there and not able to communicate with the creater.



........something to think about

	07-05-2004 13:44									#258
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Eh I have a cynical view on human nature. I mean you look around and see quite a lot of hate around.

"Hard to go through eternity knowing you were wrong and as punishment GOD will not have anything to do with you."

Thats not particulary fair. Eternity is a rather long time after all. Why should you be punished for eternity for some ignorance you showed in 80 years of life?

	07-05-2004 14:53									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood I can only hope that most of you keep a open mind about this and go looking for your GOD in your own way that will make you comfortable.

If you actively out looking for a god of some sort, it will require you to have at least a predisposition towards believing in a god, if not some sort of outright belief.

A bit skewed in the worldview, wouldn't you say?

	07-05-2004 15:38									#260
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Docfeelgood: Yes, I do believe you when you say that quite a few atheists turns to belief in their final moments. But is that really a solid argument for anything? They are scared and do not want to take any chances. Is that any basis for true faith? It's more game theory as I see it.

	07-05-2004 15:45									#261
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Yes who's that guy that made that argument that its rationally prudent to believe in God. However I think his argument was proved to be invalid or something. But it makes you think.

	07-05-2004 15:50									#262
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Flip,

That's Pascal's Wager. It was shown to be invalid because there are many religions in the world.

	07-05-2004 15:53									#263
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Thats right. I remember now. We passed over him in a paper I did at the beginning of last year when we were arguing about the existence of God.

"If you actively out looking for a god of some sort, it will require you to have at least a predisposition towards believing in a god, if not some sort of outright belief."

Thats somewhat true.

	07-05-2004 16:04									#264
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Goddamn it finally happened to me. I got a double post.

	07-05-2004 16:20									#265
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Was it as good as you dreamed of it to be?

	07-05-2004 16:55									#266
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Surprisingly so.

	07-05-2004 22:04									#267
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quote: Originally posted by Flip McWho Thats right. I remember now. We passed over him in a paper I did at the beginning of last year when we were arguing about the existence of God.

Cool.

I remember the first humanities paper I did as a university student was an analysis of C.S. Lewis's Mere Christianity. I tore it apart, and got an A for it

	08-05-2004 04:04									#268
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quote: They are scared and do not want to take any chances

If they are so sure that there is no GOD then why be scared?

If there is dout then they acknowlege the fact that there may be a GOD.

If there beliefe in no GOD is as strong as my beliefe that there is a GOD then they should stay mute or honostly admitt that there may be a GOD.



I think people who don't believe are just looking for attention when the topic comes up.
A shock value you could say.
Something to argue about and to stand out from the norm.
Deep down in there heart they know that the possabilty is there.


its all a choice.
I don't have all the anwers but if you could see all of what I have seen it just might change your mind.

Going through life knowing that there is a GOD does make it more plesant and enjoyable

I look forward to meeting our creator.

I gotta lOOOOOng list of questions

	08-05-2004 04:06									#269
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Why do people need to believe in a God? I get by without any such belief. I've just accepted that human beings are incapable of ever coming to an answer about most things. But why worry about things you can't control?

	08-05-2004 04:11									#270
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Aye Agathon is right. People don't need God.