08-06-2004 05:01									#181
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Anzacs are great units especially when they become Elites

	08-06-2004 05:13									#182
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i only have 5.5.1 infantry... all you others have at least one stat better. aznacs are iirc 7.7.1, nipponese are 6.5.1... not sure about the others

	08-06-2004 05:55									#183
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No the Jap infantry has a 2 move rate which gives them a cracking unit all round

	08-06-2004 12:39									#184
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too bad their islanda arn't larger than 2 tiles, then they could use the movement

	08-06-2004 17:58									#185
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The production lines continue to pump out fighter bombers.

The training camps continue to pump out Marines.

It is a discussion that when we have a base on the Jappa Mainland we will start to rebase the fleet air corp, and replace them with fighter bombers. These multi versitile units will provide a mighty finishing blow to the Jappaman.

Iwo Jima 5 May 1943
5th Fleet and 9th Army Air Corp are on the job.

Late the previous evening the 5th Fleet slipped the harbour and with the coming dawn will begin the Bombardment of Toyko City.

The from 4am the engines of 9th Army Air Corp have been winding up, as the bomber sqds, fighter bomber sqds and fighter escort sqds headed of for the many attack runs.

Tokyo would fall this coming day.


and so it begins

The Harbour has been destroyed

6 Destroyers and the Marine Transporter "The Decider" rushed the beaches and the ruined harbour. The Marines paid a bloody price...

And Tokyo has fallen.

It must be noted the the Wonder "Smiths Trading Company" has been captured in tack. At this time we are quite unsure whether we will be able get this wonder operational. Yet we are quite delighted enough that Jappa will no longer have the benefit of this wonder.

Next in came the transporter "Jolly Roger" with its load of Flak units. Poor old Jappa, imagine his surprise when he counter attacks with his air corp and there are 4 fresh Flak units stading guard in the city.

And from Manila, the first Fighter Bomber sqd flew into Toyko airport. We are here and we are here to stay.

and the units poored in for the rest of the month.

the garrison is well stocked, gin, whiskeys, all sorts of beers, and some great brandy's, thansk to 5th fleet stores, those Navy boys know how to make war. so Jappa will have a few issues if they want to take Tokyo back.... my lads are quite posessive of their drink

With the fleet air corp sitting off shore running combat air patrols, this area is quite a busy place.

We also have seven subs scattered along the coast, quite a picket line protecting the 5th Fleet.

Jappa has moved their seat of parliament to Sapparo on their far northern home isle.

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	08-06-2004 18:02									#186
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Bravo!! well done

	08-06-2004 18:10									#187
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congratulations on taking tokyo!

i'm sure you can hold it... the northern city will have to pass hills (losing movement) and the other 2 cities can be cut off easily by getting rid of the roads

actually guys, i'm a little disappointed with this sid level. all the benefits (lots of cheap units) obviously hasn't helped japan at all. i wonder what the cities were building... probably things like universities when they'd need MP battallions and bombers

	08-06-2004 23:54									#188
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yes this AI is a joke

results of operation clean-up:

Komi fell to the marines

Pusan fell to the paratroopers

Hsinking was shelled and then fell to the tank rush, which pushed on and took Harbin. Having an army makes all the difference

4 cities

Paratroopers landed on the Nagasaki gold mines. The city is defended by a flak, unless the war is over by June, Nagasaki is ours.

	09-06-2004 02:27									#189
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CM (last player may) or i (first player june) will know if the game is over yet

	09-06-2004 15:37									#190
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looking forward to playing this with a human player for Japan

maybe remove the set alliances

or rearrange them a bit

	09-06-2004 16:12									#191
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would you be up for japan?

changing alliances probably wouldn't work. i can't imagine any fair redistribution. from pure power point of view maybe netherlands could join japan, but most cities start undefended and with the most powerful commonwealth right next door.

we could otherwise maybe let the AI play netherlands or the US. or just find a 5th player to join in.
another possibility would be to cheapen japanese units or give them more to start with (maybe artillery and bombers).

or, we could try something different. maybe a 4/6 civ locked alliance game. a map (which everybody knows from the beginning), 2 teams with 2 or 3 players each and an medieval or industrial start...

	09-06-2004 16:21									#192
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umm, you might like to do some history research before you next ask an Aussie to play the Jappa in this time of the world

I would like to participate, but I would not be willing to play the Jappa during such a time

I am willing to admit that I am the Japanese in a random pbem game, and I chose to be the Japanese in an epic pbem game.

Thank you.

I think it would be best to have a player for each country.

the AI is not responsible enough to play any of the countries.

as to your last option, well that is a whole other game / issue all together then

	09-06-2004 16:51									#193
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i didn't mean it as insult in any way! sorry if i offended you!

	09-06-2004 23:05									#194
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The same could be said for anyone from America Britain and lots of other places regarding the Japs of WW2 !!

Especially as its still within living memory of many families older relatives.

Ive played in a 5 human game of this scenario and I can tell you Japan needs no help, it is by far the most powerful player in this game. In the hands of a competant player we would really have our work cut out for us, and the game I spoke of Japan won by VP's within 13 turns.

If you think back a ways in this scenario I bombed Japs only oil resource early on, and he never made any real attempts to reconnect it or gain another, since then we have been fighting against a Japan with no oil and no wayb to replace lost oil requiring units.

Denying Jap its oil is the key to this game, if you can achieve that then its only a time thing, but thats going to be much harder with a determined and competant human player.

I do think however that if we do try this with 5 plasyers we need to get a grip over personal feelings about the past, it is only another game of civ after all.

	09-06-2004 23:34									#195
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i think i'm turning japanese, i think i'm turning japanese.. i really think so!

	10-06-2004 01:13									#196
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5 games of this scenario? ... doesn't it ever get boring?

i agree that a human player can do a hell lot more as japan. for example, one main idea of the game was that japan can play the first turn and totally destroy pearl harbour. now i don't know what losses redboy suffered, but i doubt pearl harbour was weakened very much...

but 13 turns VP-victory? and i was thinking of giving japan sid-level bonuses (cheaper production, more unit support) while the others play "normal"

quote: we need to get a grip over personal feelings about the past, it is only another game of civ after all.

true. i never had problems playing the nazis in wargames or terrorists in counterstrike. after all, it's just a game.
but some relatives of mine (i'm part bosnian) react very very aggressive or nervous to anything that has to do with serbs during the war time. although this was only 9 years ago and WW2 is 60 years over, i still can understand paddy...

smellymummy, does that mean you'll accept the challenge?

	10-06-2004 01:45									#197
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@ smelly

Yes I too understand Paddy's feelings and I know it is very personal to him. I am not suggesting he is wrong, just that we need to remember to respect the player of the Japs as just that : a player!

No one would volunteer if he she thought they were to be treated with contempt

	10-06-2004 01:46									#198
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saying that though Ill still call them the filthy Japs

	10-06-2004 01:47									#199
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nah, that was just a song

although I wouldn't mind getting into another game, and if you need someone to play as jap, please invite me

	10-06-2004 01:49									#200
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and allow me to stay clear of the whole nation vs nation personal conflicts, unless we're playing then I can be a filthy racist pig... and it would be okay, right?

	10-06-2004 02:39									#201
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as long as the thread isn't closed because of what you say, i don't really mind

where's the save now?

	10-06-2004 03:01									#202
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	10-06-2004 03:02									#203
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	10-06-2004 03:03									#204
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	10-06-2004 03:04									#205
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	10-06-2004 03:05									#206
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	10-06-2004 03:08									#207
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hurrah!

was a fun game

	10-06-2004 03:09									#208
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And the good old hall of fame thingy

It says my name but this is an allied win, it just went over the VP win on my turn is all.

Its been a good game but as we know the AI is a bit of a let down.

If they had oil on their home islands would things be different ?

Im sending the save ahead to sabrewolf anyway as I would like to play on for a few more turns and see how fast we can finish the Japs off in. I will accept others wishes to stop though if that be the case

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	10-06-2004 03:10									#209
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sweet

so netherlands will go into the history books as the nation that captured 2 whole islands!!! and participated in about... uhm... let's say... 3000 VPs of the total 40'000

so, do you guys want to rest now after this game or do you want a restart with human as japan?

	10-06-2004 03:16									#210
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Personally Id like to play this one out first, as in wipe out Jap totally to see how fast it can be done, but Ill go with the herd and start fresh when everyone is up for it