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Even on this forum I've seen a good deal of anti-Islam sentiment, some stuff bordering on Islamophobia and generally heightened hostility. On my BNP thread people have even talked about an inferior culture!  .
So anyway I think it comes down to this. Bitterness about 9/11. Understandable, and probably enough to attack terrorists, but not an entire religion/culture. IMO, one should address the causes of terrorism, not get emotional about terrorism itself to solve the problem, but that's sidetracking.
I think that some of the aspects of Muslim culture don't appeal to many in the West. Subjugation of women, more depotism for example. I don't think that constitutes an inferior culture of course, merely a different one. Tweak things a little this end, or take away some of our creature comforts and civilisation will revert back to a more primal state anyway. These things are, as Iago said in Othello; "trifles light as air". Cultural relativism would seem to apply also.
We also have a history of disliking Muslims, going back to the royal ass-whooping the West got in the Crusades, which has to play a part in it.
Thoughts?
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4. The general impression the Muslims give of whining and refusing to take blame on anything. I think many people are mightily pissed by Muslims seemingly thinking their misery is only due to the West, and they are owed prosperity.
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Agreed, but is that a Muslim trait, or a human one?
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3. The strong presence of radical religion, which is much more worrisome than even the hellholes of Christian bigotry such as the US, and sometimes even on par with Uganda.
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Agreed, but again on that front. Radical Islam is a relatively new phenomenon, and we can see a correleation between its growth, and certain events in the history of the West that caused that growth.
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2. The "less appealing aspects of their culture" as you put it nicely. Indeed, I am not fond of people who subjugate their women, go figure...
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Agreed and ditto, but then I won't hold it against them. If my neighbour spanks his kids and I don't, does that change the friendship I have with him. I think that is a tough one for some, and with reason perhaps, but for me, the answer is no, culturally speaking, to each his own, I just wish they would do something about the persecution, but I wouldn't force it on them.
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Whaleboy
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Well lets see, under their law Gay people like me would be put to death.... that alone would get me not to likeing them, if they want me dead literally according to direct religious law....
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Oh don't worry, some would kill me on sight too, being white, bisexual and Jewish. Of course, my half-dozen or so Muslim friends haven't thus far  .
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I'm also a very anti-religion person, too much in religion has been corrupted, I would rather see the Muslims go before the Christians... I mean have you ever heard of a non-Fundamentalist Muslim?
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 Well yes! Some of the cleverest people I know as a matter of fact.
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Their religion REQUIRES Fundamentalism, not suggests it.
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No really, I am interested in hearing your argument for that! *lights cigarette*
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If an once glorious culture falls behind, its people won't be happy and will try to catch up. Japanese, Chinese, Indians, and Russians all had their painful episodes. Some of them, especially the Chinese and Japanese, had suffered far more at the hands of Westerners. But they tried to learn from their former enemies, they tried to find a solution to improve societies, and they have turned things around today.
But how are Muslims responding today? By murdering women and children, blowing up restaurants, shooting up schools, hijacking airplanes and flying them into buildings. The Arab media (or Muslim media in general) never admits that its culture and society need reforms . Instead they blame incessantly on "Crusader-Israeli" conspiracies. The people don't search for solutions to overcome their current weakness, instead they look for maniac means (suicide bombings, terrorism) to blackmail the rest of the world into giving what they want. A bunch of Islamic fools just attacked Thailand, a very peaceful Buddhist nation with no imperial history.
There are Arabs and other Muslims who have recognized the problem, but their voice is completely drowned out by the "Jihads", "Fatwas", and other similar BS streaming out of the Wahhabist camps. Every Muslim I know of are still trying to find all the excuses for suicide bombers, another sign that these people don't get it.
The only reason that prevents B-52s from carpet bombing their cities is the general benevolence of the Western society. But that benevolence is wearing thinner and thinner with every attack. So far Europe except Spain has been spared such attacks, but I believe it's only a matter of time. The fools still haven't realized how dangerous their situation is. If the Euros are sufficiently pissed off by their acts, I don't see anything that can prevent the rest of the world to gang up on them. Then there wouldn't be much left of their culture or people. How humiliating would it be if Israelis are raising the David Star flag on top of Mecca?
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The Arab media (or Muslim media in general) never admits that its culture and society need reforms . Instead they blame incessantly on "Crusader-Israeli" conspiracies.
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And the West blames terrorists .
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The people don't search for solutions to overcome their current weakness, instead they look for maniac means (suicide bombings, terrorism) to blackmail the rest of the world into giving what they want. A bunch of Islamic fools just attacked Thailand, a very peaceful Buddhist nation with no imperial history.
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You honestly think that the people as a whole are terrorists?
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A bunch of Islamic fools just attacked Thailand, a very peaceful Buddhist nation with no imperial history.
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A bunch of terrorists. They are as human as they are Muslim in that regard.
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There are Arabs and other Muslims who have recognized the problem, but their voice is completely drowned out by the "Jihads", "Fatwas", and other similar BS streaming out of the Wahhabist camps. Every Muslim I know of are still trying to find all the excuses for suicide bombers, another sign that these people don't get it.
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Then you need to send feelers beyond the OTF
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The only reason that prevents B-52s from carpet bombing their cities is the general benevolence of the Western society. But that benevolence is wearing thinner and thinner with every attack. So far Europe except Spain has been spared such attacks, but I believe it's only a matter of time. The fools still haven't realized how dangerous their situation is. If the Euros are sufficiently pissed off by their acts, I don't see anything that can prevent the rest of the world to gang up on them. Then there wouldn't be much left of their culture or people. How humiliating would it be if Israelis are raising the David Star flag on top of Mecca?
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That's only the beginning. Islamophobia will get much much worse if the terrorists keep murdering people. Unfortunately, most Muslims don't realize what danger these terrorists will bring to their culture and lives.
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Whaleboy
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So conservatives on both sides BS about the other!
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Do you know that majority of the people in Muslim countries think suicide bombings are justified? This attitude alone makes me despise them all.
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If you were in their situation, you'd probably do exactly the same! Ironically, I wouldn't because I'm a pacifist . Fundamentally though, its a human response that we can logically predict. The issue of justification is irrelevant. To every cause there is a consequence and this is no different: a consequence. Suicide bombings aren't some evil demon that randomly dropped out of the sky.
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Exactly, there are Muslims, and Muslims are murdering and destroying in every corner of this planet, from North America to Europe to Russia, from South America to Africa to Southeast Asia.
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Wrong, they are humans doing the same, but do we call them human terrorists? Would you call me a pacifist terrorist if I exploded myself in the name of world peace? That is (on two levels) what is going on here, yet we persist in scapegoating Muslims.
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They are the troublemakers of the world. If they don't change their behaviors, then the world will make sure they stop.
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I wont waste my words telling you that is ridiculous, instead I would ask you what you propose?
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Geez, I just can't understand why you liberals are trying to find every excuse for some loonies.
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As a Jew, several members of my family were killed during the holocaust. It is my opinion that I should do my best to curb the kind of thinking that caused it, for it is that aspect of human nature that remains the same for people like Lord Merciless and Thorn, and the German people of the 1930's and 40's. I am still somewhat perplexed as to why the Jews did not react as some Muslims react today (explained somewhat by specific sociological conditions), history would certainly not have judged them unkindly if they did. As for the Muslims, the jury is very much still out, though if the conservatives have their way, history will ironically judge the terrorists favourably .
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Don't be so harsh toward the Americans... |
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Well, I'd like to see how the French flock to Le Pen after several blocks of Paris have been levelled by Muslim terrorists. Believe me, this day will happen.
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I don't doubt that the suffering wrought by the West in phony vengeance will do the world great harm, but I blame the perpetrators not the scapegoats. |
Again the leftist brain-washing showed its affect on you: " please, please, beat me up, rough me up, since it's all my fault!"
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