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From my local paper

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By Monica Polanco

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Wednesday, May 5, 2004

Sherrell Ingram has too much in common with her chosen high school prom guest: They're both girls.

A policy at Lago Vista High School prohibits students attending the prom from buying tickets for guests or dates of the same sex.

"It's supposed to be a special night that you're supposed to share with people you like to be around," said Sherrell, a 16-year-old junior. "If they're setting limits on who you can and can't bring just because of their sex, it's not going to be great anymore. It's not going to be special."

When Ingram's mother asked for an explanation, she said a teacher told her that officials were afraid that there could be trouble at the prom if male students brought male friends who don't attend the school.

Ginger White said she told Principal Donna Larkin that the policy was discriminatory, but that Larkin refused to rescind the rule.

Now, a civil liberties group has asked Larkin to reconsider the policy and has threatened to sue if Larkin doesn't repeal the rule by Friday. The prom is May 15, four days after Sherrell's 17th birthday.

"I think a policy like this is something so exceptional -- in most schools in this country, a student who is a junior or senior gets to chose who to bring to the prom," said Judith Schaeffer, deputy legal director of People for the American Way. "In either case, the proms go on just fine. The sky doesn't come crashing down. The idea that a lawyer had to get involved here is really very sad."

Barbara Qualls, Lago Vista's school superintendent, declined to comment, citing the threat of litigation. Larkin could not be reached for comment.

Sherrell Ingram, who helped organize the prom, noticed a sign detailing the rule against same-sex prom ticket purchases last month, just as her mother was about to buy her and her best friend tickets. Sherrell and the girl have been best friends since the sixth grade, when Sherrell moved to Texas. Sherrell said she is not a lesbian, but has gay friends and thinks the policy discriminates against them.

"I was like, 'Whoa, Mom, read this,' " Sherrell said. "Isn't that illegal?" she recalled asking her mother, who works in the school cafeteria.

White, a single mother of four who describes herself as an opinionated person, began asking questions. She learned that Sherrell's friend could attend the prom if a boy bought her ticket. She thinks the school implemented the policy after an openly gay student attended a homecoming dance in September.

"I'm an emotional person, so I didn't take it very well," White said. "I told her I would take care of it. I'm doing what I can by my means."

White called Schaeffer, who sent Larkin a four-page letter explaining why People for the American Way thinks the policy is discriminatory. The rule violates a federal law, Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, which bans any federally funded education program from discriminating on the basis of a person's sex, according to the letter, dated Monday.

The letter also says the policy violates the constitutional rights of the school's gay and lesbian students.

"As an educator, you should be doing everything you can to make gay students feel less threatened in their schools and communities, not adopting policies such as this that are so harmful to them and that send the message to them that they are second-class citizens," the letter states.

If the principal were afraid that outside male guests would cause trouble at the prom, she could hire security, the letter claims. The policy's logic is flawed because it allows the presumed troublemakers -- boys who don't attend the school -- to attend if they were invited by a girl, the letter adds.

White said she has been through four proms at the school and is not aware of any problems associated with those parties. Sherrell said she has not been able to find a boy who would buy her friend's ticket, even if Sherrell paid for it.

"If the school doesn't change their policy, she will not be able to come," Sherrell said.

Still, the prom must go on. Sherrell considers the prom her birthday present. She hasn't bought her dress yet, but she has her eye on a black dress adorned with white flowers along the back and the bodice.

Sherrell said her family will not drop the issue if the policy is not changed by next year's prom. She has a younger sister, Channelle, a sophomore.

"If they have the same policy next year, we'll be going through the same thing," Sherrell said.



What type of message does this send? Gee just because you feel the way you do and we don't and won't understand it then you really don't matter and neither do your feelings. If you don't conform then your not the norm

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"You can invite anybody you want as long as you're not of the same sex". Wow. The security excuse is ludicrous, because girls can continue to invite some male thug. It is pure antigay policy here, somthing really impressive.

The authorities are actually making an effort to restrict same-sex relationships. That line of thinking is impressive, even if the particular incident is nil.

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Forkers. Down with all bigots.

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Yep -- it's the end of the world if gay students are allowed to bring their date to the prom -- up there with third world dictators stocking up on WMDs.

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Anti-gay people make me so angry.

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And they make me love my wife less.

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It's part of our gay agenda to "convert" hapless teenagers to homosexuality, thus psychologically ruining their lives.

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Even if for this particular girl the point is moot, still who are they to tell anyone who they can and can't bring. I couldn't copy it but there was also a letter handwritten by a teacher to this particular student chiding her for wanting to have a same sex prom date.

Whether you agree with same sex anything or not......HELLO!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up and smell the freeekin coffee this would be AMERICA where you are supposed to have choices isn't that why we supposedly have a democracy? No one should be told how to feel or that the way the feel is invalid!

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Gays make me love Tiamat less.

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Gays make me love Tiamat less.


Yaaay!!!

To play devil's advocate:

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Wake up and smell the freeekin coffee this would be AMERICA where you are supposed to have choices isn't that why we supposedly have a democracy?


Is the prom a choice? a right? No, it's a privilage. If the idiots running the school want to ban gays from coming to the prom that is within their power until the student body and the school board say otherwise. That is where the issue should be brought up, of course. Still, America is not about having choices, it's about having opportunity. Your choices are limited to that which the MAJORITY of society allows.


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No one should be told how to feel or that the way they feel is invalid!


No one is saying that, nor is anyone trying to govern her feelings so don't try to make it into that. Whether or not they are invalid? Hmmm, expression of them are not desired by the school, I wouldn't say that doesn't make them valid, just unwanted.

Sadly.

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Is the prom a choice? a right? No, it's a privilage. If the idiots running the school want to ban gays from coming to the prom that is within their power until the student body and the school board say otherwise.


If you ignore the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment...

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Gays make me love Tiamat less.



To quote Riff Raff from Rocky Horror Picture Show......

"You don't love me.......you never loved me!!"

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Is the prom a choice? a right? No, it's a privilage. If the idiots running the school want to ban gays from coming to the prom that is within their power until the student body and the school board say otherwise.



Ahhhhhhh but there's the rub now isn't it. They never ever said anything about gay's per se, they just said to people of the same sex. Can you say loop hole or technicality.

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Can they? I am sure they have some guy friends, get them to take them (double date)... maybe even a male gay couple... That would be great!

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This is the only reason that could be acceptable:

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When Ingram's mother asked for an explanation, she said a teacher told her that officials were afraid that there could be trouble at the prom if male students brought male friends who don't attend the school.


If it weren't for this

Median resident age: 42.8 years
Median household income: $57,527 (year 2000)
Median house value: $143,500 (year 2000)
White Non-Hispanic (89.0%)
Hispanic (7.9%)
Other race (2.4%)
Two or more races (1.7%)
American Indian (1.0%)
Black (0.8%)
High school or higher: 90.8%
Bachelor's degree or higher: 33.2%
Graduate or professional degree: 8.6%
Unemployed: 3.9%
Mean travel time to work: 35.5 minutes
Never married: 14.2%
Now married: 62.7%
Separated: 0.4%
Widowed: 10.1%
Divorced: 12.6%


Man, it sounds just like Compton!



What, are they afraid of a redneck rumble?

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yeah it would but did you read. All the guys know about her point of view and none of them are willing to help her buy a ticket.

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If you ignore the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment...


if thats the case then 10 year olds can drink while driving. Priviledges are not rights.

other then that, I think what the school is doing is stupid.

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You'd think we could go ten minutes here without another gay whining thread.

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You know, David Floyd, Ramo, and a few others live near there (Lago Vista is in the same county as Austin (Travis County)). Perhaps they've heard something that we haven't?

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if thats the case then 10 year olds can drink while driving. Priviledges are not rights.


The courts see being a minor or being able to drink as a very different thing from being gay. See the recent Texas sodomy case.

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She should team up with a gay guy and then they could bring one another's dates there.

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You'd think we could go ten minutes here without another gay whining thread.


Why? It's the major civil rights issue in America today.

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Why? It's the major civil rights issue in America today.


I happen to disagree. I think that the treatment of Hispanics is the major civil rights issue in America today. But, they don't whine so good yet so its not the hot topic.

Gays go around looking for things to cry about. Histronics.

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Hispanics (particularly immigrants) are treated like ****, but they can still get married, adopt, etc.

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Gays go around looking for things to cry about. Histronics.


Right, we have to go looking for issues.

If your head wasn't so far up your butt, you might actually see something.

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Right, we have to go looking for issues.

If your head wasn't so far up your butt, you might actually see something.


Well, what I have observed from my perspective is that just about every thread lately is either gay related from inception or gay infested by the end of the first page.

Folks complain that CNN and Fox have too much of a right wing perspective, can't I complain that the gay perspective is a little over done here?

I think I can complain, right. It's that right as precious as the right for two guys to go around buggering each other?

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gay "infested"????

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