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****, I remembered the Trojan Horse being at the beginning of the Odyssey for some reason. That's what I get for reading them back to back...

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the trifecta

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Well if the Horse was at the beginning of the Odyssey, then the Illiad would have had a piss poor ending, wouldn't it?

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Actually, a quick search on the web seems to indicate that I was right...

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By closing with the burial of Hector, Homer leaves us with a feeling of great loss. Hector has his glory: is body is finally given the respect it deserves, and he dies beloved and praised by his people. But we also know that his people are doomed, and that the cease-fire granted by Achilles is only a postponement of the inevitable. Although its citizens have been loyal to the gods, the city of Troy will perish, and the Achaeans will deal with her people brutally. At times, Homer glorifies aspects of war, depicting its power to call out the best of his heroes. Under the conditions of warfare, men find previously unknown sources of courage, sacrifice, and loyalty. But Homer finishes the Iliad with a funeral for a great man, attended by his ill-fated people, and the tone is overwhelmingly one of sorrow. Significantly, the last glimpses of both the Achaeans and the Trojans show both groups in mourning, and the very last moments of the poem depict the doomed Trojans rather than the victorious Achaeans. Our last memory of the Iliad is of this doomed people, who have already lost so much and now must mourn their champion. And still, even after all that the Trojans have endured, we know that the worst of their suffering is yet to come.


http://www.gradesaver.com/ClassicNo...liad/summ6.html

Fool indeed...

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The Trojan Horse WAS in the Illiad, fool!



The Iliad ends with a truce between the Achaeans and the Trojans, with Achilles still alive, having tendered the corpse of slain Hector back to the Trojans, and with the funeral rites of Hector, 'tamer of horses'.

(Book XIV, Priam and Achilles)

Clippety clop, no hoss.

http://www.2020site.org/trojanwar/endilliad.html

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Ah, son of a *****. But Homer was the one who wrote about the Trojan Horse... so the main point still stands . The fact it was in the Odyssey is only a minor point... like Shelob being in the TTT instead of the ROTK. That doesn't mean that the movie ROTK wasn't based on the book ROTK.

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so the main point still stands


I thought your main point was that the whole movie was based on the Illiad?

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Lots of people wrote about the Trojan Horse, and it's debatable whether the Homer of the Iliad and the Homer of the Odyssey are one and the same person.

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How's life in Ukkake Bay, DT? Have they cleaned it up yet?

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The poor girl's still working on it, joncha...

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*ahem*

So... Troy... yeah, good movie.

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No, my main point was that Troy the movie is based on Homer's work and therefore it is critisizable as not being consistent with it... just as any other movie based on a source is critisizable when it moves away from it.

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... so the main point still stands ..


That you think you know your 'Iliad' butcha don't, Blanche?

Homer didn't have exclusive rights on Troy, or the Trojan Horse, neither, guv'nor, nor was he the onlie begetter.

Like Shakespeare's 'Hamlet' and Marlowe's 'Dr. Faustus' there's an earlier myth/story, 'the Story of Achilles', or 'the Achilleis'.

Livy and Apollodorus and Dionysus of Halicarnassus are responsible for the characterization of noble Aeneas, carrying Anchises upon his back, and surviving the Sack of Troy.

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Aeneus is not integral...read on if you want to know what his bit part was

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As Paris helps people into the escape tunnel, he catches a boy who's helping an old man out. He gives the boy the sword of Troy and tells him that as long as it is in Trojan hands, the people of Troy will always have a home, or will always survive, or something like that. I really liked that they threw it in.

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As I said, Roman propaganda.

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Why? It only solidifies that the Romans were losers .

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I can't ever imagine a story being passed down these days like that. I mean, imagine if France walked into Britain and completely ransacked the entire country. It had been a country of brave warriors, some of the best of their time. Then only like 1,000 or so people survived, and went on to found the United States. Thus, the U.S. is created by a bunch of losers who got their asses whooped.

Somehow, I can't ever imagine that. We'd be ashamed to even suggest that we were descended from losers.

EDIT: Damn you Imran!

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Thus, the U.S. is created by a bunch of losers who got their asses whooped.

Somehow, I can't ever imagine that. We'd be ashamed to even suggest that we were descended from losers.



As opposed to being created by slave owning would be aristos, religious bigots and convicts and refugees.

There was a great vogue in Australia for locating your ancestry on the First Fleet- as if being descended from transported convicts necessarily conferred some strange nobility upon you.

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The short and sweet beats the better explained every time .

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As opposed to being created by slave owning would be aristos, religious bigots and convicts and refugees.


I believe the correct term is "Pilgrims"

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I believe the correct term is "Pilgrims"


Also known as fun destroying killjoys, who ended up producing Tipper Gore, Pat Robertson and Andrea Dworkin.

Still, at least Europe dumped a load of rubbish.

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Still, at least Europe dumped a load of rubbish.


And yet still has so much.

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I'm probably going to see this film this week, I'm also gonna start reading the Odyssey soon. Homer-tastic!

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Also known as fun destroying killjoys, who ended up producing Tipper Gore, Pat Robertson and Andrea Dworkin.


And me. Score one for the religious nuts...

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Me too, if I don't see "The Passion" instead.

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See Troy, at least its slightly based on history

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Haven't seen the film yet. I want to see it just because my name is Achilles and I want to see how bad my namesake is portreyed.

Homer's epic could never be represented by any such film. However, as it has already been mentioned, the whole idea behind the poem is 2 things:

1. Every man's fate is set by the gods
2. All that matters in the world is fame after death.

You can find the Illiad here

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Also known as fun destroying killjoys, who ended up producing Tipper Gore, Pat Robertson and Andrea Dworkin.

Still, at least Europe dumped a load of rubbish.


I was going to say something, but you're Australian and probably descended from some crazy British criminal, and I like living.

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1. Every man's fate is set by the gods
2. All that matters in the world is fame after death.


Well, they got the second one right...

I really did enjoy it. I thought it was a decent movie, and since I've never read the Iliad, I didn't really have a problem with most of the story. From a moviewriting aspect, there's a lot they couldn't do because it wouldn't fly with mainstream USA, and since it cost $200 Million, that's who needs to see it.

Plus, it's artistic interpretation. If you want to have the real Iliad, go read it.

Of course...there was a lack of character developments, loose love stories, complete lack of anything godlike, had actors that couldn't act, etc etc etc...

I'll give it 2 1/2 outta 4

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Haven't seen the film yet. I want to see it just because my name is Achilles and I want to see how bad my namesake is portreyed.
You nutty Greeks.

 
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