29-05-2004 20:16									#91
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Crud...the download demo server is busy & I can't log on.

	29-05-2004 20:30									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Really? Tell me more... if I can just stick the CD in and press "upgrade from win98" that would be peachy. -Jam

It was a long time ago that I did it, so I don't really remember. I think you just put the CD in run the isntall program from windows 98 and it will give you the option of 'upgrading'. You still have to go through the usual process of installing an OS like updating all your drivers and stuff, however.

	29-05-2004 20:36									#93
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It's less hassle in the long run anyway since win98 needs to be reinstalled more often. People that sit there forever with one install getting more and more sluggish deserve their fate.

	29-05-2004 20:43									#94
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I don't think I've installed XP from scratch, actually. I'm pretty sure I'm running on the upgrade I did from 98 almost two years ago. I always reinstalled 98 every 4-6 months, though.

	29-05-2004 21:09									#95
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Precisely. Win2k and XP are much better in that regard, though I still do an annual wipe and reinstall because I'm fussy like that.

	29-05-2004 21:20									#96
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Ah... I've been happily formatting the HD and re-installing twice a year...

Arrgh...

But what if SMAC fails to load?

(Sorry, threadjacked and completely changed to "Jamski and XP")

-Jam

	29-05-2004 21:22									#97
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So you reinstall twice a year but didn't want the hassle of upgrading to XP? That doesn't make sense at all.

	29-05-2004 21:23									#98
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Also Jam, if you are really worried you can leave your Win98 install and do a dual boot system. Best of both worlds.

	29-05-2004 21:33									#99
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True... I'm just such a lazy arse though. I wanted to make a dual boot-disk system, with a hard switch to select which HD to boot from...

* Jamski looks at the heap of components on his floor *

...that met the same end as my "improved cooling" project...

The other thing that puts me off is that my XP CD is a german version...

Why do I feel I'm looking for excuses?

-Jam

	29-05-2004 21:41									#100
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You can upgrade 98 with no problem what so ever, like you said, insert the CD (don't forget your bios settings) and that's it.

My version here is an upgrade over ME and funnily enough I have trouble than with a clean install, which is a hassle (well, for me it is , you can't get XP to install from DOS so...(unless you manually copy some files but I never quite figured it out. ))

As Spike said why not go with a dual boot?

Btw, are you sure you can't run those old games in 98 compatibility mode? It will slow down your system but that shouldn't be too bad considering your spec and the game requirements.

Remembert that 98 is no longer supported by MS.

	29-05-2004 22:12									#101
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SMAC works under XP.
While Thief is still unavailable in Australia I'll let the conversation be slightly off topic (only slightly ) but as soon as we can play the game we will be talking about it in this thread.

The latest controversy is lockpicking. There are many people compaining that it is too hard, with one lock taking them over 20 minutes to pick. Then there are people at the other end of the scale who are complaining that lockpicking is too easy. They can crack 6-tumbler locks in a matter of seconds due to the fact that

spoiler(highlight to read): the "sweet spots" on the lock are almost always N/S/E/W directions. Using a keyboard, you can get the picks to the right spot very very quickly,

which I must say doesn't give much challenge at all.
But of course I want to try it myself before passing judgement.

	29-05-2004 22:23									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski True... I'm just such a lazy arse though. I wanted to make a dual boot-disk system, with a hard switch to select which HD to boot from... * Jamski looks at the heap of components on his floor * ...that met the same end as my "improved cooling" project... The other thing that puts me off is that my XP CD is a german version... Why do I feel I'm looking for excuses? -Jam

You don't need to make it that complicated. Install XP/Win2k without reformatting, then when it gets to the stage where it will boot into an OS you'll get a prompt asking you which OS to use. It defaults to the one you used last and uses that after 3 seconds or so, so there is absolutely no hassle.

	30-05-2004 02:17									#103
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dual boot system fooks your pc performance a bit

	30-05-2004 02:21									#104
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besides why don't you get a crap p300 with win98 for $75 and play your old games on that piece of junk, and play your new games on the leet pc, win winXP...

my win98 crashed at least 10x a day, and at least 3 blue screens a day too!

	30-05-2004 02:57									#105
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My Win98 has crashed so few times that I can count them...

Probably my best plan is to set up a dual boot. Yes, that can be my little task for the future...

But wait... what drivers do I need? Win98 and XP drivers at the same time? I assume I'll get a dual registry with the dual boot...

Hmmm....

But this is way off topic.

-Jam

	30-05-2004 03:11									#106
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Yes to the different registery, I do advice to put them on different drives.
Always a good thing to do is to put your OS first program on the drive where it is fastest.
W98 has gotten better over the years it was crap at first though, still better the w95, I can't recall the amount of times i had to instal that one.

	30-05-2004 03:38									#107
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You don't need them on different drives. They are self contained installs. Obviously if you install software of one OS it will only 'see' it in that OS, but the way to do this is to keep Win98 just for old games, and use XP for everything else. Both operating systems will require appropriate drivers.

There is no performance loss.

	30-05-2004 03:45									#108
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quote: Originally posted by alva My version here is an upgrade over ME and funnily enough I have trouble than with a clean install, which is a hassle (well, for me it is , you can't get XP to install from DOS so...(unless you manually copy some files but I never quite figured it out. ))

Whilst we are on the (off) topic this shouldn't be a problem either. Obviously you can't use the standard setup .exe, but there is one you can use in DOS for win2k, and it's the same I'm sure for WinXP. Think about it..........otherwise you wouldn't be able to use the OS without one to upgrade from, which is silly.

Even further OT I don't like upgrading windows at all. A clean install is always the way forward, and if you want win98 then dual boot. Upgrading leaves everything in a right mess.

	30-05-2004 05:07									#109
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And the download demo server is still busy.

	30-05-2004 05:55									#110
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Try this one
http://games.telenet.be/
http://games.telenet.be/demos.php

And just to show off.
I would have taken me almost 6 full minutes

Ahh, night time surfing...

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	30-05-2004 06:00									#111
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Is that a download rate of 1203KB/sec? As in, over a megabyte a second?

I want some broaderband

	30-05-2004 06:02									#112
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Normaly I don't get this speed, no. I was surprised myself, that why I let it run for awhile to see if it would go down. Normal speed is about 500 to 700 KB.

Hmm, I guess I have to download it completely just for the heck of it.

	30-05-2004 06:30									#113
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Speed went down somewhat but was still acceptable.
I guess I have to install it too eh..

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	30-05-2004 09:19									#114
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You don't have to install this Thief demo, but of course we would be required (by law) to kill you.

	30-05-2004 09:25									#115
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My demo is arriving at ~50k/s.

	30-05-2004 14:29									#116
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My demo has stopped coming down now. I need to wait until more people have got the complete demo.

	30-05-2004 16:10									#117
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Is that the 3-disc extended demo?

I'm going to wait on this XP issue, before I spend half a day mucking about just so I can play Thief 3. First I want to know if its actually worth my time.

-Jam

	30-05-2004 16:27									#118
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Yeah it's extended all right.

	30-05-2004 16:44									#119
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You guys are slacking.



I'm installing the latest video drivers and geting eady to play now.

	30-05-2004 17:05									#120
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I was talking about the real demo. My extended demo is lucky to go above 2k/s alas. Still, I've gotten 100%, 75% and 14%.

But to the game itself: The game r0x0rZ!!!!!!

Loot glint make the loot hunt easier, but you still have to be awake to take notice of it. In the first actual mission, I got 95% of all loot, blackjacked all the guards except Benny (the drunk one) and made it out again without getting injured. I got spotted once.

There are of course some nitpicks. Garrett seems to be wearing very stiff pants this time - movement takes time. Leaning is all but useless, it exposes you, takes longer than just sidestepping a quick peak does and doesn't always return you back to the shadow you left. The arrow trail just has to go. Lame as. The sound sometimes stutters, but I think that may be due to my playing the game with fairly high details in 1280x1024. Dropping things for some reason involves putting your arm out horizontally and then letting go of the item - I would have thought a master thief would have discovered a quieter way of putting things down by now.

Finally run is on by default. Why? My left pinky is tired due to holding the ctrl button down for 2 hours.

Garretts voice is as are the guards (same voice actors as the previous). Sneaking is fun as well, just keep a column or similar between you and the guard and you are safe. Unless you bump something and make a noise. Or another person walks into the room. Or the guard suddenly notices some missing loot and starts to hunt for you.
Great game.

"Theres no-one here. They are all at the pub. Except for me." - Benny