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alexman is offline alexman
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AU 503: Pillage and Plunder Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Welcome to the third C3C Apolyton University class: Pillage and Plunder. In AU 503 we will learn how to bring the AI to its knees using hit-and run tactics. Pillaging and worker stealing will allow you to destroy the economy of your neighbors while yours prospers.

The Chasqui scout is not a cost-effective unit for fighting, but due to its high movement it can be used for pillaging. A textbook example of this strategy can be found in Aeson’s game in Testing the Jaguar Warrior. You are strongly encouraged to read that thread before attempting AU 503.

Note that there are no special restrictions for this game. You are free to play as you like. However, you might find that ancient-age pillaging tactics might give your Incas the best chance for victory on this map.

Another element of the game we shall be investigating in AU 503 will be a start without immediate access to fresh water with an agricultural Civilization. The Agricultural trait is hailed as the best trait in Civ3, but is it still useful even when we don’t start next to a river?

Finally, we will keep an eye on the availability of resources, and how it affects our strategic decisions and our relationships with the AI. AU mod version 1.05 has increased the appearance ratio of coal, so this game (even the stock rules version) has more coal than an average C3C map.

Good luck! May you enjoy Aeson-like pillaging tactics and may we enjoy Catt-like DARs.

Game parameters:
Pachacuti of the Incas (Chasqui Scout)
Size: Standard
Form: Continents, 70% water.
Climate: Arid, Warm, 3 billion years.
Barbarians: Roaming
Difficulty: Regent to Sid.
Note: This game is probably harder than average for a given level.

Links to DAR threads
DAR1: Up to 2150 BC
DAR2: Up to 1000 BC
DAR3: Contact with all civilizations
DAR4: Steam Power
DAR5: Flight
DAR6: Endgame
Post-game comments

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AU mod version Tired of ads?

The attached zip file contains the saves for the AU mod version of this course.

The file also contains the AU mod v1.05 readme.

If you want the civilopedia to display all the AU mod changes, you might want to also install the civilopedia.txt file from the AU mod thread.

Attachment: au 503 au mod.zip
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Stock version Got spare money?

The attached file contains the stock version of the course. Regent to Sid difficulty levels.

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Dominae is offline Dominae
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I'm going to try this at soon as I get my new computer.

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whoot! first to download
what changes were made to the Chasqui Scout in the AU mod? Perhaps someone should list the changes for those of us that don't follow all the AU threads closely.

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Peasoup, the AU mod readme is included in the zip file.

ZargonX is offline ZargonX
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Give this a go tomorrow

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alex: I'm getting a read error when loading the AU mod Emperor version

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Anyone else having problems?
Make sure you are using the 1.22 patch.

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I had no trouble loading the Emperor AU Mod version under 1.22.

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Yay

Fourth to download

I probably wont have much time this week, but I have a long flight to eastern europe comming up next weekend, I definately try it by then

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Make sure you are using the 1.22 patch.


Ah, sorry, didn't realize it was 1.22. Oh well, none for me yet, then; I'm not upgrading until all of my PBEMs do so, and I'm not doing a dual-install. Guess I'll catch this in a few weeks, then...

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Ah, sorry, didn't realize it was 1.22. Oh well, none for me yet, then; I'm not upgrading until all of my PBEMs do so, and I'm not doing a dual-install. Guess I'll catch this in a few weeks, then...


I kind of wish i had made that decision :sigh:

This 1.22 vs 1.15 nonsense is getting VERY OLD.

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Downloaded the stock version. I'll hopefully try it out soon enough.

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How do I put this? alexman is one of the more sadistic people I know. This rivals SVC in difficulty, but if you try to pillage, it gets even worse

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Note: This game is probably harder than average for a given level.


After playing to 1075 BC, I consider that a serious understatement.

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This is an evil map

I smell a palace jump in my future.

Up to 3000BC or so.

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Are those spoilers above?

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Alexman's use of the word "probably" could (and, from a linguistic perspective, should) be interpreted as impllying that the difficulty is close enough to average that it is not entirely clear whether it is harder or not. That could set people up to significantly underestimate how hard the game really is when choosing what difficulty level to use, which could lead to a nasty surprise. My goal in pointing out that Alexman's words are a "serious understatement" was to give people a more accurate impression of how hard the game is to use as a basis for choosing their difficulty level. My apologies to anyone who regards the information as an unwanted spoiler.

Nathan

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I actually had some more stuff in my post but deleted it for that reason.

I dont think Im giving TOO much away.

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Fine, fine, I've yielded to a dual-install. See how much I care about the AU?

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I'm gonna give this a go too. The Sid challenge has given me so much of a headache that playing on regent even with alexmans reputed sadist tendencies will be nothing short of pleasure

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hey alexman, where can I find such a nice map mod? and more importantly how do I install it. there seems to be some problem with snoopy's blue water, the shore half of the coast squares are regular green...

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The graphics in the screenshot are a mix of several versions of snoopy's mod. I'm pretty sure most of them came with PTW. Sorry, I'm not the best person to ask about graphics mods, as I forget where I get things from.

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I will get to start later this week

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This AU 503 game is GREAT !

Never played more interesting map in my civ3 career

I'll let better players/writers type the DAR reports tho. Just wanted to thank alexman and the whole AU team for this marvelous experience this map offers. Thanks !

And now back to finish off those pesky Vikings

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I'll let better players/writers type the DAR reports tho. Just wanted to thank alexman and the whole AU team for this marvelous experience this map offers. Thanks !


Just re-reading this thread and it occured to me to stop and say: NO! (politely, of course). Don't worry if you feel others are better players or writers -- the entire AU experience is better for all when more people take a stab at writing how their game unfolded and sharing their experiences and thoughts. I, for one, would welcome your report.

Remember Cort Haus' very well-spoken commentary on AU in general: "There's something about the process of writing these things down which both makes a game truly memorable and crystalises understanding of things. Documenting mistakes helps prevent repetition, recording success helps recall the best practice, and lets face it, a game of Civ can make a pretty decent story."

Give it a shot! I'd be willing to bet that both you and many others will be richer for your efforts.

Catt

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I second that, Catt.
See my AU501 DARs for an example of the dryest, least creative writing possible. I kept a turn log and essentially just posted that with some explanations and thoughts here and there. Others are very creative and turn in DARs that could be more accurately described as stories.

But I don't care because like Cort Haus' quote, there is something about the process of documenting your decisions that truly makes you a better player.

And even if you decide not to post(but pleaaaase do), consider keeping a turn log for your own private playing process. It can be elaborate or as barebones as you like, but the act of writing down what you are doing(or better yet, plan to do) really has helped my own gameplay.

I only do it on AU or other comparison games, but those come often enough that I learn quite a bit before even posting it or reading other's DARs. Every DAR that someone posts is chock full of information that someone else will/can take and learn from by comparison.

By all means, take a look at my 501 DARs if you feel outclassed by the likes of some of the storytellers here. I challenge anyone to post a less creative DAR.

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an example of the dryest, least creative writing possible. I kept a turn log and essentially just posted that with some explanations and thoughts here and there.


Hey, that's what I do!

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Perhaps, but I bet you use complete sentences.

 
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