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molly bloom is offline molly bloom
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Hanging isn't known as a very effective method of suicide, is it? I've heard of plenty of people who've failed.



There are no fool proof methods of committing suicide- hospital emergency admissions and long term care wards in nursing homes have the unlovely responsibility of dealing with the paraplegics, the brain damaged and the severely burnt who all thought to end it, but didn't.

Even the leap in front of an underground train isn't a sure method, as drivers on the underground could tell you.

You may think your life is in the pits, but minus an arm and the use of both legs, you might have a fair few more years to contemplate in detail and discomfort how much better your life was, before you tried jumping in front of the District Line train at St James's Park.

It's also an incredibly thoughtless and inconsiderate method- what on earth had the driver or the commuters done to deserve seeing limbs or intestines spread along the track?

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I know what you were saying, but my point is, in such a situation, how many people are going to be rational enough to put themselves in their ex's shoes?

I actually knew of an extreme case of this in high school. The guy was a senior-to-be tailback on our football team (I was an 8th grade offensive lineman, but we only had 30 or so players, so we all knew each other). His girlfriend was a senior-to-be I'd known all my life, who had a sister in my class. Anyway, she was breaking up with him, and the two of them went to his house one day, presumably to discuss things. He put a shotgun to his chest right in front of her and pulled the trigger. He died in the hospital about 3 hours later.

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Especially exes.

Think about how they feel if you commit suicide, particularly if it is not too long after you have broken up with them.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone.


I'm not longer in contact with my exes. not that there are that many, but there are a few. And one of my exes died in a car wreck.

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As have I...

But flip it around. Would you want to be the one who initiates the breakup and then have your ex commit suicide.



Well, some of us can speak from real, first-hand experience with this.

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There are no fool proof methods of committing suicide- hospital emergency admissions and long term care wards in nursing homes have the unlovely responsibility of dealing with the paraplegics, the brain damaged and the severely burnt who all thought to end it, but didn't.

Even the leap in front of an underground train isn't a sure method, as drivers on the underground could tell you.

You may think your life is in the pits, but minus an arm and the use of both legs, you might have a fair few more years to contemplate in detail and discomfort how much better your life was, before you tried jumping in front of the District Line train at St James's Park.

It's also an incredibly thoughtless and inconsiderate method- what on earth had the driver or the commuters done to deserve seeing limbs or intestines spread along the track?


so you're telling me a jump off the wor... I mean the Empire State building will not kill me? Or the Sears tower? Or even closer, the Mandalay Bay hotel.

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Nov 2001
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You'll probably die... but it's still not a sure thing. The world record for surviving a fall without a parachute is 10000m!

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It has to do with air resistance.

After a certain point, you reach terminal velocity.

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Well, some of us can speak from real, first-hand experience with this.


Yep.

I had you in mind.

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So you presume to speak for me on something like this?

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No...

I don't know what it's like, other than from what you've told me. But your experiences reminded me of the point, that's all.

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so you're telling me a jump off the wor... I mean the Empire State building will not kill me? Or the Sears tower? Or even closer, the Mandalay Bay hotel.


People have been blown in through windows after jumping off tall buildings. Result? Severe cuts, lacerations, paraplegia, broken bones, but not death.

An air steward holds the world record for surviving the longest fall sans parachute from an aeroplane.

Lupe Velez's is a cautionary tale:

http://www.angelfire.com/blog/silentfreak/velez.html

Reminds me of the Rolling Stones' song-

'You can't always get what you want,

But sometimes, you get what you need.'

You're confusing intent with outcome.

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Well, some of us can speak from real, first-hand experience with this.

And second hand, a good friend of mine's recent ex just killed himself the other month. :/

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damn edit feature. This is why I have a thread in the Apolyton/community forum asking to ban the edit feature . What did I miss? Was it about me?



Wasn't you, it was someone else at Diego PolyMeet.

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Whether if he did it or not, the sister made a good point.

Be considerable, if you're going to kill yourself, make sure that somebody else other than your family or friends will be the one who get to find your body.

Heck, the act itself isn't considerable in the first place.

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And second hand, a good friend of mine's recent ex just killed himself the other month. :/



sigh

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It has to do with air resistance.

After a certain point, you reach terminal velocity.


yes I know. And terminal velocity is enough to kill someone instantly. No matter what they land on. Cement, Asphalt, water- either way they are ****ed.

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That certain point being when the drag forces on your body are equal to your weight.

Diss, I'm curious, why use three such hard surfaces (since water "gets hard" with relative speed) to illustrate that point?

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I am blessed (cursed?) with an equable temperament and rarely feel anything worse than being mildly fed up.

Conceivably if every single person in the world that I love all died in some hideous catastrophe I might get within sight of misery so deep it could not be bourne - but even in such a case as that I don't really think I would feel suicidal.

So such feelings are a bit of a closed book to me.

I suppose the fundamental thing about suicide is its finality. Whereas the particular reasons which make someone miserable at a particular time are going, usually, to be transitory. Which gives suicide its reputation as a long term solution to a short term problem.

I think I can, just about, remember enough about the insecurities of the teenage years not to be surprised that suicide is sometimes resorted to by unhappy teenagers.

If it were an option for such kids to be a bit less self obsessed they might notice that pretty well no one around them is the same at 25 as they were at 17. And conclude they will not remain the same themselves either. Which does not lead to the conclusion that the new person into whom you are going to evolve will necessarily be happy. But it does mean they will not be unhappy in exactly the same way.

I imagine those close to someone who does commit suicide, parents especially, must forever wonder what they could have done differently. You would be bound to feel that you had failed them in some way.

It is truly odd that suicide rates go up in affluent societies where, or so you would have thought, people are more comfortable and have the best chance of finding some fun and contentment.

Anyway, I hope those who post here who sometimes - or often - feel suicidal find the resources not to act on the feelings. I have known any number of people who have had to go through one or more really bad patches in their lives. But I have known no-one, nor even heard of anyone, for whom such a patch just carried on endlessly and insuportably. It often seems that life is bound to continue much as it is - but in fact the actual experience of life is that it involves ceaseless change. Sometimes you need to be a year or two down the track to have the perspective to appreciate that some particular change had been going on. But looking back you can clearly see that change was happening. Other times change comes very obviously and suddenly. Either way the things which, during a particular period, seem so unbearable will find themselves swept away. They are caught up in the process of change just as ineluctably as we are ourselves.

Now, if the process of change was itself the thing someone could not bear - because they were in a state of perfect bliss perhaps - then, I suppose, deciding to end life and the process of change it necessarily involves, might have something to commend it.

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It is truly odd that suicide rates go up in affluent societies where, or so you would have thought, people are more comfortable and have the best chance of finding some fun and contentment.


I don't find this odd. If you are miserable because you are poor or disadvantaged then you might feel that you had some prospect of improving your situation. But if you find yourself unhappy even although you have everything you could possibly want, then it can be difficult to see how you can ever change your life and become happy. And if you think you can never be happy again, suicide can seem like a viable option.

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I agree with Rogan.

Depression isn't based on what you have, or your situation (outside being depressed). It's due to chemical imbalances in your brain. If you have everything, you're still going to be depressed, but have nothing to attribute it to other than "I'm screwed up."

I find my depression easier to deal with when there is something actually wrong I can attribute the feeling to. It's not rational, but I feel better when watching a sad movie where I can empathize, and my fantasies generally are about bad things happening to me. It gives a sense of stability given my mental state.

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yes I know. And terminal velocity is enough to kill someone instantly. No matter what they land on. Cement, Asphalt, water- either way they are ****ed.


There was a case in Britain several years ago when one man attempted to kill himself twice by jumping off a 10th floor balcony. Both times (this was in the same day) he landed on cars below and survived.

 
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