20-05-2004 23:48									#1
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I don't want to offend anyone here. I just have this particular problem with some homosexual men.
I don't have a problem with gays having sex, kissing, public affection, marriage, or raising children.
My problem is when gay men in particular attempt to take on the mannerisms of a woman. It just seems fake and exaggerated to me. It seems so outrageous. The people who do this seem to be trying to be women so much to the point that they do things or make comments that I would find unladylike in a woman.
I don't know maybe there is a difference between being a gay man and wanting to be a woman.
As far as women go, everything they do turns me on.

	20-05-2004 23:51									#2
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A lot of it has to do with lack of testosterone, plain and simple. Many gay men have irregular levels of testosterone.

One of the most effeminite gay men I know only has one functional testicle, which is probably why he's so flamey. I do not believe it's intentional for the gay men that do, to act effeminite, any more intentional it is for you to act masculine.

	20-05-2004 23:54									#3
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Some gays act feminine because that is part of who they really are.

Other gays act feminine because they have been pressured by part of the gay ghetto culture to act that way, or else they will not be accepted by that particular group.

	20-05-2004 23:56									#4
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quote: the gay ghetto culture

word!

	21-05-2004 00:00									#5
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Will Sava be able to articulate his statement beyond a single, mono-syllable word?



stay tuned

	21-05-2004 00:04									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Sava word!

	21-05-2004 00:07									#7
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That Reagan laugh is VERY annoying.

	21-05-2004 00:07									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Sava word!

Gay Ghetto....

That's a great idea for a photoshop thread, btw.

	21-05-2004 00:08									#9
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And Pax . . . .

the sad part is that too many straight people think of such stereotypes when they think of gays, even though such stereotypes do not represent the majority of gays.

	21-05-2004 00:11									#10
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I'm not sure if effeminite is the right word to describe what I'm talking about.
Let me give some examples.
I went to a gay bar and several of the men had their shirts over the backs of their necks revealing their chest. That's not acceptable at hetero club for men or women.

I recently went to Karaoke night at a local restaurant. I was with a party of people that included older church going ladies. One of the MC hosts was gay. He continous made sexual remarks to several male members of the audience. All these men came with dates so it was obvious that none were available. He topped this by standing on a chair and dancing in front of one of the guys.

A couple of weeks later I saw this same guy at a straight club wearing a woman's blouse/pants outfit. He clearly does not have the shape of a woman nor women's breast. He looked like a caricature.
Also, the speech and mannerisms make seem like they are trying to outwomen women. If a woman twists a little they twist a lot. If a woman says "girlfriend" every now and then when they talk, the gay guy says it cinstantly.

I think I find it annoying because I have a tendency to dislike people who I think are fakes.

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I knew what you were talking about.

	21-05-2004 00:17									#12
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While I'm on a rant . . . . .



I find positive stereotypes of gays bothersome too.


"He has great fashion taste -- oh, that's because he's gay."


"He loves the opera -- oh, that's because he's gay."


"He's culturally sosphisticated and likes to have tea with friends -- oh that's because he's gay."

	21-05-2004 00:17									#13
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Omg, gay people can have fun. The horror. The terror.

Though I gotta be givin' you props for *****in about the blouse/pants combo. That's just stupid.

	21-05-2004 00:19									#14
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There are those who are a bit over the top and as Mr. Fun said they do represent or give most uninformed people the idea that this is the representation for all gays across the board.

I have found that gay people on the whole are just a little bit more free and less inhibited as straights are. They are a bit more willing to live life to the fullest and push the envelope and see if it pushes back. It isn't a bad thing to live life to the fullest I think.

	21-05-2004 00:21									#15
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Just because a few gay men are flamboyant doesn't mean that all of us are.

	21-05-2004 00:21									#16
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I don't care one way or the other. Be as queer as you want or as up tight as you want.

FREE YOUR MIND AND YOUR ASS WILL FOLLOW!

	21-05-2004 00:22									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Tiamat I have found that gay people on the whole are just a little bit more free and less inhibited as straights are. They are a bit more willing to live life to the fullest and push the envelope and see if it pushes back. It isn't a bad thing to live life to the fullest I think.

Once you've gone and kissed another boy nothing else can scare you that much.

	21-05-2004 00:22									#18
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No, it's certainly not a bad thing to live life the fullest -- as long as you're not out to knock down everyone's sense of appropriate public behavior out of some adolescent urge to shock people.

	21-05-2004 00:23									#19
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Homosexuality, Reagan avatars, a low-grade sense of humour ...



Gaygun! Henceforth, all gaygun avatars are known as just that!

	21-05-2004 00:23									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Once you've gone and kissed another boy nothing else can scare you that much.

And this is why I love you!

	21-05-2004 00:24									#21
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We love you too, Tiamat.

	21-05-2004 00:26									#22
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	21-05-2004 00:26									#23
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I don't.

	21-05-2004 00:26									#24
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun We love you too, Tiamat.

She was addressing the love to me. I'm her gay snuggle bunny.

	21-05-2004 00:27									#25
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So you're a hag fag?

	21-05-2004 00:27									#26
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but, but . . . .

	21-05-2004 00:28									#27
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See Pax, you have to understand that there is a great sense of self worth and knowledge in the gay lifestyle as well as love. Be it for friends, family, loved ones etc. And loyalty as long as the day. When you enter that lifestyle or are on the fringes of it you become or have a sense of community if you will.

For a man or woman to make the decision that yes, this is my sexual prefrence they will go through hell and back making that decision. Either based on family or societial beliefs. You can imagine the stress.....so some "flame out" if you will a bit more then others but it does calm down unless they are just religated to being a dizzy queen all their life. But for 85 to 90% of the gay community this just isn't the case.

	21-05-2004 00:28									#28
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Nobody likes racoons.

	21-05-2004 00:29									#29
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Oh, and Pax . . . . . .


sometimes, some gays choose to live a stereotype as an unhealthy way to cope with a heterosexist society. It's their way of agressively antagonizing everyone else around them.

	21-05-2004 00:30									#30
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara So you're a hag fag?

GIVE THAT MAN A COOKIE!!!!! From waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back. And proud of it to! My daughters godfather is gay and I wouldn't have it any other way.