21-05-2004 01:30									#61
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take your medication, Che

	21-05-2004 01:33									#62
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Boris, I don't think Pax meant to be malicious -- he just asked an ignorant question, and some of us answered it for him.

I didn't accuse him of being malicious.

	21-05-2004 01:33									#63
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun take your medication, Che

No.

	21-05-2004 01:34									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I didn't accuse him of being malicious.

So deliberately stereotyping a group of people is not necessarily malicious?

	21-05-2004 01:41									#65
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun So deliberately stereotyping a group of people is not necessarily malicious?

You really can't read, can you?

He didn't stereotype a group of people, nor did I accuse him of doing such. In fact, I explicitely pointed out I wasn't accusing him of doing so.

	21-05-2004 01:46									#66
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I have no problems with reading . . . .

part of your quote:

"I don't expect homosexuals to behave a particular way, one way or the other, because I don't view the behavior of one as somehow representative of me. My actions speak for themselves, and if someone judges me based on what some other idiot does, that's the fault and mistake of the person doing the judging. Not my fault, nor the idiot's. I despise the mentality that I am somehow responsible for the behavior of other gays, when the negative stereotypes about gays are based on a small minority of gays in the first place. It is justifying such stereotypes to do so."

I understand that in this context, you are protesting against having to explain yourself to others for other people's behavior.

But noote the context in which you included the word "stereotype" -- hence, you were talking about stereotyping in conjunction with Pax's ignorant question about about feminine-acting gays.

	21-05-2004 01:50									#67
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quote: "He has great fashion taste -- oh, that's because he's gay." "He loves the opera -- oh, that's because he's gay." "He's culturally sosphisticated and likes to have tea with friends -- oh that's because he's gay."

Hey, hey... no need to pile on Boris like that .

	21-05-2004 01:51									#68
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I wouldn't dare raise Boris's ire anymore than I already have.

	21-05-2004 01:52									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Tiamat GIVE THAT MAN A COOKIE!!!!! From waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back. And proud of it to! My daughters godfather is gay and I wouldn't have it any other way.

he said hag fag not fag hag, and he wasn't addressing you.

	21-05-2004 01:53									#70
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quote: But the point is, do you think the bad behavior of the kids I mentioned above has anything to do intrinsically with them being black?

It may have something to do with black culture however, and I don't think someone asking other black people why some bad behavior blacks say 'nigger' (or talk about women like 'hoes' or something) is offensive in anyway.

	21-05-2004 01:53									#71
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The fact that I spend more time addressing your bad comprehension skills than the real arguments is thread is truly exhasperating.

Wherein that quote am I accusing Pax of being malicious? I am not, I am explaining that being expected to "chastise" other gays for bad behavior is justifying a stereotype, which is not the same thing.

You directly implied above that he was "stereotyping," when you said, "So deliberately stereotyping a group of people is not necessarily malicious?" Since he wasn't doing that, and I wasn't saying he was soing that, the question is a complete non-sequitur.

	21-05-2004 01:54									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha he said hag fag not fag hag, and he wasn't addressing you.

You are correct, sir.

	21-05-2004 01:54									#73
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I wouldn't dare raise Boris's ire anymore than I already have.

Oh, pish tosh! You just have no fun, which is why you raise ires. I joke around and have a good time... and that list isn't bad things... and Boris is cultured and does listen to classical music (I'm sure some opera creeps in from time to time ).

	21-05-2004 01:55									#74
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Boris enjoys what he does because of his individual personality and his own unique life experiences.

What does that have to do with being gay?

	21-05-2004 01:56									#75
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He fits the stereotype more neatly?

	21-05-2004 01:59									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov If we knew why people opted for fake (if it is indeed so) or crass behavior, we'd be psychologists who would make a lot of money. I don't expect homosexuals to behave a particular way, one way or the other, because I don't view the behavior of one as somehow representative of me. My actions speak for themselves, and if someone judges me based on what some other idiot does, that's the fault and mistake of the person doing the judging. Not my fault, nor the idiot's. I despise the mentality that I am somehow responsible for the behavior of other gays, when the negative stereotypes about gays are based on a small minority of gays in the first place. It is justifying such stereotypes to do so. If a some guy is behaving like a total jackass and claiming to represent all gays by doing so, I'll be glad to call him on it. But if it's some guy at a restaurant just acting like a fool, I'll just ignore him and make sure that my behavior is what I'm concerned about.

When I said maybe you should also I meant that you should speak to the black kids when you see the crass behavior.

	21-05-2004 02:19									#77
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Okay, let me see if I understand this correct. Pax Aficanis hates gays, except for MrFun, cuz nobody likes him, not even Tiamat whose a fag hag, so he's a good gay. Boris hates blacks because they stand around on street corners and sing doowap. Starchilde likes hand moisturizer but not if its greasy, and Imran likes poodles.




Got it?

	21-05-2004 02:20									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: "He has great fashion taste -- oh, that's because he's gay." "He loves the opera -- oh, that's because he's gay." "He's culturally sosphisticated and likes to have tea with friends -- oh that's because he's gay." Hey, hey... no need to pile on Boris like that .

Boris has no fashion taste.

	21-05-2004 02:25									#79
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No no no Che. You got it all backwards.

	21-05-2004 02:28									#80
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So wait?

MrFun likes Imran cuz Starchild's a poodle. Pax secretly likes Boris, but because he's too queeny. he's settling for Asher? And Tiamat collect hearts from street urchins to sell in Tiajuana.

	21-05-2004 02:31									#81
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How much hash have you had today, Che?

	21-05-2004 02:32									#82
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I can't have hash. Potatoes aren't allowed on the Atkins diet.

	21-05-2004 02:33									#83
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I thought hash is another name for a street drug??

	21-05-2004 02:34									#84
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Also known as Hashish

	21-05-2004 02:44									#85
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Corned beef hash is good. Fry it up so it gets kinda crusty and put a couple fried eggs on it. Yum!

	21-05-2004 02:46									#86
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Anyway Pax -- did we take you out of the realm of ignorant bliss now?

	21-05-2004 03:39									#87
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quote: Imran likes poodles.

YAY, poodles! I like kitties more though

	21-05-2004 03:40									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Pax Africanus I don't want to offend anyone here. I just have this particular problem with some homosexual men. I don't have a problem with gays having sex, kissing, public affection, marriage, or raising children. My problem is when gay men in particular attempt to take on the mannerisms of a woman. It just seems fake and exaggerated to me. It seems so outrageous. The people who do this seem to be trying to be women so much to the point that they do things or make comments that I would find unladylike in a woman. I don't know maybe there is a difference between being a gay man and wanting to be a woman. As far as women go, everything they do turns me on.

Ooooh, get you

	21-05-2004 03:47									#89
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Do not diss poodles. They are fantastic. I was once a sceptic until my mother got one. They are fantastic...affectionate, really strong personalities, very active (despite the concept that they are cosmetic and impractical, they aren't, you want to see one shift, and has more stamina than any other dog I've had). And the women love him!

	21-05-2004 05:42									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Boris has no fashion taste.

Then neither do you, apparently:

quote: Originally posted by Asher I am also deeply concerned, as I have the same sweater as Boris, but in shades of blue.

Considering your self-proclaimed reliance on hoodies as a fashion statement, I can't say I find your criticism too stinging.