01-06-2004 00:03									#31
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well ive explored most of the hive. Picked up Da'akon.
Got reborn into a DIFFERENT place - that was interesting.

Ive dualed to a thief - was that a mistake? I started on the road to go mage, but that seems "fruitless" so far.

I killed Krystal - after getting info from her. Will that limit the rest of the game terribly. generally ive been role playing more or less as chaotic good. Of course the nameless ones alignment is true neutral. Does all this matter eventually?

BTW, is it cheesy to pick up loot after the two gangs fight each other?

Ive used "junk" the place that takes me to is quite rough - i find i finally need to use charms and spells to win fights.

I have not yet found Pharod, which I presume will open up more plot.

	01-06-2004 00:09									#32
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I'm not sure who Krystal is.

I assume you mean you used junk to open up that portal. That should take you to the trash wardens. You eventually will need to go down there. But I suggest poking around buildings in the various areas of the hive and doing some more quests.

If you can't handle the battles in the alley of dangerous angles, then you need more experience before continueing down the trash warrens . A couple of those battles can be a little challenging.

As for the thief, it doesn't matter too much what you play as. If you are more comfortable as a thief, that's fine. You can switch back and forth using various NPC (even some in your party). I think Dakkon can train you as a fighter. A women in the northwest area who is a witch trains you as a mage. Also a woman in the northwest can train you as a theif.

And yes, finding pharod will open up alot. The game flows fairly fast from there. At first the game can be kind of daunting, because you have no direction. You are just roaming around town. But as I said, it might be best to pick up a little more experience around town before going down and finding pharod.

	01-06-2004 00:25									#33
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Dissident

quote: I'm not sure who Krystal is.

The leader of one of the gangs in the alley.

quote: I assume you mean you used junk to open up that portal.

I was being deliberately obscure, as an alternative to using spoiler mode, which i find awkward. Sorry if that was confusing.

quote: That should take you to the trash wardens. You eventually will need to go down there. But I suggest poking around buildings in the various areas of the hive and doing some more quests.

Ive done about as many quests as i can figure out and do in the areas that are open to me. I may be missing something, but I presume to complete the rest i need to leave the hive, and i cant do that till i find Pharod.

quote: If you can't handle the battles in the alley of dangerous angles, then you need more experience before continueing down the trash warrens . A couple of those battles can be a little challenging.

Ive reached the point where i can handle those battles, pretty much.

quote: As for the thief, it doesn't matter too much what you play as. If you are more comfortable as a thief, that's fine. You can switch back and forth using various NPC (even some in your party). I think Dakkon can train you as a fighter. A women in the northwest area who is a witch trains you as a mage. Also a woman in the northwest can train you as a theif.

Yup, i love the way the game integrates dual classing INTO the story. A major advance over BG, I think.

quote: And yes, finding pharod will open up alot. The game flows fairly fast from there. At first the game can be kind of daunting, because you have no direction. You are just roaming around town. But as I said, it might be best to pick up a little more experience around town before going down and finding pharod.

Ive leveled up all 3 party members at least once, and the nameless one twice before dualing. I think im ready.

	01-06-2004 00:40									#34
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you're ready

yeah I think there may be one battle I found challenging in the trash warrens. So you should be okay if you made it through.

That's what charms are for anyways. I just never seem to get around to using them . Like potions. I hoard them for some reason.

I'm not sure where you can rest. But once you get through the trash warrens you will come into another area where you can find a place to rest. And a shop to sell stuff.

sounds like you are ready. Just have to go slow and cautious through the trash warrens.

As for Krystal, iirc you can side with one or the other gang leader. I don't think it makes that much difference who you side with.

	01-06-2004 00:55									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident you're ready I'm not sure where you can rest. But once you get through the trash warrens you will come into another area where you can find a place to rest. And a shop to sell stuff. .

I have been simply running out of the warrens and back to the midwifes house to heal and/rest. I hope thats not considered cheesy. I found the place beyond the warrens, but havent explored it yet.

	01-06-2004 03:05									#36
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You realise its not so straightforward to run back out of the warrens... not once you're through that gate...

-Jam

	01-06-2004 13:40									#37
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long as you have plenty of junk, you can return as many times as you want.

	01-06-2004 13:59									#38
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I mean from the lower warrens, whatever they're called. When you get back to the gate its closed, and you'd better have a few bits of copper ready.

-Jam

	01-06-2004 14:17									#39
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yeah I think they asked for 15 copper or something like that.

	01-06-2004 19:46									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski I mean from the lower warrens, whatever they're called. When you get back to the gate its closed, and you'd better have a few bits of copper ready. -Jam

silly me. I found the gate shut and didnt even try talking to the guards through the gate.

	01-06-2004 20:12									#41
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quote: yeah I think they asked for 15 copper or something like that.

I think you can threaten them for less with a decent STR, or sweet-talk them with a godly CHA.

Jinky, jinky... lovely jink.

-Jam

	01-06-2004 23:21									#42
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btw, im still carrying the various documents i found in the mortuary, figuring i never know when something will open up a portal, or whatever. Do i need to continue this pack rat behavior, or will the game give me an idea of what i need to open the portals i need, as it did for access to the trash warrens?

	02-06-2004 08:52									#43
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark silly me. I found the gate shut and didnt even try talking to the guards through the gate.

yeah you kinda need to go through to progress the story line

	02-06-2004 08:53									#44
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark btw, im still carrying the various documents i found in the mortuary, figuring i never know when something will open up a portal, or whatever. Do i need to continue this pack rat behavior, or will the game give me an idea of what i need to open the portals i need, as it did for access to the trash warrens?

most of that stuff you can junk. I'm not sure, but in games like Baldur's Gate2 you can put items into a container and they will stay there.

So you can find a safe place in the hive to stash some of your stuff if you aren't sure.

There are a couple places where you will be in dungeons and won't have access to the hive. But eventually you will return.

	02-06-2004 20:19									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident yeah you kinda need to go through to progress the story line

I went into the catacombs, but didnt know how to get back out till you and Jamski commented.

ok, while in the catacombs first time, going through central area and all the side crypts, but not dead nations or the other big area (forgot the name) i collected, among other things, several skulls and stuff, including two wererat skulls. Will this be useful anywhere (other than the tattoed leg, ive figured that one out already)

Second time in i went to dead nations. Fought instead of talking. Was that a mistake? Ive now got NPC skulls - do I need those? Also found a silver ring - first ive seen in the game - is that the missing piece for the guy in the alley of dang angles who needed a gold, silver, and bronze ring?

	03-06-2004 11:35									#46
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hmm I'm not sure about some of those questions.

One of the heads you can use at a certain point. But you only need one. Actually you don't really need it, but it does something amusing if I remember correctly.

I don't think I did anything with the silver ring.

I'm not sure who you were fighting in the dead nations? Those smart rat things? (I can't remember their name). They aren't a big deal.

	03-06-2004 19:47									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I'm not sure who you were fighting in the dead nations? Those smart rat things? (I can't remember their name). They aren't a big deal.

everybody- when you enter you get a dialogue - i made a belligerent dialogue choice, and everybody went red. I fought everybody, ghouls, skeletons, zombies, including some named characters. Killed em all. When i get into drowned nation, theyre blue - apparently this is a different group. Im wondering if i missed important dialogue.

	04-06-2004 11:51									#48
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unfortunately I cannot remember that area very well.

I do remember there is a quest you can do for a ghost. The zombies normally go red, so that's no big deal.

But I think you only missed out on a quest or two.

use multiple save slots just in case .

	04-06-2004 22:37									#49
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ok, so after my first visit to dead nations, i head back to ragpickers, to buy and sell stuff, rest, and finish some quests. I go to sharegrave ( a lovely name, no?) and tell him about Pharod. The dialogue indicates there may be little time left for Pharod (oops!) so i skip the other sidequests and run back underground. I finish drowned nations, and the associated quest. I level up. I head over to the warrens of thought. Ok, having fought my way through dead nations, im gonna dialogue this. Well i guess i the wrong thing to the wererat. Im sent to the back, as a prison, i guess, and have to do lots of fighting against nasty rats of different kinds. After dying several times, and not finding anything particularly worthwhile, i didnt bother saving. I may go back to an earlier save and try to do the whole catacombs thing over again.

Maybe i need higher charisma to get good dialogue choices here?

Im thinking that dualing to thief was stupid. I dont do the stealth thing much, there have been few traps, i dont know if the door thing has helped, and the few good lock picks just arent worth it. I suppose dualing to mage would be better, but by the time i find a gardener ill be such a high level fighter, that it would be a long time to get fighter skills back.

It would be better if i had more party members. Ive only got nameless, morte, and da'akon. Anah and igus wouldnt join, despite trying various dialogue options. Do I need higher charisma, or to wait till a later point in the story? Im stumped.

	05-06-2004 03:49									#50
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You don't lose your skills when you dual class in PS:T, LotM. You keep the Thaco, number of attacks etc of the fighter, but you can't use fighter weapons, so its not a big loss.

I wouldn't bother with being a theif though.

-Jam

	05-06-2004 13:35									#51
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark It would be better if i had more party members. Ive only got nameless, morte, and da'akon. Anah and igus wouldnt join, despite trying various dialogue options. Do I need higher charisma, or to wait till a later point in the story? Im stumped.

spoiler(highlight to read): Annah will join as a part of story arc. For Ignus, you need decanter of endless water found in catacombs. Later, just use it on him via dialogue options and there you go!

	06-06-2004 11:47									#52
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there's also a priest (cleric essentually) you can get later on, and a certain type of "creature"? you can get. It's not a creature, but I won't spoil what it is.

	06-06-2004 13:20									#53
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You also forgot one character later

	06-06-2004 13:26									#54
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ohhh, I remember now. I should know, I used him. Even though he was kind of evil. He is badass.

getting him was no easy task. I had to reload to do the conversation right

	06-06-2004 13:31									#55
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He is definetly not evil, just... inflexible. And you have to reload conversation only if you are not intelligent enough (gameplay wise ) since then you can persuade him that you are already more than enoguh punished. He does mess up some of the quests later though.

	06-06-2004 18:58									#56
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Not to mention coming far to late in the game to be of any use, really. Lawful Neutral arse.

-Jam

	07-06-2004 18:41									#57
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ok. ive been thoroughly through both the dead nations and warrens of thought. (I never did manage to get out of the sealed tomb, despite finding three keys, and eventually just reloaded) I still havent found the item Pharod wanted. Im stuck. Hints, anyone?

(oh, and thanks for your tips on party members and dualing)

	07-06-2004 18:50									#58
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You have to go THROUGH either the Dead Nations or the Warrens of Thought to get to the next area, where you will find Pharod's sphere.

Keep going in the sealed tomb BTW, its quite a plot event.

Read the walls

-Jam

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quote: Originally posted by Jamski You have to go THROUGH either the Dead Nations or the Warrens of Thought to get to the next area, where you will find Pharod's sphere. Keep going in the sealed tomb BTW, its quite a plot event. Read the walls -Jam

I did read the walls. Very interesting from the story point of view. I ended up in I think every part of the sealed tomb. Still didnt manage to escape. I think ive learned all the story stuff in there - i just wonder if theres any gameplay stuff ive missed?

Theres only one are I can think of beyond both Dead nations and warrens of thought - the area where I found the decanter. I guess having found the decanter i thought i was done with that area - i guess not?

	07-06-2004 19:03									#60
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Same area as the decanter! Getting warm!

-Jam