03-06-2004 03:36									#241
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What DID you plan then? Capturing 13 bases from your ally without any losses wasn't enough for you?

-Jam

	03-06-2004 03:37									#242
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What about the line Jamski? Just substitute Duke Leto with Duke o'York.

	03-06-2004 03:40									#243
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I sense you disapprove what I did. But you invited us to backstab allies the minute you made the battle rules.

This game is either luck or treachery. I choose treachery. I don't believe in luck.

	03-06-2004 03:43									#244
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Haha tko deserves to be overlord after betraying so many people. Hats off to his intelligence service though.

Duke, you are now off my list.

	03-06-2004 03:47									#245
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You'll have to post that quote again, Lj. I had to empty my mailbox. BTW, had your truely evil plan fully suceeded you would be Da Boss.

-Jam

	03-06-2004 03:49									#246
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Orders in now.

	03-06-2004 03:54									#247
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Just for Duke o'York

quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I will have Mallard back for myself! He who controls the Spice controls the universe and what Jamski did not tell you is we have control of someone who is very close, very close, to Duke o'York! This person, this traitor, will be worth more to us than ten legions of Sardaukar!

	03-06-2004 04:24									#248
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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy Just enough to give a different OOB for my defensive ships.

There is only one order of battle for the entire fleet Spaced.

	03-06-2004 04:32									#249
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No, you can give two OoBs. Many people have. If the attacking fleet is forced to defend (i.e. spies force it to stay put) it uses the defensive OoB though.

-Jam

	03-06-2004 04:54									#250
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Gee, that would have been nice to know. Good luck staying at the top Ljube, you are gonna need it.

	03-06-2004 12:19									#251
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Thanks Smiley. I wouldn't have minded myself had you done to me what I did to you. It is only a matter of time when an alliance collapses, so it's better to strike first.

	03-06-2004 12:21									#252
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski No, you can give two OoBs. Many people have. If the attacking fleet is forced to defend (i.e. spies force it to stay put) it uses the defensive OoB though. -Jam

Jamski, you must specify these rules more clearly in the future.

In your original rules, you only speak of one Order of Battle. Now my supreme treachery has practically forced people to use two orders of battle.

	03-06-2004 12:26									#253
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DUKE o'YORK
What happened? What?
(as DrSpike attacks)
The shield!

The Duke reaches to activate the shield but a large
dart is shot into his shoulder. The Duke lurches
upwards then tumbles to the ground. Out of the
darkness comes Ljube-ljcvetko. The dart drops and
CLATTERS as if a dream.

DUKE o'YORK (CONT'D)
(mind racing -- struggling)
Ljube!
(inner voice)
He's sabotaged the base generators, we're
wide open.

LJUBE-LJCVETKO
(gloating)
I've brought House of York down. I've
destroyed the new army's weirding modules.

DUKE o'YORK
(hoarse whisper)
... Why?

Last edited by Ljube on 03-06-2004 at 19:12

	03-06-2004 13:42									#254
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... Why weren't we told that we could have defensive and offensive strategies?

That way I would have happily shared my attack plans with Skanky Burns, and then reversed said plans to best counter the attack at home for defense.

	03-06-2004 15:18									#255
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@ -tko's Dune fetish.

	03-06-2004 15:25									#256
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at what the heck a weirding module is. It's well over ten years since I read any of the Dune novels.

	03-06-2004 15:29									#257
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It's certainly not mentioned in the novel... nor was Yueh gloating, for that matter. He was quite unhappy about doing what he did.

	03-06-2004 15:37									#258
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It's not from the book. It's from the film, the dialogue I mean.
And I altered it slightly (gloating, the names and such).

The first quote is from the book.

	03-06-2004 15:53									#259
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The film had the slight drawback that it was dreadful, and completely unwatchable if you hadn't already read the book.

	03-06-2004 15:54									#260
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Not my case

	03-06-2004 15:54									#261
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Not to mention, going by that difference in dialogue, that the maker didn't have a clue about the book at all.

	03-06-2004 15:54									#262
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And I don't want to be the Baron. Duke attacked me first, unprovoked, so he got his come-uppance. Duke should be the evil Baron.

	03-06-2004 15:57									#263
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Not to mention, going by that difference in dialogue, that the maker didn't have a clue about the book at all.

Well the dialogue is fine, if you exchange 'pained' for 'gloating', since Yueh was, as you say, not a willing accomplice.

	03-06-2004 16:55									#264
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike And I don't want to be the Baron. Duke attacked me first, unprovoked, so he got his come-uppance. Duke should be the evil Baron.

Ah why the labels? Evilness is so dependant on the point of view.

	03-06-2004 17:04									#265
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Not to mention, going by that difference in dialogue, that the maker didn't have a clue about the book at all.

I changed this part of dialogue because I always considered Yueh a hypocrite. Someone capable of committing horrific crimes of such proportions like Yueh couldn't have second thoughts about his actions, because if he did, he wouldn't have committed those crimes in the first place.

	03-06-2004 17:08									#266
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Well they had a hold over him because of a relative, IIRC. He regretted his actions for sure.

	03-06-2004 17:15									#267
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It was his wife, bene gesserit witch that cast a spell on him and broke his imperial conditioning, the highest degree a man of Yueh's education and training can obtain.

So he was a weak man, a shadow of a man, he didn't fit well into my role, so I had to change the dialogue slightly. The dialogue from the book is even more inappropriate as it emphasises the guilt even more.

I on the other hand feel no remorse as this is all part of a very entertaining game

	03-06-2004 17:44									#268
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The first Dune movie was made by an insane director. Not that you can tell.
The miniseries of Dune, the one released fairly recently on the other hand is more in keeping with the books, and is quite good as well. The game Dune 2 is much better than the book or movies though.

	03-06-2004 18:33									#269
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Sent to the death

	03-06-2004 19:03									#270
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns The first Dune movie was made by an insane director. Not that you can tell.

Actually David Lynch made some landmark films. The Dune film was very much an exception.