02-06-2004 01:34									#421
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Holy cow this thread is still going? Give it a rest folks.

	02-06-2004 01:37									#422
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They never will... whenever star wars or star trek comes up, the debate starts all over again... and to steal a line from William Shatner...

GET A LIFE!

	02-06-2004 01:44									#423
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Because assimilation brings much greater rewards than destruction. With every species the Borg assimilate, they get stronger. Using planet-killers to destroy whole planets doesn't make one stronger.

What they use it for is irrelevant to the question of how advanced technology is.

quote: Shadows are clearly less advanced than the Vorlon -- as evidenced by the the apparent Vorlon supporiority of Vorlon ships over shadowvessels in the one real engagement shown in the series, and by the amount of effort required to kill an individual Vorlon (Kosh, both times), as opposed to killing an individual Shadow (the final confrontation between Mr. Morden and Londo).

I agree with you that Vorlon ships are superior on a one on one to Shadow ships-hopw is that relevant to a comparison with species 8472.

	02-06-2004 01:59									#424
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i still maintain that Enterprise is a sub-par Star Trek show.

	02-06-2004 02:05									#425
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I think almost everyone agrees on that.

	02-06-2004 02:14									#426
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i also think the vorlon ships just look so much damn cooler than the shadow ships, but as far as the two opposing philosophies, i dunno which i like more.

	02-06-2004 03:07									#427
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I think the shadow ships look much cooler myself, with the pitch black and the "spider" look, though Vorlon ships are nice, but they all look like squids... still like both better than ungly Earthforce or Mimbari ships, though I like Centauri and Narn ships.

	02-06-2004 03:14									#428
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can anyone explain to me how the replicators wouldn't slaughter everybody? they're literally unstoppable

	02-06-2004 03:15									#429
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Given I find SG1 boring and don't even know what they are, well I can't.

	02-06-2004 03:16									#430
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quote: Originally posted by Ming GET A LIFE!

Strong words coming from someone who is a mod of an online forum.

	02-06-2004 03:17									#431
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Strong words coming from someone who is a mod of an online forum.

TOUCHE!

	02-06-2004 03:18									#432
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Yeah....when people begin debating about which universe can defeat which universe, the level of geekiness gets a bit too high for me

	02-06-2004 03:18									#433
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me?


EDIT: damn x-post

	02-06-2004 03:21									#434
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Yeah....when people begin debating about which universe can defeat which universe, the level of geekiness gets a bit too high for me

Is that even possible, really?

	02-06-2004 03:23									#435
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As strange as it may seem...yes

	02-06-2004 03:57									#436
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Strong words coming from someone who is a mod of an online forum.

I think he has you there, Ming.

	02-06-2004 04:34									#437
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar I think he has you there, Ming.

Not really... to me, this is a hobby, and I'm doing it as a favor for the owners. Unlike SOME people, I have a life... kids, a wife, a job that keeps me very busy, outside interests, volunteer work, other hobbies, lots of friends, and I read a ton as well... I'm still addicted to civ, and still play MP a lot... I'd call it a good life

	02-06-2004 04:40									#438
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quote: I have a life... kids, a wife

many would say that having a family means you dont have a life.

	02-06-2004 04:46									#439
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It's a matter of perspective. My family means EVERYTHING... but that doesn't mean I don't do anything else. When they were little, I would tend to agree with you... but now, there is more free time to enjoy what life is all about.

	02-06-2004 04:50									#440
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As long as you aren't debating how many ISD Destroyers it takes to kill a Borg cube...

	02-06-2004 04:53									#441
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Not really... to me, this is a hobby, and I'm doing it as a favor for the owners. Unlike SOME people, I have a life... kids, a wife, a job that keeps me very busy, outside interests, volunteer work, other hobbies, lots of friends, and I read a ton as well... I'm still addicted to civ, and still play MP a lot... I'd call it a good life

	02-06-2004 05:00									#442
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i just find it bothersome how the three sci-fi shows i watch (Enterprise, StarGate, and Andromeda) have been trashed so much in this thread... why do yall not like them? are they silly? badly acted? too mainstream?

	02-06-2004 05:04									#443
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Enterprise: It's ok; I watch it because it's Star Trek
Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis:
Andromeda: Corny, but it's something to watch that's scifi

	02-06-2004 05:08									#444
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why is it corny? Because Kevin Sorbo is too much like Hercules (perfect)? but thats how all main characters are. is it the Nietzscheans and their strange stoic philosophizing? what?

	02-06-2004 05:14									#445
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Wait, science fiction ... mainstream?



Sadly, scifi has never drawn the necessary attention from the tv-watching public to earn it the distinction of 'mainstream'. One needs only look at the ratings to know that scifi just doesn't interest most people, at least in the US ... don't know about elsewhere. I blame our public education system's lack of effort to interest kids in science over the decades. Let's not turn this into an un-education thread, but people get turned off when they hear the word "science" thinking it's too complex to understand and therefore get into ... even if it's the imaginary science of scifi. Scifi isn't about teaching complex mathmatics or chemical formulas, it's about stirring the imagination. Yet people hear "science" and start to worry that they won't like it or won't get it.

	02-06-2004 05:20									#446
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I can't place my finger on exactly why it's corny, but I feel it's the same with Farscape ... only that show is FAR better than Dylan Hunt's universe.

I think maybe the fact that Kevin Sorbo is IN Andromeda is what makes it corny to me. I just can't seem to take him for a serious actor. Seems like acting is more of a hobby than a career for him in my view.

	02-06-2004 05:28									#447
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i've seen Farscape and i think it's trash. the farting alien with no legs... is that supposed to be funny? the slutty blue woman... what? the huge dumb warrior type guy... and the episodes are silly... one episode i saw had them on a planet that drugged them into loving living on this planet... i forget what happened but i watched the whole episode waiting for something to happen to make it interesting or make it make sense but nothing happened... then another episode, they were trying to sneak into a bank/storage company for some odd reason...

is there anything redeemable about this show farscape? it seems like trash

	02-06-2004 05:35									#448
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I doesn't take itself seriously. That's what makes it great.

Hynerions have legs; Sparky (John's nickname for Rigel) is a deposed ruler who uses that hover chair to get around 'cause he's lazy. The drugged episode is a plot borrowed from TOS Star Trek. Hell, Stargate borrowed the plot for an episode or two I'm sure. And yes, getting in late on a episode in almost any show tends to make one miss the point for the odd reasons characters do things for.

	02-06-2004 05:38									#449
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Oh, and Pilot has legs as well, but being physically integrated into the Leviathon's systems makes movement rather difficult...

	02-06-2004 05:46									#450
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Andromeda is certainly camp, but it haqs some value as camp.

I simply am not interested in SG1, I don;t find the characters compelling-so I don;t watch.

I don;t have the time to watch Enterprise, thought I also haven't had a very high opinion of most of the episodes I have watched. Of all the ST captains , I find Archer the most annoying one BY FAR.