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"Fahrenheit 9/11" gets U.S. opening date

By Bob Tourtellotte

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Film director Michael Moore's anti-Bush documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" will hit U.S. theatres on June 25 after backers Bob and Harvey Weinstein struck distribution deals for the controversial, Cannes festival award-winning film, the parties say.

Lions Gate Entertainment and IFC Films, major players in the arena for independent movies, will release Moore's movie to theatres, and cable television network Showtime will handle the sale of rights for pay-TV.

"Fahrenheit 9/11" caused a firestorm of publicity in May after the Walt Disney Co. refused to allow its Miramax Films unit, which is run by the Weinstein brothers, to release the movie to theatres claiming it was too politically charged.

"Fahrenheit 9/11," which won the coveted Palm d'Or, the top prize at last month's prestigious Cannes film festival, looks at America's reaction to the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon.

And it attempts to link U.S. President George W. Bush and his family to powerful Saudis, including the family of Osama bin Laden.

"I think, for a large segment of the population, it is going to be a must-see film," said Jon Feltheimer, Lions Gate chief executive. "Forget the controversy, if you look at the body of Michael Moore's work. It's really good filmmaking."

IFC Entertainment President Jonathan Sehring echoed much of Feltheimer's sentiment and said his company has a mission of being a place where independent filmmakers can come to get their voices heard by a wide audience.

"This film will cause debate, but that is also what this country is founded on," Sehring said.

MOORE'S VOICE

Moore won the U.S. film industry's top honour, the Oscar, for 2002 documentary "Bowling for Columbine" about gun use, and at the ceremony that is watched by millions of television viewers he launched into a speech against the war in Iraq.

He has said he is no fan of President Bush and wanted "Fahrenheit 9/11" to be released ahead of the November presidential election so that it might influence the outcome.

"Everybody knows who I am and where I stand. Oh no, I'm not trying to pretend I'm being even-handed with Bush," he told Reuters in May when the controversy erupted.

In a statement announcing the distribution deal, Moore seemed to take a swipe at Disney, thanking Lions Gate and IFC for "bringing good family entertainment" to audiences.

Neither the Weinsteins nor Moore were available to comment, a spokesman said.

Last week the Weinsteins cut a deal with Disney to buy back the film rights for the cost of the film, estimated at $6 million (3.3 million pounds).

Sources near the early dealmaking said the Weinsteins were seeking agreements under which they retained ownership of the film and the distribution partners helped fund film prints and marketing then shared in box office receipts.

Both Feltheimer and Sehring declined to comment on the financial details.

The new distribution partners did say that they already had significant interest from theatre chains wanting to show the film and who were not shying away from the controversy.

Sehring said they had originally wanted to release "Fahrenheit 9/11" on July 2 in about 500 theatres, but moved it up on the calendar. He said the number of theatres showing it had yet to be determined.


Can't wait to see this even though it won't be changing who I'm voting for this fall. But I hope it changes some peoples' minds.

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I'm not interested in it. I just don't like information to be suppressed.

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Great news, I will be looking forward to seeing it.

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It seems the award has the desired effect.

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It seems the award has the desired effect.


I would have rather have seen a film deserving of the award win it.

This film would have been released anyways.

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Generally speaking, Cannes usually means s*cks to me.

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I would have rather have seen a film deserving of the award win it.


Well, Tarantino did say the film is deserving.

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I am curious as well.

The kind of censorship Disney attempted should not be tolerated. At least thats what Democracy is all about and if it cant survive critics its probably not much worth.

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Companies should put out movies they don't want to? What kind of laws do they have in Europe?
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I would have rather have seen a film deserving of the award win it.
Sympathy ploys are used for a reason.

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Companies should put out movies they don't want to?


Nah, the reason is that they dont like the message so they dont put it out. Thats censorship.
If the movie makes valid points (and it seems that it does) then it should be made available to the public. Discussion is good.

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Nah, the reason is that they dont like the message so they dont put it out. Thats censorship.
Second verse, same as the first. Companies should put out movies they don't want to? What kind of laws do they have in Europe?
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If the movie makes valid points (and it seems that it does) then it should be made available to the public.
By a company that wants to put it out, right?

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Atahualpa, censorship is when one person tries to silence another and is usually relevant only to a
state-individual relationship. It isn't censorship for me to refuse using my money to promote what you have to say. If I prevent you or your associates from using your money to promote your views, then that would be censorship.

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Now, the question is, when millions of conservatives run this film down at the end of the month, how many of them will have actually seen it?

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I would have rather have seen a film deserving of the award win it.


How do you know it doesn't?

Politics aside, the overwhelming critical response to the movie itself has been extremely positive.

I'd think that most people would reserve judgment on a film being good or bad until actually seeing it. Not at the WSJ, mind you, but still...

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I look forward to seeing it.

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Atahualpa, censorship is when one person tries to silence another and is usually relevant only to a
state-individual relationship. It isn't censorship for me to refuse using my money to promote what you have to say. If I prevent you or your associates from using your money to promote your views, then that would be censorship.


well its not like this will be going to cost more than they'll earn with it.

Well, censorship is probably a bad word, here. Anyway I think its "bad practice".

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Companies should put out movies they don't want to? What kind of laws do they have in Europe?


I dont know what laws we have here concerning that. I dont think it is regulated by law. I dont think it is necessary to write a law here. Still I dont think high of companies holding back information.

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Disney hasn't been known for making good business decisions lately.

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I look forward to seeing it.


Me too. There's nothing more humorous than one of Moores docudramas. Its sure to be a big hit on the 'history' channel.

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I'm not interested in it. I just don't like information to be suppressed.



Really...

If he wanted to continue to play that bit of drama he should have released it on Kazaa, though it may already be on there,

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I am curious as well.

The kind of censorship Disney attempted should not be tolerated. At least thats what Democracy is all about and if it cant survive critics its probably not much worth.


Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Mickey Mouse.

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I am curious as well.

The kind of censorship Disney attempted should not be tolerated. At least thats what Democracy is all about and if it cant survive critics its probably not much worth.


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I am curious as well.

The kind of censorship Disney attempted should not be tolerated. At least thats what Democracy is all about and if it cant survive critics its probably not much worth.


Ironic that companies should be forced to put something out if they don't want. A reverse censorship if you will. Freedom of the speech as long as it is the message that I want!!

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You will put out this movie or suffer the consequences

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Disney hasn't been known for making good business decisions lately.


Yeah, they are having some big league problems, especially with their animated movies.

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This is a bad move, too. They're not kidding anyone, and the movie stands to make a lot of money.

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If I prevent you or your associates from using your money to promote your views, then that would be censorship.


Disney is preventing Moore and Miramax from using Miramax's money to promote their views. That's censorship.

They are also using a clause in their agreement with Miramax that doesn't really apply to this movie. They'd probably lose in court, but it would probably take until 2005 or so to resolve that.

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Disney is preventing Moore and Miramax from using Miramax's money to promote their views. That's censorship.


Disney kinda owns Miramax, so it isn't censorship. Moore can use any other publisher, or even do it himself (as Mel Gibson did). Was it censorship when no one wanted to release 'The Passion'?

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It will be great.

And frothing Moore haters will cry like little babies once more.

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Disney is preventing Moore and Miramax from using Miramax's money to promote their views. That's censorship.


Disney kinda owns Miramax, so it isn't censorship.


NYT: "Disney has contractual agreement with Miramax principals Harvey and Bob Weinstein that lets it block distribution of films under certain circumstances; dispute centers on whether film falls into any of those categories"

Disney does not have an unconditional veto. According to various sources, they can block "NC-17" films and "big budget" movies. Fahrenheit 9/11 is neither AFAIK.

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No, it wasn't. The point isn't that Disney isn't giving Moore a soapbox but that it is stealing the soapbox Miramax gave him.

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I can't wait to not see it. Bowling for Columbine was enough BS for me.

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Disney does not have an unconditional veto. According to various sources, they can block "NC-17" films and "big budget" movies. Fahrenheit 9/11 is neither AFAIK.


And yet, they have some ownership of Miramax. They can try to stop them from showing films. How is that censorship? Have they prevented every other studio from showing it? No, they just don't want to be associated with it.

The point is that no matter what the loony left says this is in no way censorship.

 
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