13-06-2004 18:51									#61
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Ok.....

Dom, ducki, beta, snoopy, I strongly discourage elimination, since I want to be playing this game past the first couple of techs.

Oh, and I want to be as far away from Dominae as possible, for the same reason

	13-06-2004 21:25									#62
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Or we could just be friends...

I'm strongly against Elimination as well.

	14-06-2004 04:04									#63
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I'm fine either way. Grower, elimination. it's all the same ...

	14-06-2004 05:36									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae Or we could just be friends...

Ok, friends it is then

	14-06-2004 19:44									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D What about choosing/assigning tribes? Keshiks, Chasquis, and Conquistadors might not need their AU buffing, if they are allowed at all...

I think it would be best if Spain and Mongols were not in the game. Incas should be fine, since Chasquis do not replace a wheeled unit anyway.

Maybe we can use Keshiks for advanced barbarians!

So, are we ready to start?

	14-06-2004 19:52									#66
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I am. I just lost track what conditions we finally agreed to.

	14-06-2004 21:09									#67
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We didn't actually agree to anything yet, but at least now we have two groups that are more likely to agree on a set of conditions.

So for the mod group, how does this sound (Sir Ralph, jshelr, Rommel2D, Krill, Gamecube64):

• AU mod (all changes listed below are relative to AU mod)
  
• All citizens have a 1gpt maintenance
  
• All mounted units (including Samurai) are wheeled
  
• Mobile SAM is wheeled
  
• Settling allowed only on plains, grassland, and flood-plains
  
• Forest impassable to wheeled units.
  
• Road movement cost decreased to 1/4.
  
• Clearing/planting forest/wetlands not allowed.
  
• 3 billion, wet, temperate, large pangaea map with small-map tech rate and corruption.
  
• Distance corruption reduced to huge-map levels. See note below for details.
  
• Emperor level
  
• Raging barbarians, Keshiks as advanced barbarians, privateers as barbarian sea unit.
  
• Strategic resources increased to PTW levels.
  
• Minimum research time increased to 5 turns.
  
• 3-city elimination mode
  
• Iron PBEM etiquette and rules, including optional ones.
  

Last edited by alexman on 16-06-2004 at 00:09

	14-06-2004 21:26									#68
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quote: Raging barbarians, Keshiks as advanced barbarians.

ouch.

I'm happy with that. No more leaving the barbs alone.

Do we get to pick civs, or random?

And what about the map? The same map for each, or different?

	14-06-2004 21:51									#69
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I'll start another thread for the second game later on in the day.

	14-06-2004 22:22									#70
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Thanks alex. Agree to all. What concerns your diagram, are there really cities with 200% corruption? Would you prepare the appropriate mod?

The other players of the "modded" group, please post your time of availability (London time please - with or without DST), to make the optimal turn order.

I can mainly play between 6pm and 11pm. As long as the game is still young and there are no tough decisions to meet, I can chime in a turn before work, around 6am or 7am.

	14-06-2004 22:55									#71
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I might be able to play with a turn before work after my exams, but Since I'm GMT any way, I should play after SR.

	14-06-2004 23:36									#72
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One more note. Can we reduce the # of civs for large maps to 6 and increase the distance between civs (maybe to 24)? there's plenty of space and we don't want to start too close, do we?

I tried the settings in the editor, and boy are these maps gorgeous. My only concern is, every now and then (about 1/5 .. 1/10) one of the civs starts on an island. This wouldn't be good, and it can't be noticed within the first 2 turns. What will we do about this? Maybe Dom takes a look at our map and checks only this?

	15-06-2004 00:13									#73
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Edited. See next post.

Last edited by alexman on 15-06-2004 at 01:23

	15-06-2004 01:24									#74
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I'm attaching the mod. Please start a game or two (large map) and see how it feels. Does the citizen maintenance bog down science too much?

Edit: updated mod in later post

Last edited by alexman on 16-06-2004 at 03:33

	15-06-2004 01:45									#75
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I will, but tomorrow. It's getting late and I'm very tired for today.

	15-06-2004 01:51									#76
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If it bogs down science too much could you make it so every tile produces one extra gold so it be like it would only apply to specialists.

	15-06-2004 02:10									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Maybe Dom takes a look at our map and checks only this?

Heh, I guess you're not big on alexman's idea that I design the map. That's fine with me: less work is always better than more.

	15-06-2004 02:37									#78
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If you'd agree to design the map, even better. I just didn't know it and didn't want to be impudent.

	15-06-2004 05:34									#79
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Hey, I noticed Alexman mentioned i'm in the mod group. Is that accurate, or am I in the stock group?? I'm cool either way, but wanted to make sure I know.

If i'm in the mod group (well, either way), I generally play in the post-0:00 GMT (post-1800 Central US time), up till maybe 2300 Central US time (0500 GMT), give or take. I often but not always play a turn in the early AM central US time (1200 GMT or so) as well if it's available.

	15-06-2004 05:38									#80
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Oh, and those changes sound good (to the extent that I don't have a lot of experience with AU mod). I'd say only that I'd not object to strat resources staying as they are, or PTW levels either way; and the tech rate sounds like it might be too slow when you factor in the citizen maintenance, as you mentioned. But, at the same time, that's part of the *point* of this game, no, that citizens are expensive and thus shouldn't be made helter skelter?

	15-06-2004 05:41									#81
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Sorry, it was a typo, I meant Gamecube64, not snoopy369. You both have numbers in your names so I got confused.

	15-06-2004 05:48									#82
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It would be kinda neat if both groups could play with the same map, though of course that won't be possible if Dom designs one of them.

	15-06-2004 05:54									#83
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I'm pretty excited about playing a random map, actually (pre-checked for not-fun stuff, of course).

	15-06-2004 05:55									#84
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That other thread is up now: Jane PBEM

	15-06-2004 06:56									#85
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no prob alexman, just making sure i understood where i was at

Tho i'm very happy to replace anyone who needs a temp or perm fill in later on in the wacky game, god forbid it come to that.

	15-06-2004 07:18									#86
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This Tarzan game is for girlie men. The real men are playing in the Jane PBEM.

	15-06-2004 07:56									#87
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After experimenting a bit with the biq file above, I think the tech rate is OK (Small-map OCN and tech rate, huge-map distance corruption, large-map dimensions).

However, there might be just too much land for 6 players, although I leave that judgement completely up to Sir Ralph, who has much more experience with these settings.

	15-06-2004 10:17									#88
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quote: Originally posted by alexman One restart request allowed per player by end of second turn. Did I forget anything?

Why the second turn for restarts? Wouldn't this be a bonus to expansionist tribes? Under the circumstances, I don't think they need it.

Would all the other rules be enforced by the mod? IE will we have to remember to not do anything that the game engine will actually allow? I thought there was mention earlier of prohibiting terraforming or roading or something outside of cultural borders. I could imagine this slipping some people's minds a few months down the road...

	15-06-2004 10:29									#89
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Here's the whole discussion on Elimination Mode.

My availability is one or two rounds around 15:00-18:00 and usually a bunch of time from 3:00-8:00 GMT.

Last edited by Rommel2D on 15-06-2004 at 10:40

	15-06-2004 11:09									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Beta This Tarzan game is for girlie men. The real men are playing in the Jane PBEM.

Where's Cheta? ;-)