07-06-2004 22:12									#1
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Here's the trailer for Moore's next blockbuster.

It looks pretty good...but then, that's what trailers are intended to do: make things look good.

Judge for yourself:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions...fahrenheit_911/

	07-06-2004 22:19									#2
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2 thumbs up by Ebert and Roeper

Although they also mentioned they agreed with the politics as well. But they say they would give 2 thumbs up to a pro-bush film that was made just as well.

	07-06-2004 22:21									#3
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damn... the stupid Quicktime/iTunes won't install on my computer. It stops before InstallShield opens up and says, "Unable to start InstallShield"

Any chance you have a downloadable verion of that in another video format?

	07-06-2004 22:42									#4
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This one has a Window's Media Player format as well

http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/

	07-06-2004 22:56									#5
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Thanks EmpFab...

Wow... this is going to be a great movie.

Hey, does anyone know the song playing near the end of the movie? It sounded like something from the Vietnam era. But I don't know classic rock for ****. Does anyone recognize it?

	07-06-2004 22:57									#6
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Isn't it Fortunate Son by CCR?

(edit) It would make sense, but hearing it again I can see that its not.

	07-06-2004 22:59									#7
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Isn't it Fortunate Son by CCR?

heh, I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

	07-06-2004 23:00									#8
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Michael Moore is a liar. Throw rocks at him.

	07-06-2004 23:13									#9
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the song is "i'd love to change the world' by 10 years after off the 1971 album a space in time.

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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia the song is "i'd love to change the world' by 10 years after off the 1971 album a space in time.

okay, thanks... I just got the CCR song, and that wasn't it.

	07-06-2004 23:40									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Verto Michael Moore is a liar. Throw rocks at him.

What I found most entertaining on the trailer was Bush's own remarks.

While speaking at a Republican fundraiser, obviously one of those $10,000 a plate dinners, Bush says, "Some people call you the rich, some people call you the elite... I call you 'my base'."

It is definitely no secret who Mr. Bush represents... and it ain't you or me. We're both too poor for that.

Oh wait, but Michael Moore is a liar, so that wasn't Bush. It was a cleverly put together CG representation of Bush. Or better yet, it was a body double.

	07-06-2004 23:53									#12
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Wow... I'm listening to the words of these songs, and they definitely ring true with my political beliefs. I think I might start to enjoy this music more. And there's so much I haven't been exposed to.

	07-06-2004 23:59									#13
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quote: While speaking at a Republican fundraiser, obviously one of those $10,000 a plate dinners, Bush says, "Some people call you the rich, some people call you the elite... I call you 'my base'."

Of course the fact that he was making a joke was lost on you... hmmm? IIRC, even the trailer showed the people there laughing.

	08-06-2004 00:00									#14
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yeah, i figured youd like it sava - tax the rich, feed the poor,

	08-06-2004 00:01									#15
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quote: Of course the fact that he was making a joke was lost on you... hmmm? IIRC, even the trailer showed the people there laughing.

jokes are sometimes truths put in a different light, which can make them funny.

	08-06-2004 00:01									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: While speaking at a Republican fundraiser, obviously one of those $10,000 a plate dinners, Bush says, "Some people call you the rich, some people call you the elite... I call you 'my base'." Of course the fact that he was making a joke was lost on you... hmmm? IIRC, even the trailer showed the people there laughing.

Yes, I got the joke. However, I didn't think it was too funny. THe joke is, Bush and his ilk represent those constituents while the average Republican voter's interests (as with the rest of America) are ignored.

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quote: Originally posted by Sava Yes, I got the joke. However, I didn't think it was too funny. THe joke is, Bush and his ilk represent those constituents while the average Republican voter's interests (as with the rest of America) are ignored.

Don't speak for me SAVA, my republican interests are being represented, may I thankly say they are not your interests. Moore is a joke and will go down in history as one.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: While speaking at a Republican fundraiser, obviously one of those $10,000 a plate dinners, Bush says, "Some people call you the rich, some people call you the elite... I call you 'my base'." Of course the fact that he was making a joke was lost on you... hmmm? IIRC, even the trailer showed the people there laughing.

What, are you going to have us believe that was sarcasm, and that everyone was laughing at him making fun of their support?

	08-06-2004 00:12									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Sava What I found most entertaining on the trailer was Bush's own remarks. While speaking at a Republican fundraiser, obviously one of those $10,000 a plate dinners, Bush says, "Some people call you the rich, some people call you the elite... I call you 'my base'." It is definitely no secret who Mr. Bush represents... and it ain't you or me. We're both too poor for that. Oh wait, but Michael Moore is a liar, so that wasn't Bush. It was a cleverly put together CG representation of Bush. Or better yet, it was a body double.

What a sound defense of Michael Moore's integrity. You manage to attack Bush while also thoroughly thrashing my criticism of Moore.

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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Don't speak for me SAVA, my republican interests are being represented, may I thankly say they are not your interests. Moore is a joke and will go down in history as one.

That's the joke. Poor Republican fools don't know they're being taken for a ride.

	08-06-2004 00:15									#21
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quote: while the average Republican voter's interests (as with the rest of America) are ignored.

Nice troll. It don't work though. 'Interests' is quite a broad term and I think Bush does quite will in promoting the interests of the social conservatives.

	08-06-2004 00:16									#22
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Only by ignorant liberals, and a double..........

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quote: Originally posted by Verto What a sound defense of Michael Moore's integrity. You manage to attack Bush while also thoroughly thrashing my criticism of Moore.

Moore's integrity doesn't need defending.

I just speak the truth. If you interpret it as an attack, then the truth isn't good for Bush. I guess that's why he's a liar.

	08-06-2004 00:18									#24
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Poor Sava. Unable or unwilling to accept that Michael Moore is BS.

	08-06-2004 00:23									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: while the average Republican voter's interests (as with the rest of America) are ignored. Nice troll. It don't work though. 'Interests' is quite a broad term and I think Bush does quite will in promoting the interests of the social conservatives.

That's another one of the big jokes. For instance, Bush appeals to bigotry (in the case of gay marriage) to get support from bigotted conservatives. And the Repukes use other issues like abortion to divide the country. I think you don't quite understand the term "interests" in this context. While Repuke stances on abortion and gay marriage might appeal to conservative's sense of bigotry and their sanctimonious "holier than thou" attitudes, it certainly isn't in their interests to ban abortion or gay marriage. They get their feeble minded sheep to support them on divisive social issues in order to make their immoral economic agendas into policy. Everyone making less than $200,000 gets screwed, while Repuke leaders laugh all the way to the bank. And now, Bush and company use other issues like national security to get support. They appeal to people's fear and denounce the Democrats as traitors.

This is why Karl Rove and his type are so brilliant. They get all the dopes to believe in their candidates. One can never lose if you appeal to the lowest common denominator of ignorance. It's the complete story of Republican success.

	08-06-2004 00:25									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Verto Poor Sava. Unable or unwilling to accept that Michael Moore is BS.

When someone debunks Moore using facts and reason, then I might change my mind. Fortunately for Moore, none of the Moore-hating dipshits know how to debate. They just resort to baseless personal attacks. I almost feel sorry for the right... but they appear to be functional mentally handicaps, so good for them.

	08-06-2004 00:35									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Sava When someone debunks Moore using facts and reason, then I might change my mind. Fortunately for Moore, none of the Moore-hating dipshits know how to debate. They just resort to baseless personal attacks. I almost feel sorry for the right... but they appear to be functional mentally handicaps, so good for them.

Not like you do any personal attacks on Bush, glad we got that debating feature out of t he way, I was worried.

	08-06-2004 00:35									#28
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Why don't you try this website?

Or check out Spinsanity. They have several articles on Moore. Here is one example. This link has a list of spinsanity articles regarding Michael Moore.

	08-06-2004 00:36									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Sava That's another one of the big jokes. For instance, Bush appeals to bigotry (in the case of gay marriage) to get support from bigotted conservatives. And the Repukes use other issues like abortion to divide the country. I think you don't quite understand the term "interests" in this context. While Repuke stances on abortion and gay marriage might appeal to conservative's sense of bigotry and their sanctimonious "holier than thou" attitudes, it certainly isn't in their interests to ban abortion or gay marriage. They get their feeble minded sheep to support them on divisive social issues in order to make their immoral economic agendas into policy. Everyone making less than $200,000 gets screwed, while Repuke leaders laugh all the way to the bank. And now, Bush and company use other issues like national security to get support. They appeal to people's fear and denounce the Democrats as traitors. This is why Karl Rove and his type are so brilliant. They get all the dopes to believe in their candidates. One can never lose if you appeal to the lowest common denominator of ignorance. It's the complete story of Republican success.

I beg to differ. I think anyone making over $20,000 a year benefits with Bush. Not $200,000. Because all I know, is the democrats increase taxes for anyone making over $20,000 a year.

	08-06-2004 00:45									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I beg to differ. I think anyone making over $20,000 a year benefits with Bush. Not $200,000. Because all I know, is the democrats increase taxes for anyone making over $20,000 a year.

That's utter nonsense Diss. Under the Gore's 2000 tax plan, people under $200,000 would be paying less than what they are paying under Bush. Remember Clinton's 1993 budget? It raised the top income bracket while offering small cuts to other income brackets. Pay attention to the facts Diss, not Repuke propaganda.

And Bush's deficit spending is the same as raising taxes. That money has to be paid back somehow. And that means increasing government revenue by raising taxes. You should be upset at Bush for irresponsible spending. Each dollar wasted is a dollar that has to be paid back. And with Repukes in power, you can bet that the poor and middle class will be paying off those debts while the rich enjoy tax cuts and corporations enjoy tax breaks (in addition to the tax evasion that goes unprosecuted).