12-06-2004 01:48									#91
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* Jaguar has a theory.


I think the reason why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry along with Lily and James was that Harry was the last remaining descendant (descendent?) of Godric Gryffindor. It's really the only reason he'd be determined to kill the whole family.

	12-06-2004 01:54									#92
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quote: I think the reason why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry along with Lily and James was that Harry was the last remaining descendant (descendent?) of Godric Gryffindor. It's really the only reason he'd be determined to kill the whole family.

I think that is what I was getting at... thanks

but then, why would the sorting had want to put him in Slitherin?

	12-06-2004 01:56									#93
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Because of the whole "a bit of Voldemort's power transferred to Harry in the incident" thing.

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	12-06-2004 01:57									#94
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There is no way that Snape is still working for Voldemort, I'm sorry. Drake, you may be right about your "plot" ideas, but it won't be Snape in that role- it'll be Draco. Somehow, I bet, Draco will come into Voldemort's confidence and then betray it.

One more idea on Snape. I haven't read the fan sites so I don't know how popular this theory is, but could Snape be a vampire? We don't know much about vampires in Rowling's world, but people do make sarcastic remarks about Snape being able to turn into a bat or sleeping in a coffin, and we all know that sarcastic side comments are often clues in disguise. Plus, Snape lives in a dungeon and always seems to be up at inconvenient times at night, as if he doesn't really sleep much at all. It also might explain his excellent grasp of occulency- vampires and their various mental powers.

On the other hand, he definitely walks around in sunlight, even if he's pale, so that'd have to be an unusual quirk Rowling's vampires would have to have to explain that theory.

This may be an old discredit theory to some people, I don't know.

Speaking of which, I bet Snape will be the Defense against the Dark Arts teacher in Book 7. That should make for an interesting class.

	12-06-2004 02:23									#95
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OK, the theory to end all theories... Snape is the one who helped Harry escape his would be demise agains Voldemortey when he was a child, and Snape is just mad that he didn't join Slitherin. He did this because he secretly loved Lilly and was trying to protect her, but messed up somehow, and instead helped Harry. So now he is mad that Harry chose Gryffindor over Slitherin since that is where his dad was, and Snape hated James.

Not only that but Harry IS the decendent of Gryffindoor, and Snape, with his sinister mind, was hoping to get Harry into Slitherin where he could mold Potter to become a great fighter with powerful and sinister allies such that they could fight Vold. more successfully, and possibly lure some old faithfuls of his over to Harry's side. Yet, this did not happen. Instead Harry got some seemingly incapable friends to help protect him. Perhapse Snape did something to himself to help protect Harry, and maybe Snape dislikes mudbloods and the like, but who cares...

So now Snape is mad/resentful of Harry from ignorantly deciding not to join Slitherin. He is also scared for his life, from Vold., for if he was Harry's head teacher he would at least have a shield from him until he could of trained Harry.

Snape is the one who betrayed Vold. only Vold does not know this, because Snape is good at blocking his thoughts. Is Snape a vampire? Probably not.

	12-06-2004 03:11									#96
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at Imran and Drake.

I'm with Imran on the Harry/Ginny thing.

	12-06-2004 03:34									#97
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quote: Also, why did the sorting hat want to put Harry in Slitherin? Why did ne get put in Griffendor? IMO there is something to the history that has to do with the future, and Dumbledore knows what it is, but is doing nothing to let fate play it out. I think Harry's natural skills has something to do with this, and may parseltongue is not something left on him by Voldamort

This was described in Chamber of Secrets. Some of Voldemort's power was absorbed by Harry on that night. That is partially why the hat wanted to put Harry in Slytherin. Of course, there is nothing saying Slytherin is inherently evil. Harry is born to wizard parents and has ambition. It seems he could fairly easily go into Slytherin.

And I think it is quite obvious that if Harry ends up with anyone it'll be Ginny. I mean, Ginny/Harry matches Lilly/James in many different ways, from the one year difference to the strong willed character.

quote: I think the reason why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry along with Lily and James was that Harry was the last remaining descendant (descendent?) of Godric Gryffindor. It's really the only reason he'd be determined to kill the whole family.

Or, contrary, that Voldemort is a sadistic ***** who wants to kill everyone who is against him .

	12-06-2004 03:38									#98
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quote: And I think it is quite obvious that if Harry ends up with anyone it'll be Ginny. I mean, Ginny/Harry matches Lilly/James in many different ways, from the one year difference to the strong willed character.

quote: Or, contrary, that Voldemort is a sadistic ***** who wants to kill everyone who is against him

He would of still had to kill harry, else risk his revenge...oops

I'm not entirely convinced that part of Voldemorts power was imprinted or transfered to Harry. Especially not transfered, else Voldemort wouldn't be able to do certain things that Harry can, though that isn't entirely true. IMO, that excuse it what pleases the wizards.

	12-06-2004 03:58									#99
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quote: I'm not entirely convinced that part of Voldemorts power was imprinted or transfered to Harry. Especially not transfered, else Voldemort wouldn't be able to do certain things that Harry can, though that isn't entirely true.

It's not that his power were taken from him and given to Harry, its that Harry got some of the powers that Voldemort had because of the reaction between the spells. Voldemort, or rather his shell, kept his powers, but Harry gained some of them as well, like Parseltongue.

	12-06-2004 04:01									#100
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quote: It's not that his power were taken from him and given to Harry, its that Harry got some of the powers that Voldemort had because of the reaction between the spells. Voldemort, or rather his shell, kept his powers, but Harry gained some of them as well, like Parseltongue.

I don't buy it. How could that happen?! It would never happen in real life like that

I still don't buy it. Even the JK hasn't lied yet. If she wants you to keep guessing she just doesn't tell you.

	12-06-2004 04:07									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Or, contrary, that Voldemort is a sadistic ***** who wants to kill everyone who is against him .

Yeah, he's obviously registered Democrat........

	12-06-2004 04:53									#102
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Bah. The tripe of Harry/Ginny again. If Harry ends up with anybody, it's surely Luna. What's this doing polluting a Snape thread, anyway?

	12-06-2004 05:10									#103
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I agree that I think (hope) that Harry remains unattached by the end of Book Seven. I even hope that young Master Radcliffe is correct in thinking that Harry might have to die in order to defeat Voldemort. It certainly would make a lot of sense in the universe Rowling has constructed, and it also would make good literature.

Back to the "most loyal" and whatnot, aren't we forgetting a few Death Eaters? Specifically, the ones who escaped Azkaban, and specifically among those, Ms. Lestrange?

	12-06-2004 05:55									#104
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A few points -

Luna is also a year younger than Harry.

I think that the Harry / Ginny connection would be a bit too easy in tersm of story. The relationship would lack interest and development, to me at least.

I suspect that Snape may even become the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher next year. Because, in order for Harry to become an Auror, he has to take potions. His best OWL will probably not be enough to get into Snape's NEWT class, so a new potions professor will be brought in who will allow Harry into the upper level potions class.

That way, Harry will be able to continue in his Auror training.

	12-06-2004 05:58									#105
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Plus, Snape has been lusting for the DADA position since the beginning; he's destined to get it sooner or later. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get it in Book Six.

And, since DADA is the equivalent of the drummer of Spinal Tap, he won't survive the school year.

	12-06-2004 21:08									#106
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bump, because this is by far the coolest discussion on harry potter I've had in a while.

	12-06-2004 21:13									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Second, the prophecy stated that Harry (or Neville if you want to believe that interpretation ) would be the one who'd stop Voldemort, so I don't think they needed Dumbledore to do anything.

It can't be Neville. The prophecy itself states that the One to face Voldemort will be chosen by him. By choosing Harryy, he made him the One.

quote: I'm not entirely convinced that part of Voldemorts power was imprinted or transfered to Harry.

I thought it had been made clear Voldemort had transferred some of his powers to Harry, ie the ability to speak Parseltongue. Although Harry could have possessed this ability all along.

	12-06-2004 21:16									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer And, since DADA is the equivalent of the drummer of Spinal Tap, he won't survive the school year.

Lupin survived the school year. Or perhaps you mean, survive by staying on as a teacher.

	12-06-2004 21:32									#109
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Yes and no. I can't see any other reasonable explanation for him to stop being the DADA prof except his untimely demise.

Anyway, no thoughts on my Lestrange suggestion?

	12-06-2004 21:46									#110
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Guynmeyer: Voldemort mentions the Lestranges earlier in the quoted passage. They aren't part of the last 6 person gap.

It can't be Neville. The prophecy itself states that the One to face Voldemort will be chosen by him. By choosing Harryy, he made him the One.

That's what Dumbledore believes, yes, but Dumbledore has been wrong before (like not noticing that Moody was an imposter for an entire year!).

The problem is, we don't know what's going on with Neville. Neville has really terrible memory. We know that Memory Charms, especially when done too early or too strongly, can permenantly interfere with someone's memory (they mention this about Bertha Jorkins). It seems logical to guess that Neville had some kind of massive Memory Charm placed on him after some traumatic childhood event- but he remembers his parents' torture. So it must have been something else. What is it? Who knows.

I think it'd be neat if Neville is the one prophesized to defeat Voldemort, but it's impossible to say for sure either way yet. We need to know what happened to Neville that we don't know about.

	12-06-2004 21:55									#111
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The prophecy:

"The One with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches... Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies.... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives... The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..."

Voldemort marked Harry as his equal by trying to kill him. The One was determined by Voldemort's choice. His fear of Harry Potter marked him as the One.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

	12-06-2004 23:04									#112
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Indeed, it's clear now that Harry is the one.

However, mind this - if Harry dies at the end of Book 7, it will mean that Voldemort would be undefeated. But in all honesty, that would make sense. As the prophecy stated, Harry and Voldemort, one of them must kill the other. And, after all, Voldemort is a much more powerful wizard with much larger expierence and understanding of magic. So if they were to duel proprely (no Prioti Incantatem, and no outer help for Harry, such as Dumbledore), it would only make sense if Voldemort won. I mean, he just has to invoke the Avada Kedavra spell again, and he's done.

	13-06-2004 00:06									#113
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quote: I still don't buy it. Even the JK hasn't lied yet. If she wants you to keep guessing she just doesn't tell you.

But JK already told us in CoS that Harry got some of Voldemort's powers.

quote: Luna is also a year younger than Harry. I think that the Harry / Ginny connection would be a bit too easy in tersm of story. The relationship would lack interest and development, to me at least.

But Luna is... well, loony. It'd be terrible disappointing for Harry to end up with that space cadet. If he ends up with Ginny, he becomes part of the family. You could even have Ginny and Harry start going out, but before the get engaged or announce they are engaged, Harry gets killed in the final battle, along with Voldamort.

quote: The prophecy: "The One with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches... Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies.... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives... The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..."

While I think it probably is Harry, this passage is NOT conclusive. The phrase says "The Dark Lord will mark him as his equal". WILL is the important phrase. How do we not know that Neville will be marked as an equal in the last two books? It'd be one Hell of a twist. Now I don't think Rowling will do it, but it's interesting that JK pointed out that Neville was also born in that same month. I think Neville has an important role in the end.

quote: if Harry dies at the end of Book 7, it will mean that Voldemort would be undefeated.

Not really. Harry and Voldemort could BOTH die at the same time. Harry realizing that in order to defeat the Dark Lord, he has to sacrifice himself.

	13-06-2004 01:28									#114
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Ooops... forgot about that part of the passage.

I agree with you Imran; I think the way this is shaping up is that Harry will have to sacrifice his life in order to finish Voldemort. I only hope Rowling has enough guts to carry through with that.

I also think (apart from Dumbledore and Harry) Neville is the character most set-up to take a dirt nap by the end of the series. The whole "it could have been (and probably should have been) Neville" thing in the last book doesn't speak well for our favorite goofy little bastard.

	13-06-2004 01:48									#115
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Verto, Solver: Yes, that's Dumbledore's interpretation. But Dumbledore has been wrong before. We can't just take his word for it. For instance, the massive memory charm that Neville has on him (probably) could also be the Dark Lord's mark.

As for Harry possibly sacrificing himself, how's this? Neville is the chosen one, and he gets to die along with Voldemort. That way Harry lives, but there's still a noble sacrifice from the one you didn't expect it from.

But Luna is... well, loony. It'd be terrible disappointing for Harry to end up with that space cadet.

Luna is actually weirdly lucid. While I don't want to do what monolith threatened to do and start quoting various passages, there are two basic reasons why Luna/Harry is a reasonable idea.
#1), communal loss of a parent. Well, both in Harry's case. This is minor, but it helps the whole "connection" thing. Harry & Luna actually talk in OotP, and despite not knowing each other well, it's the really frank, open kind of talk you might see among old friends.

#2, the big one, Luna doesn't give a whit about Harry's fame. This is crucial- Harry's life has been determined by people raving about his reputation. Now, not saying that Rowling will follow the standard, but among good books where this has been an issue, the forced-fame person always goes for somebody who doesn't care / doesn't know about said fame. Why do you think princesses are always dressing up as peasant girls before going to the fair (plot-wise, not psychologically)? That way, if somebody they meet should they fall in love with them, they'll know it was "genuine" and not over fame/position.

Ginny's early infatuation was probably much caused by Harry's great fame. Not neccessarily the kiss of death, but with another option that has refused to have been "polluted..."

	13-06-2004 03:51									#116
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"But Luna is... well, loony. It'd be terrible disappointing for Harry to end up with that space cadet."

You've fallen into the same trap that Neville and Ron did - you hear all the talk about how insane she is. We don't see her in the books do anything actually that weird, and many of the things she does that are weird seem to be self conscious. For example, the moment under the mistletoe, when she talks about the nargles. In my opinion, she recognizes all of what's going on in Harry's head there, and she's defusing the situation with that comment of hers. Plus, it's bloody hilarious. I agree with Snowfire - she's lucidly weird. Remember, she's a Ravenclaw - she can't be THAT dumb.

	13-06-2004 06:30									#117
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Plus, pretty much every single love interest so far has been a Ravenclaw girl.

	13-06-2004 08:11									#118
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quote: this is by far the coolest discussion on harry potter I've had in a while.

You're welcome.

	13-06-2004 09:40									#119
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quote: Luna is actually weirdly lucid.

Too wierd, however. She can be as lucid as you like, but she's still a loony and Harry knows it. As for communal loss of parent, you said it yourself, like "old friends'". Friends, not lovers. As for not caring about Harry's fame, I don't think that matters worth a lick. Luna, because of her parental situation, doesn't have that 'family' Harry desires. Furthermore, I don't think Rowling would announce Harry's BIG love interest so late in the series. Luna is just another character to get out Harry's thoughts about his dead parents. Hell, Harry pities her (you go out with people you pity?)! Ginny has been around since Book 2, however, so making her into a main character wouldn't be too bad; we already know a lot about her.

Harry will not end up with Luna. No way, no how (if Rowling does do it, I shall be very displeased). Ginny, however, if Harry survives Book 7, he'll be with her, no doubt.

	13-06-2004 23:13									#120
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I still say that Ginny and Harry will never be together. Oh well. Time, and books 6 and 7, shall tell.