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joncha is offline joncha
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Discussion continued from here.

The roleplay thread can be found here.

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No, you can't support such a huge army abroad. Your country just does not have the logistic capabilities for this.


well ihave psoted ample evidence as to why i do have the suport, i have cited real life situations as to how it works, yet all you do is keep stating in your opinion i cant do things, give me some examples of how it wouldnt work...

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The key point that you're missing here, Ras, is that nobody agrees with your arguments. You are the one who has to convince us.

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Exactly. Ras, if you don't believe us, just consider the situation in Iraq.

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my point exactly. how many troops did usa ship there how did they get there how much fuel how many ships planes etc...

i dont know exact numbers but again taking the ratio of theri size to mine it is all possible... if my estimates of
US forces in iraq wrong i will suitably reduce mine in azan... otherwise i have given real world numbers to justify my numbers, if you dont like it then you are denying reality..

I am amazed at all this, it seems that a nation with only 418,000 troops has been able to send a sizable force to AZAN across an ocean too (approx 1/3 clsoer than Auldonina i guess) and no one blats an eyelid...

I post a meagre 1/6 of my forces there and people get upset...

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The key point that you're missing here, Ras, is that nobody agrees with your arguments. You are the one who has to convince us.


i really think lots are misisng the point here, this is a nationstates based Role play... i simply roleplaying using info from there....

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And what info there is that says you can maintain such a huge army in another country so far away from you?

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Frankychan from the previous thread:
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Just popping in and signing into Apolyton to give a heads up on my situation.

I know I said that I would be able to post something later today, but I've been called into work at my other job. I probably won't be able to post on Thursday cause I have to pull a doubleshift, which means I can't post until Friday. I know this'll get some people pi**ed off at me, but hey, RL work calls and I must answer like the drone I am.

Apologies from me guys, my bad.

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Ras, how is it that your calculator gives you such a huge military, but gives the other huge nations comparitively small militaries? A bit convenient, isn't it?

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no it gives centralis a vey large army.... and the hive was even bigger......

as i said i built it to represent the USA so any nation with similar statistics will be large too. reason that noosland so low is that their econmy is weak and they have lemonade as their main industry. I can accept that a poor economy may have a reasonable military, but not if they dont have the industry to support it. lemonade boys and book publsihing empires are not going to support huge armies...

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Well, I made a new calculator.
Since the Book Publishing industry is my largest, I decided that people in nations where this is the case must be smarter, and therefore able to support a larger, more high-tech military and get a major bonus...

Pff. This is why all player-created calculators are shot down by Cerooan I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons, they are all different- each with it's own biases, usually to benefit the creator's style of nation.
(And I'm not saying that this is done out of greed- anyone can justify the bias, like I just did with Book Publishing)

The US is probably a bad example to use- no NS nation could ever achieve the complete dominance over the NS world that the US has over the RL world in terms of military might.
There is also the fact that the US running at a major loss- the federal budget went from a $236 billion surplus in fiscal year 2000 to a $521 billion projected deficit in fiscal year 2004. The US needs increased public investment (education, job-training, basic infrastructure, the environment, energy, and research & development), money from these have gone into covering tax-cuts for the rich, and the Iraq war. If the US continues as it is, its economy will collapse, and without the world's strongest economy behind it, the world's strongest military will not be able to fund wars half-way around the world.
The US military model is a poor choice, it is not-sustainable over a substantial period of time, and it is unique from any other nation.

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Update: I was called into work yesterday and I have to cover someone else's shift today (Saturday, June 12, 2004).

Sorry, but I fell asleep last night in the middle of my post but I can guarantee that it'll be up by the end of today.

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As long as it's up by Monday, I don't think anyone will complain too much.

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Thanks man.

I'm at work right now so I'll be able to post when I get home and finish it all up.

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The US is probably a bad example to use- no NS nation could ever achieve the complete dominance over the NS world that the US has over the RL world in terms of military might.
There is also the fact that the US running at a major loss- the federal budget went from a $236 billion surplus in fiscal year 2000 to a $521 billion projected deficit in fiscal year 2004. The US needs increased public investment (education, job-training, basic infrastructure, the environment, energy, and research & development), money from these have gone into covering tax-cuts for the rich, and the Iraq war. If the US continues as it is, its economy will collapse, and without the world's strongest economy behind it, the world's strongest military will not be able to fund wars half-way around the world.
The US military model is a poor choice, it is not-sustainable over a substantial period of time, and it is unique from any other nation.


The US has been running at a major loss since WWII, only twice has there been a surplus, once under Kennedy and once under Clinton. Republican administrations often run like this. Bush's economy is almost a mirror of Reagans, save Bush gave alot more of his tax breaks to the wealthy.

The fact is our defense spending is way down from the Reagan years. The economy weathered the tech bubble burst in just four years. The US will have to raise taxes Im sure but its economy in increasingly the world economy. Our manufacturing sector is now the major part of the economies of India and China. If the US economy collapses, the worlds goes with it.

The only real problem with the US economy right now is the sheer amount of manufacturing jobs exported to China. If we find ourselves at war with China we will find ourselves cut off from our own factories.

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ok i give up.. lkets just go back to whoever the biggest wins....

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i really think lots are misisng the point here, this is a nationstates based Role play... i simply roleplaying using info from there....


And you are missing the point that everyone has been trying to make for a couple of threads now. You say two million men in Azan is a smaller proportion of your army than the proportion of the American army in Iraq, but the point is not the proportion of the army, but the fact that two million men need to eat and they need fuel for their vehicles.

And I don't want to hear about how everyone but you is ignoring their NationStates reports. The reports are self-contradictory and if you take them literally they'll drive you up the wall.

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ok i get it, no one exepts the amry .. ok

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Post is up, but I'm going to put up another one with more stuff in it.

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The reports are self-contradictory and if you take them literally they'll drive you up the wall.


Well said. My reports are confusing the heck out of me!

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mine have been good and easy to understand since start of game, i hope i dont get any contradictory ones like others seem t oget...

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Careful, lads...
Raspie might 'do a Lazerus' if you're not too careful.

Actually, I doubt that he would, as he obviously doesn't have much of a life out of Apolyton.

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Careful, lads...
Raspie might 'do a Lazerus' if you're not too careful.

Actually, I doubt that he would, as he obviously doesn't have much of a life out of Apolyton.


Not cool. Not cool at all.

Personal attacks arent neccisary.

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Not a personal attack.
Merely a statement of the obvious.

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as i said i built it to represent the USA so any nation with similar statistics will be large too. reason that noosland so low is that their econmy is weak and they have lemonade as their main industry.


1. Lemonade in the private sector, Ras. Do not confuse that with our main industry.

2. By your logic, explain the former USSR.

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1. Lemonade in the private sector, Ras. Do not confuse that with our main industry.

2. By your logic, explain the former USSR.


#1 is important. Those countries have lemonade sales as thier top private sector because thier govornments control all production.

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Now that it's the good guys' turn, what say we coordinate our efforts this time?

Any ideas on what our priorities should be?

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Beat the hell out of FCL.

Well, Joechastan got a bunch of divisions sitting around that can be moved closer to the front to garrison newly liberated cities, releasing other divisions to other tasks.

Centralis divisions are building up to spearhead an attack on Tal Zach, so we should be isolating the city now by kicking FCL troops from other places.



Az,

Is there an airport in Neve Al?

 
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