09-09-2004 15:53									#61
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The RCT graphics dont lend themselves well to city graphics at all, the industries have clearly had more work but most of the city buildings look worse than SC2K, its hardly a step up from TT in that area. I also half keep expecting to see people queueing with balloons and puking on the roads.

	09-09-2004 18:17									#62
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I *found* the game last night, but didn't have time to try it... I haven't seen it in the stores yet though...

	09-09-2004 19:51									#63
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UGH. No pathing finding at all.



I built a track that looked like this, more or less:

A------B
.....|.....
.....|.....
....C.....

To go from Station A to Station B, the train first goes into station C and turns around before continuing on to B.

	09-09-2004 19:54									#64
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Wait, nevermind. I got it going on the right track. it was due to some signal bizzarity where the train wouldn't go straight because, due to the way the T corner was, it thought that it occupied the track infront of it itself.

	09-09-2004 19:58									#65
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I can't get rails to work correctly (Haven't played Transport Tycoon)...
I'm playing the first (of the easiest) levels... first I built a rail from the coal mine to the iron works... no problem... then I build a rail from the iron mine to the iron works, just before those two rails 'get together' I have those "stop signs"... having two trains works fine... but when I try to inclue the third place (the place that needs iron) into the network, it all stops working... I've tried a few ways, but nothing works... could someone with more experience than me please make this network so I can see how to do it?

	09-09-2004 20:03									#66
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The easy way is to do it with double stations at each destination, so the trains come in to one platform and then leave from the other. This means you have trains dedicated to just one commodity, and they will be empty on the way back, but this worked in TT1, and I'd imagine it'll work again.

[edit - couldn't resist drawing a picture]


HHHHH========HHHHHH..................HHHH======HHH
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	09-09-2004 21:00									#67
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In the easy scenarios you dont even need double tracks. Ive been using one station at each end with a loop in between for the second train to via off on while the other passes on the side. I suspect ill have to be far more efficient in the medium scenarios though. Im glad theres no messing with depots.

	10-09-2004 05:45									#68
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs That's how I found it today. The listing, not the game.

Please explain.

	10-09-2004 05:48									#69
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Today I called EB, SW Etc, Best Buy, and drove to Target, Office Depot, and Wal Mart and no deal. I can't believe it, nobody in the area has it.

	10-09-2004 07:14									#70
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd I might take back what I said about the RCT style track building being worth it. You can't make the same kind of compact dual rail stations that you could in the original Transport Tycoon. But on the other hand, you can make intricate underground transit systems and build more sophysticated land bridges. (including all together raised tracks or roads which have turns and all) It'll take soem more experimentation, I guess, before I can really say if I like the new more than the old.

I think it is worth it. It may take a bit more space but you can still make rather efficient dual tracks, and what extra space it takes up is more than made back in being able to build subterranean tracks and bridges over top of buildings.

	10-09-2004 11:47									#71
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I have a question because i dont have a manual i dont know how to do it but when you give a train a tanker and the tanker's main purpose is "chemicals" but also carries oil, in the earlier scenarios, i want to set a train to wait for a full load of "oil" but whenever i set full load it says chemicals and obviously never leaves the station because there is no chemicals there. This also happens when you want to set to wait for a full load of passengers and it keeps saying mail if you have a mail truck.

	10-09-2004 12:26									#72
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No doubt double tracks are more effecient, theres no hold ups if its only 2 trains and 2 track all the way around, you can usually run more trains if none are waiting for full load. But why didnt you compelte the 2 track all the way?

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	10-09-2004 14:40									#73
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OK, so what are the system specs?

	10-09-2004 16:53									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora I have a question because i dont have a manual i dont know how to do it but when you give a train a tanker and the tanker's main purpose is "chemicals" but also carries oil, in the earlier scenarios, i want to set a train to wait for a full load of "oil" but whenever i set full load it says chemicals and obviously never leaves the station because there is no chemicals there. This also happens when you want to set to wait for a full load of passengers and it keeps saying mail if you have a mail truck.

Click and hold on the button and a menu will come up with all the possible cargo.

quote: No doubt double tracks are more effecient, theres no hold ups if its only 2 trains and 2 track all the way around, you can usually run more trains if none are waiting for full load. But why didnt you compelte the 2 track all the way?

The two incoming tracks are actually from different destinations, and aren't yet connected except when leaving the station... it was mostly just an experiment to see if I could get a station to handle traffic well, and it is so far. I also have it set up so that I could easily connect the two tracks and have trains going through various different routes if need be, or expand the station if it becomes conjested.

The exit which takes the bridge rounds back to the lowermost track, and the exit which continues straight rounds back to the track under the bridge.




One thing I learned while making this simple junction.... trains can no longer stop on a dime. Don't demolish track if there's a train coming that way.



And I also have a question... does anyone know what the difference is between the various types of track signals?

	10-09-2004 16:57									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel OK, so what are the system specs?

Probably quite low.

	10-09-2004 17:45									#76
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quote: does anyone know what the difference is between the various types of track signals?

Do you mean the style or their function? I assumed signs of different periods only looked different and that "single" and "double" were just like in TT. But I havent played past the year 1935 yet though and havent had to use any complicated signals to complete all the beginner and easy scenarios.

I also noticed this, if a station catchment isnt covering all of the resource your picking up, you can add extra stations that count as the same station, but do nothing. This oil well was producing around 100 tons between each visit before i added the 3 new dummy stations, now it produces 300 tons.

	10-09-2004 17:52									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Do you mean the style or their function? I assumed signs of different periods only looked different and that "single" and "double" were just like in TT. But I havent played past the year 1935 yet though and havent had to use any complicated signals to complete all the beginner and easy scenarios.

I'm playing the Great Britain 100 year challange, and there are variable signal types, like upper and lower quadrant or long distance, or something. I don't know. I haven't experimented with them yet.

	10-09-2004 21:47									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph Please explain.

At the register of EBGames stores, they should have a 3-ring binder that shows the dates they expect to receive/sell newly released games on various platforms. "Chris Sawyer's Locomotion" was listed as Sept. 8th in the binder, but I didn't see it anywhere on the shelves. I'm gonna try again today; this sh*t's gets more annoying every year. Unless an avalanche or major black ice (ice that covers the road surface and is thin enough to let the road's color show through) shuts down I-80 between Reno and Sacramento, there's no reason Reno can't get things the same day as everyone else in a nation-wide release.

	10-09-2004 22:27									#79
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quote: there's no reason Reno can't get things the same day as everyone else in a nation-wide release.

Apparently the entire state of Maryland is also in that gaming void

	10-09-2004 23:05									#80
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And your state is on the coast. What's their excuse there? Low tide? Turtle spawning season? Morbidly obese people wearing speedos on the beach?

	10-09-2004 23:07									#81
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I may just buy the game off of Amazon if this sh*t keeps up.

	10-09-2004 23:31									#82
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Could someone take a look at the track I've built here and tell me where it goes wrong?

Near the oil-well I have built two railroads next to each other, with easy to switch between those two. Then I had two trains (one a each station... the one at the top station left first, and came to the above mentioned railroads at the same time with the other train... the second train was running on the 'top' track (away from the wells), while the first train just came down the bridge (to those tracks). It perfectly knew the other train was on the 'top' track, but this train continiued on the 'top' track also, and crashed into the other train... it had a perfect chance to get down to the 'bottom' track to avoid the crash, but didn't...


I don't have any of those 'stop signs' anywhere, since with those, I couldn't get two trains to run at the same time... I have no idea how those are supposed to be set up... Could someone give me a hint?

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	11-09-2004 01:29									#83
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According to the box the minimum spec is...

500mhz processor
128mb ram
85 mb HDD space
8x cd rom drive
8mb video card
compatible soundcard
98/Me/2000/XP OS
directx 9.0b

	11-09-2004 02:01									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio I don't have any of those 'stop signs' anywhere, since with those, I couldn't get two trains to run at the same time... I have no idea how those are supposed to be set up... Could someone give me a hint?

I'm not completely familiarized with how it works in Locomotion, but basically trains have to be seperated by lights, in both directions. Think of each segment of track (all that is connected, corners and intersections included) which is between two lights as seperate sections of track. For a train to get the green light to enter that section, there can't be any trains in it.

	11-09-2004 03:36									#85
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With the stores the same as yesterday. So I just order it online from EB. Paid for 2 days, so I should get it next Wed.
However I received my order from England in mail today and now going to load it and see if Transport Giant is any good.

	11-09-2004 06:51									#86
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quote: I don't have any of those 'stop signs' anywhere, since with those, I couldn't get two trains to run at the same time... I have no idea how those are supposed to be set up... Could someone give me a hint?

You need signals to tell the trains to stick to one side of the tracks, kind of like a road driving on the right side. When you place a one way signal an arrow appears telling you which direction it will signal to, if a train comes the wrong way to the signal the train will just turn around (i assume) like in TT.

In the screenshot a train travelling out of that station will always go to the left track, while a train coming down towards the station can choose either platform to load up on because there is 2 double signals telling it with platform is free.

	11-09-2004 15:06									#87
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Playing the full game but very unsuccessfully. So any help appreciated before i delete it in frustration.

Firstly, playing the tutorial, the on screen instructions say 'set up a bus route' and that's it. Is there more ?

Setting up a bus route the bus seems to drive around ages and just keeps going back to the same depot and not pickingup any passengers. I've added two depots to the route but it ignores them. So...

Am i doing something blindly obvious wrong ?

Do depots have facings ? Have i put the entrance on the wrong side ?

Where are all the passengers ? In two years i didn't get any passengers.

In the routing should the wait until full be below the 'go to city x' (probably an obvious question but just checking).

Assuming i ever get any cargo do i have to add the empty command or will it do that automatically at the next stop.

The express/local says that setting it to express will make it only stop at the waypoints on it's route ? Does that mean it ignores stations ?

thanks

S

	11-09-2004 15:09									#88
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Yep, that tutorial is quite annoying at the beginning... It's not an usual tutorial where they tell you what to do, but a 'video' instead... do NOT click the mouse if you want to view it

	11-09-2004 15:18									#89
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Thanks.


Hopefully it will answer my other questions.

	11-09-2004 16:39									#90
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quote: Setting up a bus route the bus seems to drive around ages and just keeps going back to the same depot and not pickingup any passengers. I've added two depots to the route but it ignores them. So...

It sounds like youve been placing cargo depots rather than bus stops...