27-11-2004 11:06									#91
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My biggest hope if for a better AI - one that doesn't need so much starting bonuses to be able to compete. An AI that sees a value to having a homogenous, unbroken homeland territory. An AI that doesn't build useless remote polar colonies unless there's some benefit to doing so. An AI that can figure out a succesful overseas attack requires landing a lot of stuff at once. An AI that can figure out you're going to land more troops on the coast somewhere near your initial beachhead, and know that it's a good spot to try to intercept them at sea. An AI that protects its resources, especially things like iron, rubber, coal. An AI that knows how to use artillery and air power properly, knows how to mass it for effect. Etc etc.

	27-11-2004 22:40									#92
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Polar colonies: I just wish they wouldn't build them in the middle of my territory where I didn't because it was inhospitable. Otherwise, I have no problems with the AI being dumb enough to easily beat.

	29-11-2004 19:08									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Odin I am hoping for a more realistic socio-economic model (as others said, it's not all about wealth and population, otherwise China would rule all ).

They've only got the population, wealth is yet to come. Their army is already the biggest (not the strongest)

	30-11-2004 11:12									#94
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I want public works instead of individual workers
I want different strategies to be viable ways of winning
I want network play against other humans and servers to hook game players up

	02-12-2004 03:03									#95
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It would be nice if the AI was a little more intellegent. I am tired of being able to abuse the "Right of Passage" agreement over and over again.

I would also like some new kinds of interaction with the AI. I don't think that it should be restricted to trade. I think that information, such as exploration maps and feelings about other empires should be shared.

An armoured/protected transport group should be available. Not just with the function of an army, but more or less for the start of the game when you send a settler out, that settler should be able to either group with a warrior, or defend itself somewhat.

	02-12-2004 04:12									#96
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I want an AI that's better at choosing city locations. How many AI cities have you seen which could have been placed on a geographic choke point or in the middle of the desert when just a few squares away was better land?

	03-12-2004 15:41									#97
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My first post has been updated with the info from the PC Gamer article (and a bunch of other sources, but I already added those a week ago).

	04-12-2004 04:27									#98
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Hmm. I'm assuming there will be an Earth map — with cultures in their historic starting locations — with Civ IV, correct? Or is that an unknown yet? Then again, if the game is as moddable as they say it will be, it probably wouldn't take much for a player to make such a map.

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	04-12-2004 04:49									#99
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That's not known yet. Though I think all other Civ games had one, so it would be odd if Civilization 4 didn't...

But yeah, if it doesn't, I'll bet some fan will have made an Earth map within a week of release

	04-12-2004 08:35									#100
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I sure want Firaxis to do as much of that sort of work themselves as possible, a world map and a few regional world maps.

	04-12-2004 13:06									#101
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I really ify about Civ4 right now. I consider MP to be par for the course in the internet age and I wouldn't buy a new game that didn't include MP; the exception being an adventure game like Pirates! where MP wouldn't work at all. The idea that a game must be super simple in order to appeal to the 13 year olds who buy most games just doesn't add up either as there must be some happy medium where those of use who can think a bit should be able to get ahead but the basics should be simple enough for zit faced kids to still understand. If Civ 4 is to simple and doesn't challenge intellegent people then I don't see a reason to buy it.

Religion and 3D is nice but I don't consider either one a "killer feature" like Firaxis has been claiming they will be. Civ 3 barely kept my attention for half as long as Civ 2 or CTP2 so I truly hope Civ 4 is more complex then Civ 3 or what will be the reason to buy it?

That said they can eliminate some of the boring parts of the game and make things flow better by getting rid of workers and putting in a Public Works fund or by having a group combat system like CTP2. Both would be more realistic, would streamline play, and would make the game more fun.

	04-12-2004 13:16									#102
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Soren posted and gave some more info on the removal of unfun elements in the game.

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...968#post3476968

Polution will be replaced with a 'more comprehensive "Health" system'

	04-12-2004 15:45									#103
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Thanks for the heads up. Not that it was needed in this case (since I was all over that thread already), but thanks anyway. I incorporated it in the first post

	04-12-2004 16:07									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Not that it was needed in this case (since I was all over that thread already)

I knew you would be that, it's more about collecting things in the right place.

(And have a reason to escape the studies for the exams )

	04-12-2004 18:56									#105
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quote: I really ify about Civ4 right now. I consider MP to be par for the course in the internet age and I wouldn't buy a new game that didn't include MP; the exception being an adventure game like Pirates! where MP wouldn't work at all. The idea that a game must be super simple in order to appeal to the 13 year olds who buy most games just doesn't add up either as there must be some happy medium where those of use who can think a bit should be able to get ahead but the basics should be simple enough for zit faced kids to still understand. If Civ 4 is to simple and doesn't challenge intellegent people then I don't see a reason to buy it.

While I agree that games should have MP now... the inclusion or non-inclusion of MP will not impact my decision to buy Civ4. I will anyway play much more single payer than MP in Civ4. it's what I want in a Civ-game, a good single-player experience, something that many games lack now, aiming for MP.

Heck, in many games, I don't even touch the MP mode. Like, in Doom3, I completed it twice in SP, played a few custom maps, but haven't played any multiplayer. The only games I buy for multiplayer are Age of... by Ensemble Studios.

EDIT: What's up with Civ3 multiplayer anyway, the forum's just about dead. CtP1 people play more online games than Civ3 people, judging by the forums.

	04-12-2004 19:28									#106
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quote: EDIT: What's up with Civ3 multiplayer anyway, the forum's just about dead. CtP1 people play more online games than Civ3 people, judging by the forums.

PBEM is still very active AFAIK, multiplayer was never really popular around here. ( again AFAIK )

	04-12-2004 20:15									#107
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Yes, PBEM, but I am referring to the usual multiplayer. Let's see, CtP1 was released over 5 years ago, PBEM is extremely active, and regular MP is also played quite often. Not so with Civ3, although undoubtedly the absolute number of Civ3 players is greater than that of CtP players. Why is that, and I want to hope that Civ4 will not have an inactive multiplayer situation.

	12-12-2004 23:17									#108
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I think civ4 will be mostly the same as civ3 I dont think they will be removing the unfun elements so much as changing them. I think anyone who remotly liked civ3 will buy civ4 if for no other reason then it is new. I Think everyone here was hoping for a killer game but there thats 100% realistic and with tons of killer features but rember its still civ.

	14-12-2004 00:50									#109
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I don't think Firaxis gives the public enough credit, they think by making Civilzation an actual better game, more complex, more INTERESTING, that they will lose out on potential fans. They will make money with name like Civilization, I only hope they don't go Tycoon on me and mess it all up.

My cry to Firaxis: Make the game better....make it more interesting.....don't make it for a 10 year's old mind....this is Civilization.

	14-12-2004 10:33									#110
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make the game stretch peoples' mental capacities.

	15-12-2004 06:06									#111
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I would like to be able to build canals, for ships to pass through. I would like to see cruise missiles carried on ageis class ships. Rail lines need to be more realistic. What about having trains to carry supplies and troops??? How about selecting units by dragging a box around all of them. I know civ4 will be on my shopping list, when it arrives.

	15-12-2004 18:07									#112
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@Ephesus:

I totally agree, sir!

And they better put a world map in this one!
I don't want a half-witted RTS game - I want CIV!

	16-12-2004 03:18									#113
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from a "report" I read on Civ4

A feature to be included will be the ability to zoom into a city

WTF?

How doe this come into strategy of conquest?

	16-12-2004 06:41									#114
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I assume that's just some graphic fluff atmosphere.

	22-12-2004 21:04									#115
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Civ 4 will be released in 2004 Mark my words.

* Shogun Gunner checks the calendar....

	22-12-2004 21:47									#116
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In the OP, there's a link to the first two screenshots of cIV.

I'm a bit underwhelmed. I can't get a sense of any "3D-ish" styling in those screen shots and for some reason, it just looks a little bit funny to me. Some of the graphic mods for Civ3 look better than the opening cIV pictures. It shouldn't be that way....

and religion being a key addition to civ 4.... oh, no.

	22-12-2004 21:59									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner * Shogun Gunner checks the calendar....

oh but Mighty Shogun,

you have not taken the special distortion of the quantum physics that will fluctuate through the indescribable locations that this very planet will have the opportunity to move through in the coming future, that once realised will have then proven themselves to be beyond the understanding of mere mortals, even those whom happen to be Mighty Shoguns, nay it will once again be that only those holy seers known as computer programmers, yes it will be these revered and crafty bastards that will have the true ability to know that the day will be within 2004, even though our colanders will most likely state 2006

	23-12-2004 00:59									#118
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That's pretty funny.

Yes, I am far to petulant and impatient and should remember the teachings of my sensi, Master Paddy the Scot. :bowsdeeply:

	26-12-2004 09:06									#119
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Well ill guarentee that no matter what is in Civ4 everyone will complain about it.

	26-12-2004 10:30									#120
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I don't think anyone is denying that.