21-06-2004 12:17									#1
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/...set/3824355.stm

Green Peace says they feel so strongly against the use of GM foods that they sent speed boats to a French shipping vessal which was entering a British port and then sent men aboard to seize control of the ship. There is no word as to what the "activists" have done with the crew but when the British harbor pilot came to guide the ship in to port the "activists" pulled up the ladders and refused to let the government offical board.

I realize that everyone has a right to free speech but what about the ship owners right to carry out legal international commerce? What about their right to not have criminals sneak aboard their ships and take away control of the ship from the crew? Why shouldn't these "activists" be charged with piracy and thrown in jail for the rest of their natural lives? Personally, I think they should plus since the Green Peace Organization is organizing, training, and financing people to commit acts of piracy they should be severally dealt with too.

	21-06-2004 12:50									#2
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It would be a French vessel wouldnt it?

	21-06-2004 12:58									#3
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Because they didn't meet the minimum pirate requirements in terms of eye-patches and parrots.

	21-06-2004 13:00									#4
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Screw that, Yay Green Peace, Direct Action Now, Smash The Gene-Corp Scum!

	21-06-2004 13:12									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Personally, I think they should plus since the Green Peace Organization is organizing, training, and financing people to commit acts of piracy they should be severally dealt with too.

I think that too.

	21-06-2004 13:17									#6
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Would this mean that everyone who gives money to Green Peace is funding terrorism?

	21-06-2004 13:19									#7
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Piracy at least.

For those of you who approve of taking over ships please explain to me why this isn't piracy. So far all I've heard is something along the lines of "It isn't piracy because I agree with their politics".

	21-06-2004 13:28									#8
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From dictionary.com

quote: piracy n 1: robbery on the high seas; taking a ship away from the control of those who are legally entitled to it

It seems clear that they have "tak[en] a ship away from the control of those who are legally entitled to it". So the question remains why isn't this piracy?

	21-06-2004 13:30									#9
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Oerdin, before your head explodes, I'd like to point out that nobody has really seriously stated that this wasnt piracy

	21-06-2004 13:32									#10
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I think it's pretty clear it is. But I'm afraid the UK doesn't hang pirates anymore.

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How did they seize control of the ship? Did they point guns at people, or did they just get in the way?

	21-06-2004 14:22									#12
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Who said it isn't piracy? Since it happened today (or was it yesterday?) the legal process is far from over. However, I don't think calling in a SWAT team to resolve the situation would give good publicity, as they don't seem to be threatening anybody's life.

Would you support the French way to deal with Greenpeace?

	21-06-2004 14:37									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Piracy at least. For those of you who approve of taking over ships please explain to me why this isn't piracy. So far all I've heard is something along the lines of "It isn't piracy because I agree with their politics".

I didn't say that, fact is it is piracy. GOOD piracy!

	21-06-2004 14:46									#14
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If it is piracy then this begs the next question. Why haven't we thrown the book at people who have done this in the past? Surely, a crime is a crime even if you are politically sympathetic to their criminals cause? I'm sure loads of Arabs sympathized with various terror groups which hijacked planes and ships in the 70's and 80's but it was still a crime.

This guys can't be hanged which was the traditional method of punishing pirates but they should still get at least 20 years as should the organization which trains them, finances them, and puts them up to such criminal acts. Just my two cents.

UR: I'm not sure. If it was violent then I'd say give them life without parole but if it was nonviolent then 20 years would work for me. I'm not sure how one nonviolently takes control of a ship though.

	21-06-2004 14:57									#15
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Actually piracy for money is alive and vibrant on the high seas (why is it called high seas, when all sea is at... sea-level?) especially in the Carribean and South-East Pacific. Any particular reason why this Green Peace piracy annoys you, as opposed to the thousands of pirates that also get away with it? I know alot of people find Green Peace really annoying, because they're abit up-themselves.

	21-06-2004 15:02									#16
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Piracy is cool. Activism is cool.

Activist pirates are the coolest thing ever.


And the green peace activists who do this do tend to get arrested, I believe. It's worth it though.


EDIT: Actually, they often risk being shot and killed by the crew when they're doing this. They know what they're doing.

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	21-06-2004 15:05									#17
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I think it is counted as Green Peace getting even. They are down one ship after the French "accidently" ran a military ship through the GP one, afterall.

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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns I think it is counted as Green Peace getting even. They are down one ship after the French "accidently" ran a military ship through the GP one, afterall.

I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but didn't they (the French) plant a bomb and sunk the ship while in the harbour?

	21-06-2004 15:12									#19
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IIRC, the French sent frogmen to set demo charges on the previous Rainbow Warrior.

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quote: Actually piracy for money is alive and vibrant on the high seas (why is it called high seas, when all sea is at... sea-level?) especially in the Carribean and South-East Pacific.

The South-East Pacific? That's fairly empty ... do you mean the waters off SE Asia? I'm told the South China Sea has the highest pirate density in the world.

	21-06-2004 15:19									#21
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Yeah that place.

	21-06-2004 15:28									#22
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I support what is called the SC Security procedures. JUst now browsing through the 'ship safety' section and furthermore the 'against activist invasion' topic, I see that the recommended actions is to open up the less-lethal-weapons-safety-box provided by PWS, take out the batons and electric shocker killers (by PWS also). Shoot the electric shocker killers and put the nice vibrations to maximum and blast them for good 10 seconds and watch them go limp. Then take out the PWS designed Youth Instructor Batons (YIB) and target the legs and arms of attackers. Then just throw them over to the sea.

	21-06-2004 15:31									#23
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Or practice golf on them, like Bruce Willis in "Armageddon"

(What would Ming do?)

	21-06-2004 15:33									#24
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Chemical Ollie, oh yeah, that's was a funny bit

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Throwing people into the sea will probably net you murder charges.

	21-06-2004 15:38									#26
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UR, self defense.

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PC: Mainly because it's in the news while the other forms currently aren't. I'd be all for hanging any pirate who uses violence on the high seas. If they are just activists who are behaving like pirates then there intent is different so instead of hanging them I'd make an example out of them by handing out long prison sentences to everyone involved including any national or international leadership of the organization which knew of this act of piracy, inspired people into commiting acts of piracy, or who OKed their organization's use of piracy.

All of these people should be charged and if they are found guilty then they need to spend many long years rotting in prison cells as an example for others thinking of becoming pirates for a cause du jour.

	21-06-2004 15:39									#28
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Maybe they consider themselves privateers, working for the GP gov.

	21-06-2004 15:40									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Throwing people into the sea will probably net you murder charges.

It depends. If they're unconcious and you just toss them over board then yes, but, if you are struggling against boarders and you wack one over the head with a club and he falls over board...

	21-06-2004 15:41									#30
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I see pekka is still going on about 'PWS'.