26-06-2004 19:32									#151
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Yeah, it's so damn easy to confuse Sweden with Brazil. The countries have sooo much in common, on and off the pitch.

Does that mean, that the Brazilians dosn't own any sence of humour?! Like the Swedes .

	26-06-2004 21:13									#152
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I wouldn't know, I don't speak Portugese.

So, my prediction for the last two quarterfinals:

27 Sweden - Netherlands 1-3
28 Czech Republic - Denmark 2-1

	27-06-2004 01:40									#153
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Sweden - Netherlands 0-0

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	27-06-2004 02:29									#155
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1 out of 5 in the penalty shoot out now... Let's hope that bugbear is off our back now...

	27-06-2004 02:32									#156
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Can't you at least keep one worthy tradition in honour.

	27-06-2004 02:39									#157
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Poor, poor Will Riker.

	27-06-2004 02:42									#158
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Needed a few seconds with that one, but I think I got it now.

	27-06-2004 03:15									#159
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Too bad Sweden. That really is an awful way to leave the tournament.

Congratulations to Holland! After three exits in a row on penalties, I'd say you needed vindication!

Now if you take care of Portugal, we'll see you in the final.

	27-06-2004 03:28									#160
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It's quite indcredivble that these two teams didn't manage to score a single goal. Was it a fix?

As for Sweden, I think they played pretty well. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what they could have done bettre? That makes an exit like this extra painful.

looking forward to Portugal-Dutchland

	27-06-2004 12:36									#161
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Ok, we're either Holland or The Netherland. Not Dutchland. That sounds too much like Deutschland

I wonder.....
When one of the swedish penalty shooters hitted the bar, the ball fall back on the back of the dutch goalkeeper, and via the goalkeeper into the goal.

I wonder......
Penalty shoots after the match ended in a draw are just about the shot on goal. It's not like if you miss and hit the bar, you can shoot it in as well (something you can do during the game)
So why is it a goal if the shooter hits the bar and the ball falls back into the field, and goes into the goal via the keeper?

The ball hits the bar and falls back into the field. That's it. What happens after that doesn't matter anymore....

I really wonder about that.
I'm sure that I'm wrong, but it's strange though....

	27-06-2004 12:58									#162
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We wait for Tsehia.

edit: Although we have no preferance. It just seems that Tsehia will be our next rendez - vous.

Wouldn't want to commit an hybris at this stage.

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	27-06-2004 13:03									#163
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Ok, we're either Holland or The Netherland. Not Dutchland. That sounds too much like Deutschland I wonder..... When one of the swedish penalty shooters hitted the bar, the ball fall back on the back of the dutch goalkeeper, and via the goalkeeper into the goal. I wonder...... Penalty shoots after the match ended in a draw are just about the shot on goal. It's not like if you miss and hit the bar, you can shoot it in as well (something you can do during the game) So why is it a goal if the shooter hits the bar and the ball falls back into the field, and goes into the goal via the keeper? The ball hits the bar and falls back into the field. That's it. What happens after that doesn't matter anymore.... I really wonder about that. I'm sure that I'm wrong, but it's strange though....

I heard on the descritpion of the game that UEFA has decided that since the goalkeeper is inrcemental in the phase then bar hits have to continue. for example hypothetically the ball hits the bar then the goalkeeper and goes in.

	27-06-2004 14:56									#164
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quote: for example hypothetically the ball hits the bar then the goalkeeper and goes in.

That's not so very hypothetical since that happened to van der Sar yesterday.

But for how long would it be possible to score via the keeper? What if the bal hits the bar, lays in the field 3 meters before the goal. The goalkeeper runs around in circles cheering, and hits the ball by accident and shoots it in the goal......... will it count as a goal?

If not, why would that not count while it does count if it happens 0,5 seconds after the bal hits the bar....!?

	27-06-2004 15:14									#165
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CYbershy

I wondered about that yesterday too, especially when the cameras showed Yungberg looking a bit pissed off at something - maybe the ref had disallowed it, I thought..

	27-06-2004 15:17									#166
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it is untill the phase is completed i guess. there's no time limit for that but logically anyone can assume when the phase is over.

1. shot
2. bar or not bar
3. goalkeeper saves doesnt save or gets the ball in
4. the end.

although i guess it would be funny if the goalkeeper panickly would start joggling with the ball on his hands and couldnt get a grip for 10 seconds. heh
but theoretically i think that would count too untill the phase is over, which means untill the goalkeeper has finished.


the reasoning for bars counting though is that the goalkeeper participates in the phase

	27-06-2004 15:25									#167
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although i guess another thing is, what if the ball hits the bars and gets in?

shouldnt this count?

but if this counts, as it does, then whatever happens next in the phase should count.

and if it hits the bars, then the goalkeeper and gets in it should count too.

anyway why worry? you're through little oranges

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	27-06-2004 17:18									#168
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I do not worry, I do wonder

I worried about van Nistelrooy's goal that was rejected since he was (not) offside.
The replay clearly showed it was a fair goal, oh well, nothing to worry. We're in the semi's, we deserve it and we got rid of our penalty syndrom.

	27-06-2004 17:27									#169
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What if the ball hits in the bar, then hits the keeper, knocks him out, hits the ****ed-up penalty spot and rebounds of it back into the goal?

	27-06-2004 21:01									#170
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy I wonder..... When one of the swedish penalty shooters hitted the bar, the ball fall back on the back of the dutch goalkeeper, and via the goalkeeper into the goal. I wonder...... Penalty shoots after the match ended in a draw are just about the shot on goal. It's not like if you miss and hit the bar, you can shoot it in as well (something you can do during the game) So why is it a goal if the shooter hits the bar and the ball falls back into the field, and goes into the goal via the keeper? The ball hits the bar and falls back into the field. That's it. What happens after that doesn't matter anymore.... I really wonder about that. I'm sure that I'm wrong, but it's strange though....

Referee Dik Jol explained the rules in this case, and you are very close to the truth CyberShy:

What matters is when the ball hits the field. If the ball bounces from the bar, then on the field, then the penalty is over and done with.

In yesterdays game, the ball bounced from the bar directly on van der Sar's back and into the goal, without hitting the field, and thus the penalty was only over when it crossed the goal-line.

	27-06-2004 21:02									#171
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"What matters is when the ball hits the field. If the ball bounces from the bar, then on the field, then the penalty is over and done with."

What if it hits the bar, hits the field, and then because of spin on the ball, goes back into the goal?

	27-06-2004 21:14									#172
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Sounds fair to me, that it has to hit the ground.
But I do wonder about Park Avenue's last question though....

	27-06-2004 21:32									#173
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Invalid goal.


The way Dik Jol described it, the ball cannot hit the field AT ALL. Even a straight shot with a bounce on the field before it would cross the goal-line would make the penalty an invalid goal, and thus no score.

This makes taking penalties harder then you would think

	27-06-2004 21:50									#174
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I'd like to make my first prediction change.

Czech Republic - Denmark 1-3

	27-06-2004 21:56									#175
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quote: Even a straight shot with a bounce on the field before it would cross the goal-line would make the penalty an invalid goal

Huh, wouldn't that make every penalty kick over the ground invalid?
As well as the Panenka style shots ( if it's bounces before the line).

	27-06-2004 22:06									#176
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quote: Originally posted by alva quote: Even a straight shot with a bounce on the field before it would cross the goal-line would make the penalty an invalid goal Huh, wouldn't that make every penalty kick over the ground invalid?

Have you ever seen any?

quote: As well as the Panenka style shots ( if it's bounces before the line).

Panenka's penalty didn't bounce before the line.

	28-06-2004 00:22									#177
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Czech - Denmark ->

	28-06-2004 00:39									#178
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I lack the linguistic capabilities of Winston but I do believe I have to agree.

	28-06-2004 00:44									#179
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Czech - Denmark ->

I think I never agreed more with anyone in my whole life!

	28-06-2004 00:46									#180
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Indeed