27-06-2004 00:46									#181
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no, che, that was the iraqis who did that under saddamn.

jeebus, you'd think the liberals would be able to keep those arabites apart what with their whining about diversity.

	27-06-2004 01:01									#182
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Well let's see, they attacked the United States and massacred 3,000 people. What should we do? How about **** their **** up?

That was very informative.

	27-06-2004 01:05									#183
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One thing I just don't get is why Americans Seem to classify Michael Moore as being of the 'Far Left'. Does he advocate public ownership of the means of production? To most Europeans he appears to be at most a centerist, Having seen real leftists I just don't get it.

	27-06-2004 01:39									#184
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Well if hes a centerist to Europeans then hes an outright commie here.

	27-06-2004 01:53									#185
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oreally calls him a socialist.

	27-06-2004 02:09									#186
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha Well if hes a centerist to Europeans then hes an outright commie here.

OK I'll bite, so in what way is he a communist?

	27-06-2004 02:12									#187
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He's being ironic

	27-06-2004 02:14									#188
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No person should ever make a personal attack (ex: Michael Moore) against another (ex: George W. Bush) just to get a point across.

It's very bad form.

	27-06-2004 02:33									#189
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy No person should ever make a personal attack (ex: Michael Moore) against another (ex: George W. Bush) just to get a point across. It's very bad form.

How dare cartoonists lampoon Osama Bin Laden!!!!

	27-06-2004 02:36									#190
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Haven't you seen the picture of Moore and Bush? They're best friends, no contraversy. Moore would surely never make a peronal attack against Mr. Bush.

	27-06-2004 02:37									#191
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I actually saw Moore last week. I was at the movies and he was being interviewed outside as I came out. He is without doubt one of the fattest people I have ever seen.

	27-06-2004 02:51									#192
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Now seriously, what do you guys think of Moore? A retard or jesus?

Given the story of Jessica Lynch replaying Doc Holliday at the OK corral, all the times we bombed sites where Saddam was (and he wasn't), now the BS about just missing al Zarqawi and knocking him on his ass in the street, the worst Moore can do as a liar and propagandist is prove that all sides can and do say whatever suits their ideology, and any resemblance to facts is purely coincidental.

	27-06-2004 02:53									#193
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quote: Originally posted by Verto We know how horrible the Saudi government is. But what can we realistically do about it?

Due to their position in the oil markets and the extent of their investment in US and global capital markets, we can collectively lick their balls in the exact manner they want, any time they want.

	27-06-2004 02:55									#194
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Someone was said, the reason we haven't done anything against Saudi is because Plan B is no good.

	27-06-2004 02:55									#195
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker No I meant your momma. I heard she liked men of girth but I guess I misunderstood which girth she was talking about.

Uh, you might want to chill there a bit. I know you meant a "your momma" joke, but that's still well across the line.

	27-06-2004 03:29									#196
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So make sure you apply the rule across the line and tell the provoker of my response the same thing.

	27-06-2004 03:46									#197
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I didn't see his post, but the same rule applies to him as well.

Besides, you know I like clusterbans.

	27-06-2004 03:47									#198
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quote: He is without doubt one of the fattest people I have ever seen.

I applaud your honesty.

	27-06-2004 05:40									#199
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Moore is the government? Since when?

I'm loathe to do this but you've been annoying me with this for 2 threads:

propaganda - information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause

WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

Notice no mention that the person spreading propaganda must be in a position of power.

	27-06-2004 05:44									#200
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia as jon stewart said, the bush doctrine is followed by the bush asterix.

	27-06-2004 06:40									#201
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Given the story of Jessica Lynch replaying Doc Holliday at the OK corral, all the times we bombed sites where Saddam was (and he wasn't), now the BS about just missing al Zarqawi and knocking him on his ass in the street, the worst Moore can do as a liar and propagandist is prove that all sides can and do say whatever suits their ideology, and any resemblance to facts is purely coincidental.

	27-06-2004 06:53									#202
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker So make sure you apply the rule across the line and tell the provoker of my response the same thing.

Say what?

1. You said Moore makes up stuff out of thin air.

2. I replied, you mean like you.

3. Then you insult my mother.

Please tell how 3 is a valid response to 2 in any way. I was willing to overlook it it because you're Ted Striker, but now that you're claiming it was a justified response, I'm not quite so forgiving.

	27-06-2004 06:55									#203
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Due to their position in the oil markets and the extent of their investment in US and global capital markets, we can collectively lick their balls in the exact manner they want, any time they want.

Couldn't the G8 get together and freeze or seize their assets?

	27-06-2004 07:05									#204
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What do you do when they shut down their oil to us?

	27-06-2004 07:11									#205
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Interestingly, they are not so rich that they can afford to turn off the pipelines very long, especially if their foreign wealth was inaccessible. I am under the impression that we could wait out a Saudi oil embargo with our strategic reserve. As well, other countries would very likely increase their oil production to take advantage of opening in the market.

It would be a little rough, but I think we could break them.

I could also be completely FoS.

We could also support the independence of Al Hasa and the Hedjaz. Without their oil producing coast and the birthplace of Islam, the Saudis are nothing.

	27-06-2004 07:20									#206
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Couldn't the G8 get together and freeze or seize their assets?

On what legal basis? Among other things, a lot of their assets happens to be a continuous flow of cash back to our markets as they buy treasury securities and invest in US stocks. Even if you accomplished this (and even if national courts within the G8 upheld the government seizures), the impacts on global financial markets would be devastating.

Yuppie traders and fund managers hate instability and unpredictability, and when you suddenly put a trillion or so dollars of equity and treasury bonds into question, everybody else freaks out, as they're unable to properly evaluate their intended investments.


Meanwhile, a cutoff of Saudi oil production would imbalance global supply and demand so much you'd see a global financial meltdown that would be an al Qaeda wet dream. Eventually we'd sort it out, but the economic effects and unemployment would be like nothing the world has seen.

	27-06-2004 07:38									#207
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Interestingly, they are not so rich that they can afford to turn off the pipelines very long, especially if their foreign wealth was inaccessible. I am under the impression that we could wait out a Saudi oil embargo with our strategic reserve. As well, other countries would very likely increase their oil production to take advantage of opening in the market. It would be a little rough, but I think we could break them. I could also be completely FoS.

The latter. The Saudis could hang in for years - they wouldn't be able to spend as profligately as they do, but they have a lot of hard assets, and black markets work very well in that area of the world.

The capacity of the SPR is 700 million barrels. That's less then 8 months of Saudi peak production, and that's the good news. Now for the bad news: We're not at full capacity, IIRC, we're about 90% full. We also can't get it all out - that's just the reality of deep well pumping. Once the pressure drops below a certain level, you can't extract it. So let's assume another 10-20% or so. When you get low, the pumping efficiency goes to hell in a bucket, so it takes you a lot more energy to extract a lot lower flow, so in time, your daily production declines, even when you have remaining extractible oil. We also can't pump it out as fast as we can pump it in, and then there's the whole problem of pipeline capacity, so we won't have the ability to restore the global supply/demand balance.

quote: We could also support the independence of Al Hasa and the Hedjaz. Without their oil producing coast and the birthplace of Islam, the Saudis are nothing.

Do we really do such a good job of picking reliable proxies in the region that you want to see us have another go at it?

	27-06-2004 07:43									#208
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If we want to destroy the terrorists, everyone needs to sacrifice a little.

	27-06-2004 07:45									#209
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If we want to destroy the terrorists, everyone needs to sacrifice a little.

How many million people you want jobless for how many years?

And who says we'll destroy the terrorists this way? We'll just destroy their Saudi government supporters, but the *******s will still find ways to fight.

	27-06-2004 07:46									#210
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If we want to destroy the terrorists, everyone needs to sacrifice a little.

Are you now a supporter of the Patriot Act?