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The Emperor Fabulous is offline The Emperor Fabulous
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I have, just got back from a midnight showing. This really is a great movie. Of course you would expect me to say that, but I wouldn't say it if I didn't feel it.

The best part of this movie is that Moore lets the pictures and situations do the talking. He is in this very little, and his narration, while obviously firey, only maintains credit because of what is showcased.

The only flaw that glared at me was that he didn't outright say that Al-Qaeda killed 3,000 people. In no way does his dispute this, but he doesn't mention it much either. Then again, he really doesn't have to, that's not the point of this movie. The point is to show us what the truth is: we already all know Al-Qaeda are the culprits; what the public doesn't know is all of the Bush tie-ins, possible motives, and other fallacies of the administration (and both parties elected officials) that have misled us. It is nothing that hasn't been public before, but it is put together in a fashion that the public can understand what has taken place in the last 3 years.

That is why this is a good movie.

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He didn't condemn every dictator thats ever lived for their atrocities?
Clearly hes in bed with the terrorists, and thus anything he says is a lie.

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Planning to this weekend.

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He didn't condemn every dictator thats ever lived for their atrocities?


Hell, he doesn't even condemn Saddam before railing against the attack by the evil, imperialist Americans...

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How dare he not attack a well known dictator and instead attempt to dispel the "Higher Moral Ground" argument used by the US...
He should insert something at the beginning of this movie that condemns every dictator* in history.

*Dictator: Those who oppose the interests of the United States.
Example: "Chirac is the dictator of France. Musharaff, however, is the democratically elected President of Pakistan"

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Comrade Tassadar, I don't know how bored the others are to your trolls, I still think they're great

Keep it up

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Sadly, Tass is right. So it's not really a troll.

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I love Tass's trolls.

I also know he would probably die if we didn't allow him this release. The life of a Mormon is a desperate one, something most normal men can't survive without help.

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I love Tass' trolls too

As for the movie, I didn't see it, and I probably won't: i.e. I'm not especially motivated, and my going to the movies require special motivation.

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I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm interested in seeing it, but I just don't think I could stomach paying to watch propaganda.

It'll probably never come out in Japan, though, so all this is really academic.

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Download it.


what a great idea, I never thought of that film for dl...

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I've not seen it, which obviously makes me as qualified as anybody to say it's full of lies and is basically an election ad for Kerry. Or Nader. Well, some tree-hugging liberal scum, they all look the same.

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I'm seeing it tonight. I'm oozing with suspense (and other bodily fluids mind you). This movie is going to be great, it's going to make a shitload of money, and the crybaby right wingers are going to ***** and moan until they're blue in the face.

Priceless

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  Old Post 25-06-2004 18:46
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Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous The best part of this movie is that Moore lets the pictures and situations do the talking.


But are the pictures and situations used in their proper context? From the trailer, it seems that they are not. That is why it is nothing but propaganda. Moore takes pictures, quotes and situations and molds them together to fit his agenda.

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But are the pictures and situations used in their proper context? From the trailer, it seems that they are not. That is why it is nothing but propaganda. Moore takes pictures, quotes and situations and molds them together to fit his agenda.
proper context? in the golf scene where Bush mocks the terrorism issue... what other context could this have been in?

sounds like a strawman to me

you should go see it diplomat... Joe Scarborough urged all his viewers to see it... that way we can have a debate about it!

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proper context?



The "proper context" is a context where bush looks good. That's why we never hear anything about him that isn't "taken out of context".

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The "proper context" is a context where bush looks good. That's why we never hear anything about him that isn't "take out of context".
got it

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Suffering from ads?

I'm still recovering from Bowling for Columbine.

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I'm still recovering from Bowling for Columbine.
Learning new things hurts your brain, right?

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Verto, this whole Bowling for Columbine horse you're on has been dead for years, after the criticisms of Moore were shown to be false. Really. if you're gonna criticize the guy, try and find something that stands up to the facts.



Hey, have any of you heard about the whistle blower lawsuit against the FBI. Apparently a translater is trying to fight Ashcroft re-classifying declassified documents which this person translated, which purport to show that the FBI recieved explicit warnings of an air attack. She was the translator.

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I'm still interested to see whether MM keeps his promise that he will "debate any right-wingers on this anytime". Joe Scarborough has invited him on his show already...let's see what MM is made of.

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Verto, this whole Bowling for Columbine horse you're on has been dead for years, after the criticisms of Moore were shown to be false. Really. if you're gonna criticize the guy, try and find something that stands up to the facts.


All the criticisms have been shown to be false? So, for example, Michael Moore didn't really lie when he said "Willie Horton released. Then kills again"...except in the DVD release, when he edited it.

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Hey, have any of you heard about the whistle blower lawsuit against the FBI. Apparently a translater is trying to fight Ashcroft re-classifying declassified documents which this person translated, which purport to show that the FBI recieved explicit warnings of an air attack. She was the translator.


Ashcroft

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Originally posted by Verto All the criticisms have been shown to be false? So, for example, Michael Moore didn't really lie when he said "Willie Horton released. Then kills again"...except in the DVD release, when he edited it.


http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

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Actually, I have found one typo in the theatrical release of the film. It was a caption that read, "Willie Horton released by Dukakis and kills again." In fact, Willie Horton was a convicted murderer who, after escaping from furlough, raped a woman and stabbed her fiancé, but didn't kill him. The caption has been permanently corrected on the DVD and home video version of the film and replaced with, "Willie Horton released. Then rapes a woman." My apologies to Willie Horton and the Horton family for implying he is a double-murderer when he is only a single-murderer/rapist.

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I should have known a terrorist like Verto would defend a murderer.

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All the criticisms have been shown to be false?


Did I say all? Of all the ones you could pick, the Willie Horton one was really the silliest.






I have to run to the mall to get fitted for my tux, but then I have to come back and head the opposite direction to get to a theater playing F911. I'm on a bike, in Mid-day Florida weather. Oh well, at least the theater will be cool.

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Yes, I say that, right after he states that "I can guarantee to you, without equivocation, that every fact in my movie is true." I am puzzled as to when a fact can be untrue, yet remain a fact.

So, he admits there is a "typo", although how one can call it a typo when you use murder instead of rape...he then tries to use sarcasm to make you want to shrug the whole thing off.

Similar to how rockets that place satellites into space are weapons of mass destruction. In his own words, "That Lockheed lets the occasional weather or TV satellite hitch a ride on one of its rockets should not distract anyone from Lockheed's main mission and moneymaker in Littleton: to make instruments that help kill people. That two of Littleton's children decided to engineer their own mass killing is what these guys and the Internet crazies don't want to discuss."

 
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