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This movie should be required viewing for every man, woman, and child in America. ESPECIALLY for Bush supporters or Iraq war supporters.
The movie isn't for them. It's an attempt to preach to the chior.

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Actually, it's for the undecided middle.

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The 911 massacre was very tastefully handled, IMO.

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The movie isn't for them. It's an attempt to preach to the chior.


Bullshit. Absolute, 100% bullshit. It is for every American to see. While it has a leftist tone to it, it has information that many people don't see, because it certainly isn't given in the "liberal" media.

The purpose of the movie is to question the authority, something which every American has a right to and which the right wing and the Administration has tried to prevent.

The reason so many righties have been protesting, boycotting, and trying to get this movie censored and banned is because it lets the general public know many things that they would otherwise be ignorant of.

The right fears this movie, and Michael Moore, because it is one of the few vocal challanges to an otherwise blissful monopoly. The right has the Executive, Legistlative, and Judicial brances, most of the Governorships, many state legislatures, and a very large number of the people in power in the economic sector. This movie wants to get people to think and see that all this control may not be in the best interest of the American people.

That, my friend, is why this movie is 100% for every man, woman, and child.

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Hey, wait a minute -- I hate to appear to be siding with the conservative thugs here, but I got a quibble now.


Liberals and others have lambasted Bush for using humor in a public appearance not too long ago and then they lambasted the Bush campaign for using 9/11 in one of its ads.


So how is it different from Moore using 9/11 images for his own interest from that of Bush using images of 9/11 for his own interest??

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Actually, it's for the undecided middle.
Given the outlandish claims it contains, I doubt that very much.

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I nearly cried when that poor Lipscomb woman was having hysterics over the loss of her son – no thanks to that insensitive ***** who had a go at her.

On the other hand, I nearly died laughing at the Taliban diplomat's response to that female reporter.

I don't think it's meant to be an extended argument in opposition to Bush, rather an attempt to show people just what they've signed up for.

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I don't think it's meant to be an extended argument in opposition to Bush,


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Hey, wait a minute -- I hate to appear to be siding with the conservative thugs here, but I got a quibble now.

Liberals and others have lambasted Bush for using humor in a public appearance not too long ago and then they lambasted the Bush campaign for using 9/11 in one of its ads.

So how is it different from Moore using 9/11 images for his own interest from that of Bush using images of 9/11 for his own interest??


Mr. Fun just found out the moral to the story... Congrats free thinker.

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Bullshit. Absolute, 100% bullshit.
Not really. From everything I've read the movie, the movie doesn't really seem to be aimed at the mythical "common" man. Hero worship to the contrary.

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Given the outlandish claims it contains, I doubt that very much.


Don't give us that trash. The administration's lies and distortions about the justification for the war are far worse than anything Moore might have done. After all no-one has been maimed or killed watching Moore's film.

No Bush supporter has any business accusing anyone else of propagating lies.

You lost all the arguments some time ago and it's time to realize they took you for saps.

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Mr. Fun just found out the moral to the story... Congrats free thinker.


So then you agree with me that Bush's use of 9/11 images was hardly anymore ethical then?

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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Agathon
Don't give us that trash.[/q]I won't try to confuse you with facts. I apologize.

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damn it -- did Harry just disappear before answering my question

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So then you agree with me that Bush's use of 9/11 images was hardly anymore ethical then?


I wouldn't say that there is an ethics problem using pictures of a recent event in any ad or movie. The point I'm making is that conclusions are being drawn using material that is naturally emotional. All propaganda uses it, whether it be a campaign commercial of Mom and Apple Pie, the WTC tragedy, or cryptic music in a movie. Both parties, Moore and Bush, have used icons to influence others.

It's up to you to see through what you are seeing and what they want you to see. Moore wants you to see a tragedy based around incompetance and corruption, Bush wants you to see a tragedy and how well he thinks he dealt with it.

Is this manipulation unethical? Remember there is a difference between making an argument with imagery and showing imagery with an argument.

Chew on that awhile. No politico is ever totally "clean".

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You don't have any facts DD; at least none which can convince the majority of the world's population.

You can pick at the edges of Moore's film if you like, but the main thrust is basically true: Bush took you for saps and only the commie-hippy-pinko traitors were smart enough to see through it and predict with reasonable degrees of accuracy what actually came to pass. And it ain't over yet...

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@ Harry

hmm . . . . .

fair enough

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damn it -- did Harry just disappear before answering my question


Nope, just taking my time and making a clear statement for the enjoyment of everyone.

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* DinoDoc decides he'd rather talk to che & TEF (if he can get past the rather annoying hero worship) than debate with a moron.

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DD -- some liberals worship Moore while some conservatives worship Reagan's legacy, or now, President Bush.

the merry-go-round goes round and round . . . . .

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Nope, just taking my time and making a clear statement for the enjoyment of everyone.


ok

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I haven't even seen the movie and I've already seen proven allegations of conversation butchered in the editting room and Moore playing fast and loose with the facts on several other points from sources that can hardly be described as right wing. I don't really see the justification for the vitriol being heaped at the people who suggest Moore might not be a paragon of truth and virtue.

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oh, you mean the truth that you wanna hear?

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Well then why read about the movie when you can see it for yourself and come to your own, well-informed decision based on first-hand experience DD?

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I still can't believe some of you are so willing to shell out your hard-earned cash to watch propaganda. Shouldn't Moore being paying us to watch this movie, or at the very least making it free to see?

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why who he want to see it? it might make him think.

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How'd the film go over in the heart of Bush country? One viewer writes in:
Mr. Moore:
I'm sorry I have no pictures for you, but I felt it necessary to deliver some good news. I live in Collin County, Texas, which is the Plano/North Dallas area. Collin County was once dubbed "possibly the most Republican county in the country" by The Dallas Morning News. This morning I attended the first screening of Fahrenheit at the Angelika Theatre in Plano and although I arrived early, the showing was almost sold out. The movie truly was a roller coaster of emotions moving so quickly on several occasions from humorous Mr. Bush moments, to reactions of people about 9/11 or images of injured Iraqis, and American soldiers. By the end of the movie you received a standing ovation for your film.


Also, I wanted to thank you for making your film not only for the message and entertainment, but for restoring my hope in the future of this nation. Prior to this movie, although I would like to see a Democrat in the White House in January, I felt it was nothing more than a lovely dream. Now, judging by the reaction your film received in Bush Country, Texas, I can only imagine what it did in states not quite as heavily leaning to the Right. Fahrenheit 9/11 restored my faith in the possibility of avoiding another four years of "Dubya"!
Signed, D.C.

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oh, you mean the truth that you wanna hear?
No, I mean the one that is backed up by facts and doesn't need a cutting room floor to get by.

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Hopefully such suggestable people wont see Dokument vom Reichsparteitag 1934 .

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Well then why read about the movie when you can see it for yourself and come to your own, well-informed decision based on first-hand experience DD?
2 reasons:

1) It's no where near me.
2) If I wish to subject myself to propaganda, I'll stick with America's Army because it's both free and entertaining.

 
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