28-06-2004 17:03									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue This is really a victory over the terrorists, and it shows their plotting and murdering will never sway the American or Iraqi people to do what they want.

to do what YOU want to put it correctly

	28-06-2004 17:09									#32
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quote: Originally posted by dannubis to do what YOU want to put it correctly

Well if it was up to your country, Saddam would still be murdering people.

	28-06-2004 17:41									#33
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quote: Dan Rather (be a hammer than a nail...sorry, lyric from a song...couldn't resist ) said that this move seemed to be indicative of just how bad things are on the ground in Iraq.

Of course Dan Rather said that.

	28-06-2004 17:58									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Well if it was up to your country, Saddam would still be murdering people.

that has nothing to do with what i was trying to point out.

the iraqi's have nothing to say in their own country right now. and i wonder who will be allowed to take part in this free elections that are to be organized... all parties or only those who you deem non terrorist?

and it is not that the prime cause of death in iraq these days is "natural causes".

	28-06-2004 18:02									#35
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This government faces an uphill battle to survive let alone establish any credibility whilst US troops remain on the ground.

I think only political talks involving all Iraqi parties, a UN peacekeeping force and UN supervised elections have any chance of success.

Kofi should say to Bush: come with me if you want to live.

	28-06-2004 18:36									#36
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Dan Rather (be a hammer than a nail...sorry, lyric from a song...couldn't resist ) said that this move seemed to be indicative of just how bad things are on the ground in Iraq.

Riiiiight. People were saying that we would never hand over sovereignty, and so would find a way to delay, delay, delay.

So we hand it over a few days early, and what happens?

"This is a bad sign"

	28-06-2004 18:45									#37
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We transfer power two days earlier than scheduled in an attempt to save lives against any staged attack...and this is a bad thing?

	28-06-2004 18:52									#38
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While the transfer of power is a good thing, it is only a partial transfer of power. And the change of date shows that something is wrong. The coming six months will tell if it works, but I'm not so optimistic.

	28-06-2004 18:57									#39
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This can only end in anarchy.

Hell I'm happy

	28-06-2004 19:36									#40
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Anarchy can't exist. Not while US/coalition forces are there. So kiss my behind, and which flag is that in your avatar? Ah yes, Angola.. go move there.

	28-06-2004 19:38									#41
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and how would you describe the state of iraq right now then ?

a very stable democracy ?

	28-06-2004 19:41									#42
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quote: Originally posted by dannubis and how would you describe the state of iraq right now then ? a very stable democracy ?

Nope. It is transitioning. The country has to be secured by this government.

But if it was up to you leftists in Europe, Saddam would still be ruling. Or worse, the now long dead Uday.

	28-06-2004 20:12									#43
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Or worse, Gary Coleman

	28-06-2004 20:15									#44
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It's nice to note the massive attacks just prior to the switch may now become the massive attacks right after the switch.

We can now start on a new ledger.

	28-06-2004 20:47									#45
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I twill be interesting the response when the attacks come. Word has it that the Iraqis thought the US response was too soft in many cases.

	28-06-2004 21:29									#46
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quote: Originally posted by dannubis and how would you describe the state of iraq right now then ? a very stable democracy ?

Is that how you would describe Germany in 1946?

	28-06-2004 21:34									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Verto We transfer power two days earlier than scheduled in an attempt to save lives against any staged attack...and this is a bad thing?

No. You transferred power two days early to steal the spotlight from Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" success.

	28-06-2004 21:35									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu No. You transferred power two days early to steal the spotlight from Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" success.

I doubt it. Very much so. Put away the tinfoil.

	28-06-2004 21:38									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Verto I doubt it. Very much so. Put away the tinfoil.

You "doubt it"? That's it?

	28-06-2004 21:38									#50
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Is that how you would describe Germany in 1946?

you know, I never remeber hearing about those terrorist attacks in German 46-oh wait, there were few if any..

Oh, and that glorious liberation decree-, oh, no wait, we never called it a liberation, but an occupation outright, form the start, given Germany was the agressor. But we can forget that too, no?

	28-06-2004 21:39									#51
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Give me a break gepap, there were countless terrorist attacks and this was going on until 1949 in Germany. Don't you lie about history like that.

	28-06-2004 21:40									#52
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Anybody see Doonesbury yesterday?

	28-06-2004 21:42									#53
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to tranfer of power...

nothing much is changing... the US is giving the impression the unelected, US appointed, illegitimate, unpopular Iraqi Governing Council has more power now. This group is made up of primarily former exiles with little or not popular support within Iraq. If the US is trying to fuel a nationalist revolution on the part of the Iraqis, this will be a very good move. Because the Iraqi people aren't going to see this group as being legitimate. It will probably fuel more violence.

	28-06-2004 21:43									#54
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Dan Rather has admited that he's a political leftist and that he colors all of his articles with his political ideology. Think of him as a blander version of Moore or Coulter. Does that sound like a reliable source of news to you?

	28-06-2004 21:44									#55
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Oh the glorious Sava makes a complete jerk of himself as misrepresenting the facts of yet another historical event. You are wrong Sava. I've seen indications that this interim government actually has significant amounts of support (in fact a majority). It is highly unfortunate you can't see reality of this event, even if it hit you in the face. Unfortunate really.

	28-06-2004 21:45									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Give me a break gepap, there were countless terrorist attacks and this was going on until 1949 in Germany. Don't you lie about history like that.

provide a shred of evidence for this fezbot.

	28-06-2004 21:45									#57
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It's a conspiracy, Microsoft does not bow to European demands... huh? opps wrong thread...

	28-06-2004 21:46									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Dan Rather has admited that he's a political leftist and that he colors all of his articles with his political ideology. Think of him as a blander version of Moore or Coulter. Does that sound like a reliable source of news to you?

yes- speically compared to every single anchor in Fox, like Cavuto.

	28-06-2004 21:48									#59
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quote: Originally posted by GePap provide a shred of evidence for this fezbot.

http://articles.findarticles.com/p/..._50/ai_66157021

	28-06-2004 21:49									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Dan Rather has admited that he's a political leftist and that he colors all of his articles with his political ideology. Think of him as a blander version of Moore or Coulter. Does that sound like a reliable source of news to you?

yes dan rather is a leftist

why'd you say something so stupid oerdin?

if there's any question about Rather, one should only review the news leading up to and during the Iraq invasion. Rather was beating the "patriotic" war drums harder than anyone in the "mainstream media".

Rather a leftist... stop with these silly assertions oerdin, I just might **** myself in laughter.

quote: Oh the glorious Sava makes a complete jerk of himself as misrepresenting the facts of yet another historical event. You are wrong Sava. I've seen indications that this interim government actually has significant amounts of support (in fact a majority). It is highly unfortunate you can't see reality of this event, even if it hit you in the face. Unfortunate really.

I could list each member of the Governing Council and post facts about their past... but facts are usually lost on you. Take Allawi for instance... he's a former CIA asset. Take Chalabi... I think we all know how Chalabi manipulated the dopey chickenhawks into believe the US would be welcomed with open arms.

Just pay attention to the news in Iraq Fezzikins. And I will forgive you for your errors after you see how the violence is getting worse. I guess last week's attacks were just all leftist lies eh? Like Wolfowitz said, all the reporters are just hiding in Baghdad making up rumors, eh?