11-07-2004 13:38									#31
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umm... abstinence is a sure way to prevent AIDS... what's the problem?

	11-07-2004 13:45									#32
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The problem is that liberals would rather we feel bad for ourselves than address the real issue.

	11-07-2004 13:49									#33
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feel bad for ourselves how? by helping africans not contract a fatal disease?

	11-07-2004 13:52									#34
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Read Leo's post to me - in response to my point that I shouldn't have to pay for the bad decision to have sex in an AIDs rich environment, he said that they have to pay for my lifestyle. Aside from the fact that that assertion isn't really true, it also completely misses the point.

	11-07-2004 14:02									#35
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yeah but dave... you're just a coldhearted bastard...

and as for leo... what insanity is this? we're out there stressing the only 100% effective way to combat AIDS... the article says it's been working in Uganda at least. what are we doing wrong? are you insane, Leo?

or is this that all too common situation of the US' *****, the UN, fully aware that we are it's pimp and master, just making snide remarks and biting at us cause thats all it can ****ing do?

	11-07-2004 14:06									#36
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd And I thought you were talking about how the world economy would be grossly affected by the collapse of African nations.

Well, I wasn't. My have expressed myself poorly.

quote: But then you turn around and say that they aren't prosperous enough to import much, meaning that the economic collapse of Eritrea would concern the world economy not in the least.

Well, it certainly would affect the world economy. Just not much.

	11-07-2004 14:31									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich * Kucinich feels similarly to DD

That's a lie.

If you don't care, why would you bother to respond at all?

	11-07-2004 14:32									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer umm... abstinence is a sure way to prevent AIDS... what's the problem?

Because you can contract the HIV virus from a number of ways.

* Urban Ranger shakes head

	11-07-2004 14:34									#39
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i doubt blood transfussions are the way most Africans are contracting AIDS...

	11-07-2004 14:45									#40
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You still cannot just tell people just stop doing X when X is just as basic to a human being as eating, drinking, and breathing.

	11-07-2004 14:49									#41
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i have never had sex

	11-07-2004 14:52									#42
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That explains a lot.










j/k

	11-07-2004 14:54									#43
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If Africans stopped having sex, the consequences would be rather worse than what AIDS currently doing ...

	11-07-2004 14:54									#44
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my point is, it's a necessity for the species but not for an individual organism. they can all just jack off or something to get it out of their system. i dont know.

	11-07-2004 17:57									#45
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo It doesn't prevent the spread of AIDS.

How so?

	11-07-2004 17:59									#46
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It merely impedes it but won't stop the spread utterly

	11-07-2004 18:00									#47
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You still haven't answered the question.

	11-07-2004 18:58									#48
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by Kucinich See my sig. So, you don't give a **** that the Bush Administration is condemning hundreds of millions of Africans to a hellish death?

Hellish? I thought we were talking about AIDS, not Ebola. As deaths go, AIDS isn't particularly hellish.

Condemning? How so? It's their own damn fault.

	11-07-2004 19:02									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger That's a lie. If you don't care, why would you bother to respond at all?

For the same reason DD does, I'm sure: I'm bored, and Apolyton is entertaining.

	11-07-2004 19:04									#50
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I like the "My precious gives a **** is broken" line anyway.

	11-07-2004 19:04									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger You still cannot just tell people just stop doing X when X is just as basic to a human being as eating, drinking, and breathing.

Not exactly... given that there are people who die without having had sex (granted, few of them), but NONE who die (a reasonable time after birth) without having eaten, drunk, or breathed.

	11-07-2004 19:05									#52
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How many people here, who aren't pathetic nerds who can't get a woman, would actually take seriously the idea that they should never have sex, or that they should have sex only while married?

Since preaching abstinence doesn't even work as well as contraception advice in preventing teen pregnancies, I fail to see why it is supposed to work to prevent the spread of AIDS.

	11-07-2004 19:15									#53
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Personally I'm trying to understand the He's condemning people to death line. It reminds me of Mr Fun's idiotics rants regarding Reagan.

	11-07-2004 19:22									#54
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Because taking some sort of religious stance on this matter and refusing to help unless worthless "abstinence" campaigns are included leads to many deaths.

Bush and the Republicans are idiots at the best of times, but on this issue they have stooped even lower.

	11-07-2004 19:23									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon How many people here, who aren't pathetic nerds who can't get a woman, would actually take seriously the idea that they should never have sex, or that they should have sex only while married?

When surrounded by AIDS, yes.

	11-07-2004 19:24									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Because taking some sort of religious stance on this matter and refusing to help unless worthless "abstinence" campaigns are included leads to many deaths.

No it doesn't. It just fails (according to your claim) to prevent them.

	11-07-2004 19:27									#57
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And only Republicans believe that omissions are less blameworthy than acts.

	11-07-2004 19:28									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Because taking some sort of religious stance on this matter and refusing to help unless worthless "abstinence" campaigns are included leads to many deaths.

It seems to me irresponsible habits in a veritable hot zone of STDs is what is leading to deaths in this case.

	11-07-2004 19:29									#59
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc It seems to me irresponsible habits in a veritable hot zone is what is leading to deaths in this case.

Typical Republicans. Blame the victims.

	11-07-2004 19:32									#60
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And we are just as naturally irresponsible in our own sexual habits. It's just that we have the state and societial conditions to mitigate the effects of our behaviour. If we lived in an African society we would probably be behaving in much the same fashion.