18-07-2004 03:17									#1
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I try to, often

of course I am not very good at it

I am an SDA, and we keep the Sabbath (Saturday), as do the Jews (a couple other christian denominations also keep it, we actually got it from one of them)

other christian groups seem to not keep sunday in the same sort of way (considering it a holy day) although a few do

I think that it is impotant for everyone, even atheists, to keep a day of rest, where you take a break from the hustle and bustle of life

Jon Miller

	18-07-2004 03:22									#2
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Everyday is Sabbath day.

	18-07-2004 03:23									#3
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Well, as a student, the problem is in that there is frequently stuff due Monday. And usually Saturday I'm too tired to do it from a busy previous week and I like to try to have fun on Saturdays. That basically means I have to work Sundays.

	18-07-2004 03:35									#4
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quote: other christian groups seem to not keep sunday in the same sort of way (considering it a holy day) although a few do

What do you mean?

Almost all Christian churches keep a sabbath, whether on Saturday, or Sunday.

What do you mean by keeping the sabbath? As a day of rest from your other duties, I can see this.

I used to work for a delivery company on Saturdays and Sundays after requesting to change the schedule many times. I would end up going to church first thing in the morning, and then working, and resting on Monday.

Since then, I haven't worked on Sunday.

As for students, just because something is due on Monday doesn't mean you have to do it on Sunday. I know sometimes it can't be helped, and I've done work on Sunday, however, I find myself more efficient with the day off then not taking one.

	18-07-2004 03:42									#5
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I have only studied on the Sabbath (which is Saturday) once or twice (and I feel bad about both times)

I have only shopped once or twice (also feel that it was wrong)

I use to not watch TV or play Video games, still try to keep the TV watching down to a minimum (decided to play video games when I found that I spent a lot of time thinking about them anyway, still somedays feel like I should not)

by keeping I guess I mean refrain from work, and causing other people to work (as much as possible)

Jon Miller

	18-07-2004 03:57									#6
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I'd likt to use this space to say: Black Sabbath rules!

but no, I do not keep any sabbath. and I work on that day.

	18-07-2004 04:28									#7
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...

Hopefully, the answer in my case is obvious

	18-07-2004 04:59									#8
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I am a Christian, I teach Sunday School and I am also an Ordained Deacon. What i would like to share about the "Sabbath" is God states to keep it Holy. Sometimes we have to get the ox out of the ditch...

I say this because I believe in setting aside time for my Lord and Savior and Father in Heaven.

But lets not forget why we have the Sabbath:

To Honor our Father in Heaven. How much more honorable is it to help someone out in "HIS" name?


I just share because some people get caught up in "RELIGIOUS" activities such as going to Sunday School and then to Worship services, passing by the stranded motorists or poor soul needing help and then on to a restaurant but when it comes to so called "WORK" as a vocation they say "NO" because God intended the Sabbath as a day of Rest?

Ok, what is the difference between the person working bussing tables or cooking the food on a sabbath (be it they be Christian or not) and you actually, say, making a delivery on that Sabbath?

Are youn not causing that person to "SIN" by eating at that restaurant? I am not saying its a SIN I am just saying people whom say you shouldnt work on the Sabbath should also not prepare a meal or go to a restaurant and have someone else do it either.

God states that if you have Sin in your heart then you Sin, you dont actually have to 'DO" something as in steal or do dope to SIN..

Your heart is what God wants pure. This is a fact. Working on the Sabbath is not necessarily a sinful thing. it could be if you are not trying to honor our Creator.

I just share as a way to witness that working on a Sabbath is not, in and of itself, a SIN or not honoring God.

Peace

Brother Bruce

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	18-07-2004 05:00									#9
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All this means about as much as "Santa wants you to be good little boys and girls"

	18-07-2004 05:07									#10
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I keep the [Ozzy-era Black] Sabbath [Albums].

	18-07-2004 05:35									#11
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Used to be atheist, then agnostic, now I'm headed in a strange individualistic monotheistic direction. I was brought up as a Jew so I keep Saturdays for the most part and say prayers at Shabbat when on my own out of respect for my family.

	18-07-2004 05:39									#12
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quote: Used to be atheist, then agnostic, now I'm headed in a strange individualistic monotheistic direction.

	18-07-2004 05:45									#13
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???

	18-07-2004 05:49									#14
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At the "now I'm headed in a strange individualistic monotheistic direction".

	18-07-2004 06:04									#15
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I feel that rationality has its limits, that there is something "else", but that I cannot find that with a text, or a particular institution.

	18-07-2004 06:13									#16
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I'm Agnostic, I don't need no stinkin' holy day!

I'm not religious, but I'm not agaisnt other people having religious beleifs, but I think a persons beleifs should be personal and unique. I dislike organized religions, everyone should develop their own personal religion or spiritual or moral code.

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Odin:

	18-07-2004 06:39									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy I feel that rationality has its limits, that there is something "else", but that I cannot find that with a text, or a particular institution.

EDIT: and I'm not "against" people having religious beliefs, in the same way that I'm not "against" commies - I think they have a right to it, but I disagree completely and find it rather foolish.

	18-07-2004 06:42									#19
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Fair enough, but seeing as I haven't explained myself and you know nothing of me, perhaps it is a latter fast of you to jump to that conclusion? I, myself, do not generalise on such things and endeavor to treat people as individuals, not symptoms.

	18-07-2004 06:50									#20
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I treat you as an individual who HAS symptoms

	18-07-2004 06:53									#21
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Touché

Of what?

	18-07-2004 06:54									#22
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Religion

	18-07-2004 06:57									#23
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As opposed to? I dont think it's wise to pigeon-hole people, even to such vague concepts as "religion" itself.

	18-07-2004 07:00									#24
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Specifically, you've become religious (after having been an atheist!) because you "feel there is something 'else'." It's the same foolishness that leads to a ton of other New Age stuff.

	18-07-2004 07:01									#25
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Why is it foolishness?

	18-07-2004 07:02									#26
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Because it's completely ungrounded and based on the same sort of emotion that makes little kids scared of the dark.

	18-07-2004 07:06									#27
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How do you know that in my case? How do you know that it isn't a thought-out process, and though perhaps not mathematically logical is conceptually logical? Perhaps my emotional disposition is a contributing factor, but not the? How can you be so certain of the reasoning, when you merely have the conclusion?

	18-07-2004 07:11									#28
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Because I've argued with people who said the same thing before

And because "feeling there is something else" is an emotional justification.

	18-07-2004 07:23									#29
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quote: Because I've argued with people who said the same thing before

I guarentee that won't work with me

quote: And because "feeling there is something else" is an emotional justification.

Wrong. To feel is a measure of ones peception, just as to touch something is to perceive it sensually. Where a rational thought gives you something to perceive, you can work upon that and conceptualise further upon an individual basis. What I mean is that if I borrow a phrase from one of our old debates, my "internally consistent logic" (qualitative) will not go for another person, so the only way we can debate this, and not merely describe it, is to allow for it to occur. I think you will agree that is the case, and that surely therefore it is not an erroneous thought, if ever there were such a thing, I am yet to find it.

	18-07-2004 07:28									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy I guarentee that won't work with me

Average debate: the "feeling" that there must be something "else" arises out of some sort of wonder and the mystery of the universe (or life, or whatever) and basically devolves into something similar, if not exactly a god in the gaps argument.

quote: Wrong. To feel is a measure of ones peception, just as to touch something is to perceive it sensually.

Generally one's emotional perception (though "perception" is perhaps not quite the best word in this case, as it isn't exactly an outside influence but rather one generated by the wholly irrational portion of your mind).

quote: Where a rational thought gives you something to perceive, you can work upon that and conceptualise further upon an individual basis.

Huh?

quote: What I mean is that if I borrow a phrase from one of our old debates, my "internally consistent logic" (qualitative) will not go for another person, so the only way we can debate this, and not merely describe it, is to allow for it to occur.

Logic is universal.

quote: I think you will agree that is the case, and that surely therefore it is not an erroneous thought, if ever there were such a thing, I am yet to find it.

That what, exactly, is the case?