19-07-2004 10:57									#151
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse BS. You have any figures to back this up or are you talking out of your ass?

I can try to find them, but it was common knowledge at my school, they go on strike so often these things have become known.

York U in Toronto is notorious for this, there they definately are among the highest paid.

Edit: And TA's recieve a 75% reduction in tuition costs, they are looking for 100% now I will find proof.

	19-07-2004 10:58									#152
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So by your figures a TA who pulls down 600$ twice a month (adding up to 14 400 $ per annum) is making more than construction workers, librarians and technicians, Jimmy? Are you living in 1970?

	19-07-2004 10:59									#153
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And good for the buses not crossing picket lines.

	19-07-2004 11:00									#154
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It would have been nice to be back in 1970 before all the stupid auto unions programmed unnecessary cost of living increases into their contracts along with a bunch of other concessions that propogated inflation exponentially and nearly destroyed the US auto industry.

	19-07-2004 11:01									#155
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But I think inefficiency and poor quality control is a great thing. As long as the union workers are protected. Doesn't matter that the rest of the community gets screwed.

	19-07-2004 11:02									#156
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It would have been nice to be living in 1870 before all those goddamn unions came in and stopped us from making coal miners work 80 hours a week in unsafe conditions.

	19-07-2004 11:03									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker No they don't. They are still considered students. So there!

I study, and I also work as a TA. I'm not asking for a union for my study activities but for my work activities.

	19-07-2004 11:05									#158
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SO all irrelevancies like your *****ing and moaning about unions aside, why is it that Ishouldn't be able to unionise if everybody else can?

	19-07-2004 11:05									#159
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Yeah.

In 1870, 130 years ago, they were useful.

	19-07-2004 11:05									#160
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse SO all irrelevancies like your *****ing and moaning about unions aside, why is it that Ishouldn't be able to unionise if everybody else can?

Read the thread. It's already been explained.

	19-07-2004 11:06									#161
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Krazy: No, she only gets paid for 10 hours per week, she doesn't get nearly as much as some other people. This is 600 every two weeks for 10 hours of work. Thats $30 an hour!!

Here we go:

quote: Wage increases were one of the highlights of the deal, with a three per cent increase this year and two per cent next year. This means graduate TA salaries will increase from $29.87 to $30.46 over the next two years. By comparison, undergraduate TAs will earn $16.57 and $16.90.

and

quote: Previously, TAs received a 75 per cent rebate on tuition increases made since May 2000 - the new contract will increase this to a full rebate. Husseini says this allows TAs to make a living while going to school.

http://thecharlatan.nexus.carleton....ries/59174.html

All this and you're a student. No student makes 30 bucks an hour, no one.... unless you're a TA. And 100 % tuition reduction too.

	19-07-2004 11:08									#162
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Just because things are better now than they used to be doesn't mean there isn't still progress to be made.

That's exactly the thinking of most conservatives the world over: yeah, things were bad up until X point in the past, but everybody complaining since then is full of ****.

Today you're saying that X was 1970. Conservatives from the next generation will be saying that X was 2000...

	19-07-2004 11:10									#163
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Of course there is progress to be made.

But I'd rathar concentrate on improving other things than spoiled grad students.

	19-07-2004 11:10									#164
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Krazy: No, she only gets paid for 10 hours per week, she doesn't get nearly as much as some other people. This is 600 every two weeks for 10 hours of work. Thats $30 an hour!! Here we go: and http://thecharlatan.nexus.carleton....ries/59174.html All this and you're a student. No student makes 30 bucks an hour, no one.... unless you're a TA. And 100 % tuition reduction too.

So basically the Univeristy is PAYING the students to go there!!!

	19-07-2004 11:12									#165
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Krazy: No, she only gets paid for 10 hours per week, she doesn't get nearly as much as some other people. This is 600 every two weeks for 10 hours of work. Thats $30 an hour!!

Funny, does she punch a clock? You're comparing hourly rates to piecework rates. Apples to oranges my son.

By the way, I was a poor undergraduate too at one time. So at least I know both sides of the coin. All this *****ing and moaning is coming from people who have never been a grad student. You should be thankful to them, because without them your classes would grind to a halt, as you see when they go on strike. In actuality a grad student TA puts more work into a class than a professor does.

	19-07-2004 11:13									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker So basically the Univeristy is PAYING the students to go there!!!

Pretty much, they only pay what the tuition was a few years ago... like 2,000 per year, plus a really good salary.

	19-07-2004 11:14									#167
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Funny, does she punch a clock? You're comparing hourly rates to piecework rates. Apples to oranges my son. By the way, I was a poor undergraduate too at one time. So at least I know both sides of the coin. All this *****ing and moaning is coming from people who have never been a grad student. You should be thankful to them, because without them your classes would grind to a halt, as you see when they go on strike. In actuality a grad student TA puts more work into a class than a professor does.

Like I said, primadonnas.

Cahn I shineah yo shoesz suh???

	19-07-2004 11:15									#168
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Funny, does she punch a clock? You're comparing hourly rates to piecework rates. Apples to oranges my son. By the way, I was a poor undergraduate too at one time. So at least I know both sides of the coin. All this *****ing and moaning is coming from people who have never been a grad student. You should be thankful to them, because without them your classes would grind to a halt, as you see when they go on strike. In actuality a grad student TA puts more work into a class than a professor does.

She does punch a clock actually, and she's doing exactly what graduate TA's do, she got the job as an undergrad as an exception.

And thats the thing, it makes no difference, besides the Union and the strikers making a nuissance. All of my Profs refused to stop teaching and just graded the papers themselves. I noticed no difference.

	19-07-2004 11:17									#169
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker So basically the Univeristy is PAYING the students to go there!!!

No, it's paying them to TA and RA. Grad students are the grease that keeps a university running. Without us the classes would go ungraded and the labs would go unstaffed. We've all got undergraduate degrees or greater. We work harder than professors do in teaching, in addition to doing our own research which aids the university's academic standing. We're paid 1/4 or less of what a professor is paid, yet I could easily teach the material that I TA (I'm pretty sure I have a better understanding of it than the prof I TA for does). So bullshit. Universities prey on the fact that we're willing to put up with some temporary bullshit. Doesn't make it fair.

	19-07-2004 11:18									#170
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn She does punch a clock actually, and she's doing exactly what graduate TA's do, she got the job as an undergrad as an exception. And thats the thing, it makes no difference, besides the Union and the strikers making a nuissance. All of my Profs refused to stop teaching and just graded the papers themselves. I noticed no difference.

At our university the TA's were forbidden to teach class.

The profs only got TA's when they were teaching the large required intro classes that had like 200 people in them.

	19-07-2004 11:18									#171
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Come on Krazy, in what other universe besides a university campus can you get paid $30 an hour to sit in a professors office and study for YOUR exams?

	19-07-2004 11:18									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Like I said, primadonnas. Cahn I shineah yo shoesz suh???

Snooze. Primadonnas my ass. I'm a highly skilled employee is all.

	19-07-2004 11:19									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker At our university the TA's were forbidden to teach class. The profs only got TA's when they were teaching the large required intro classes that had like 200 people in them.

Mine too, they can only sit over discussion groups.

	19-07-2004 11:19									#174
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Come on Krazy, in what other universe besides a university campus can you get paid $30 an hour to sit in a professors office and study for YOUR exams?

In which job other than a professor's can you get paid 70 000 a year to work ~7 hours a week and spend the rest of the time doing YOUR research?

	19-07-2004 11:19									#175
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse No, it's paying them to TA and RA. Grad students are the grease that keeps a university running. Without us the classes would go ungraded and the labs would go unstaffed. We've all got undergraduate degrees or greater. We work harder than professors do in teaching, in addition to doing our own research which aids the university's academic standing. We're paid 1/4 or less of what a professor is paid, yet I could easily teach the material that I TA (I'm pretty sure I have a better understanding of it than the prof I TA for does). So bullshit. Universities prey on the fact that we're willing to put up with some temporary bullshit. Doesn't make it fair.

Life isn't fair.

So....when you guys aren't in the professional academic world, do you take this kinda of attitude with you to the job also?

	19-07-2004 11:21									#176
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Snooze. Primadonnas my ass. I'm a highly skilled employee is all.

If you say so Quarterback.

	19-07-2004 11:22									#177
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"Life isn't fair"

Great argument, Ted.

You really should stick to telling us who you'd hit it with.

	19-07-2004 11:23									#178
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse In which job other than a professor's can you get paid 70 000 a year to work ~7 hours a week and spend the rest of the time doing YOUR research?

This is true, but at least Profs aren't students... they aren't trying to earn a degree (maybe some a PhD). Being a prof is a real job, Profs are paid alot because they are expected to be at the University for a long time, while TAs are assumed to be temporary, or only as long as it takes them to graduate (as in a coulpe years).

	19-07-2004 11:24									#179
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"I'm a victim! [I'm spoiled.] "

Great argument, Krazyhorse.

You should really stick to telling us how great you are.

	19-07-2004 11:25									#180
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I know what I paid for and it wasn't substandard instruction by other students.

Parts of my reply are missing from your quote.