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Solver is offline Solver
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vsync is vertical sync. With it off, you may notice "tearing" in the screen -- that is, part of the screen is at a different frame than the other. What vsync does is prevents that from happening, it'll only draw a new frame if it's fully rendered.

It looks a lot better with vsync on, I dunno why it's off by default.


Sort of how interlaced screens had that terrible blinking like pre-1994? But you know, I don't see any difference in monitor refresh rates up until 42 Hz, so...

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Oh...I've been wondering about something....why is there no water at all in Doom 3?


Where should there be? It's a Mars base.

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You talking about this?

code:
// "mtr_light_shader" "" // "light_color" "0 0 0.8" // "light_radius" "160" // "light_offset" "-8 0 0" // "mtr_explode_light_shader" "muzzleflash" // "explode_light_color" "0 0 1" // "explode_light_radius" "160" // "explode_light_fadetime" "0.25"

Yeah. If you remove all of the comment lines (the "//" part), it should enable lights.

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Why would that be? If a light of, say, fireball, illuminates area in radius of 50 pixels, would it not need to recalculate ~7800 pixels only?

Because of how the engines are set up, "shiny" objects set up to reflect parts of light. Like if the walls are metal-ish, a fireball will reflect on that somehow, even if the fireball is only 50 pixels large in radius.

There are ways to "block" it out so its only re-rendering certain parts...but the problem there is that videocards work by rendering "passes". It needs to determine which pixels on the screen it needs to block out anyway, which doesn't make too much difference. "Blocking out" means it basically puts an invisible boundary around objects to stop them from reflecting.

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Sort of how interlaced screens had that terrible blinking like pre-1994? But you know, I don't see any difference in monitor refresh rates up until 42 Hz, so...

It's not really like that, that has more to do with how often the eyes can detect luminance changes.

It's just that if a card is rendering something a bit too fast, it renders part of the screen and displays it while the other is being redrawn. Vsync will lower the technical framerate, because it'll only display full frames, not partial.

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There was in Doom. I'm pretty sure. I'd think they'd just find a way to put it in if only to show of how it looks in the engine, but now, I have no clue what liquid looks like in the Doom 3 engine.

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the original dooms didn't really have water. all it was was basically regular floors/walls with different textures that were animated iirc. i imagine doom3's lighting and water might not work out too well.

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Yeah, but it would be interesting to see. It was the only thing really missing aside from the Spidermind.

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It looks a lot better with vsync on, I dunno why it's off by default.


Because its a whole lot faster. I personally never noticed this tearing in any games ive played, and i have vsync off by default in my graphics cards options. It used to give me +5 to 10fps with half-life, back when i had a 32mb graphics card.

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for all of you who seem to know...is the video card and the amount of ram it has the most important factor for this game?

I have an AMD athlon XP 2200+ with an Nvidia geforce 4mx440 64 MB card and 512 MB system ram.

medium is as high as I can go without choppiness, and even then it can ghet hairy with alot of creatures.


Could I move higher if I got a better card and more system ram? or is the system ram a waste of time here?

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Well you want a better graphics card and another 512MB RAM really. Probably the graphics card upgrade would give you more bang for your buck.

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for all of you who seem to know...is the video card and the amount of ram it has the most important factor for this game?

I have an AMD athlon XP 2200+ with an Nvidia geforce 4mx440 64 MB card and 512 MB system ram.

medium is as high as I can go without choppiness, and even then it can ghet hairy with alot of creatures.

Could I move higher if I got a better card and more system ram? or is the system ram a waste of time here?

Check this out: http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2156

Video card comparison: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2146

CPU comparison: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipset...doc.aspx?i=2149

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I just saw that best buy is selling an nvidia geforce 6800 ultra, which seems to be their top of the line, for $500!!!!

ouch....medium isn't so bad...ha

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Yeah, I'm fine with playing Medium for now. I still play the original Doom every now and then, so I'll know I'll stil have this game when I evertually get a better computer in three years after colllege.

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Well, with the Megs optimization (set to 128) I get 32 fps on demo1. The game still gives me a headache like some FPSs and I don't know if its the framerate or something else. What are acceptable ranges for you guys?

Also, with all the advancements in graphics technology the people still have points or ridges on the top of their heads. Why why why?

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Addendum: Game is very playable with this hardware:
- 2700+
- 768MB
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High settings
The game turned off AA and I've yet to see the effects on fps with 2x or 4x.

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Because with per-vertex lightning like DOOM3 has, more vertexes = more calculations = slower.

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Anyway...Asher...have they said anything about how water would look in the engine probably? (For future games made with it of course).

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Ermm...however they want it to look like?

DOOM3 supports vertex/pixel shading, it's very possible to do realistic water with that.

It's not a restriction of the engine, but a design choice for DOOM3 in specific.

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Oh, ok. Sounds good.

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Also, did you find the easter egg in the first mirror?


I must have missed this. Is this in the mirror in the bathroom near the kitchen, on your way to Marine HQ at the very beginning of the game (ie, before hell literally breaks loose)?

Right now, I've only just gotten my way back to the main building, haven't gotten back to HQ yet. If I remember correctly, I just met some guy hiding out above a ladder, the only survivor I've seen so far...

The imps are freaking my ass out.

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Yeah, it's that bathroom with the mirror. You apparently have to look at it and get close. It happens after all hell breaks loose though.

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Okay. I just don't think I've made it that far back yet, unless I'm very much mistaken.

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To trigger the scene in bathroom, you have to equip your flashlight and come real close to the mirror.


Apparently, video card is most important for this game, followed by RAM, followed by CPU. Like I said, CPU being the bottleneck of my system, I still run High fairly well after some optimization.

I also play original Doom... in fact, Doom2 is my most played FPS game, and what I liked best till Doom3. It's nice to know that I will also be playing Doom3 in 3 years when I am equipped with a 6GHz machine, 2 GB RAM and a GeForce 8400 with 512 VRAM. Will make the system requirements seem a joke.

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I've heard people trigger it without the flashlight though.

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And I missed it


...or maybe I was just sleeping when it happened...

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To trigger the scene in bathroom, you have to equip your flashlight and come real close to the mirror.


Apparently, video card is most important for this game, followed by RAM, followed by CPU. Like I said, CPU being the bottleneck of my system, I still run High fairly well after some optimization.

I also play original Doom... in fact, Doom2 is my most played FPS game, and what I liked best till Doom3. It's nice to know that I will also be playing Doom3 in 3 years when I am equipped with a 6GHz machine, 2 GB RAM and a GeForce 8400 with 512 VRAM. Will make the system requirements seem a joke.


i play zdoom from time to time too

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I think it's awesome how you can edit all of the shaders...they're in the pk4 files.

I'm having much fun.

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I thought this was amusing.

https://home.comcast.net/%7Epseudolith/doom3.wmv

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What the hell did I just watch? I want to make some kind of mentally handicapped joke here, but from the looks of it those kids were actually mentally retarded. This video has to be proof that video games are destroying the youth of the world. Duuuuuuurrrrr aaaaaaaaaaa oooooa aaarrggggg ddd eeeeeeeeee *SMACK* STFU!

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I thought this was amusing.



I concur...I might have to give up games now...wouldn't want to be linked in any way to these guys.

Although at least they are having fun...

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Well, just beat it tonight. Not sure which of the two endings I got... I guess it was the "good" ending. Last boss fight was kind of "meh," but that's kind of par for the course for FPSs. Time to get back to waiting for Half-Life 2

 
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