12-08-2004 11:20									#121
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 Wow, this is enough to count as excedrine headache number 69. Someone remind me NEVER to be an ISDG admin.

Hey Con, Never, Never, become an ISDG Admin....

Hey, first time here for it seems forever. I've been soo busy, that my PBEM's have really been lacking (as BF and Co...).

Anyways, it, atleast to me, would seem that things might be more than just "cut and dryed". But, that's all I'll say on the matter, as I go back to my RL and exile.

Keep the Faith guys.

[EDIT] Oh, if for any reason, the New Admins want to get in touch with me, My e-mail Addies are:
royparrish@earthlink.net
AND
et_civ@rockbandit.net

They would be advised to make any attempts to reach me, via the e-mail route, as I can check it faster than checking for 'Poly PM's (and I also get e-mail Notification of those, too....)
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E_T

	13-08-2004 00:32									#122
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I just got a PM from FortyJ:

quote: Luc and I have concluded our investigation, and we are prepared to announce our findings, but there is something we need to discuss with you first. Furthermore, we ask that you do not reveal this information outside of your private forum until after we have made our official announcement. First off, let me say that this was a much more detailed investigation than either Luc or I originally anticipated. However, we felt that the extra steps were needed to ensure that the truth was revealed, and we believe it has been. After a lengthy investigation, Luc and I both feel that while the circumstances surrounding the issue you have brought to our attention may appear somewhat suspect, there is sufficient evidence to suggest that GWT has acted fairly. Moving forward from here, we once again request that you wait to play the save or otherwise indicate that our investigation has ended until after our official announcement. However, once that announcement has been made, APO will be permitted to replay the current turn without restriction. With respect to E_T's status, the Luc and I consider his actions to be most unfortunate. It is our recommendation that he be sentenced to an internal minimum suspension of 10 turns or 21 days (beginning no sooner than when our announcement is made), whichever comes first. This suspension may be kept private (ie. within APO) or, if you so desire, we may publicize the suspension in the forum (the suspension itself, not the reasons for it). Otherwise, we will simply announce that our investigation has concluded without cause for any actions (and simply let the other teams speculate as to the reason for the investigation). Please let me know which announcement you'd prefer us to make. FortyJ

	13-08-2004 00:41									#123
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Yay... is it possible to send some kind of a donation to this new admin? I'd like to keep him in business for all of us. This is how i imagine a good admin should act.

Good news. First good news in a loooong loooong time.

	13-08-2004 00:50									#124
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Cool. Game on.

Do they have a pay-pal account?

	13-08-2004 01:30									#125
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Ya no crap, Id gladly send this guy 20 bucks.

We need to send him a glowing thank, you we really appreciate you doing this kind of thing.

He is the kind of guy we want to keep happy and not give any grief to.

He has done a super job with the C3C ISDG

On the other issue, I was thrilled to see E_T back but somewhat surprised. I thought he has already been exiled? Its not something I want to happen, but its something that has to happen unfortunately. And no matter how we announce this we have to meet the intent of the admin ruling and it needs to happen soon.

	13-08-2004 03:03									#126
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I think the suspension of E_T should be a public one; so that GWT knows we are honorable and expect the same type of play from them as we do from our own team.

	13-08-2004 04:59									#127
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They have handled this quite "professionally" as it were.

though the suspension of ET is pretty light, I don't think we polytoners can complain about that one bit...

	13-08-2004 06:55									#128
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Thank them.

Suspension of E_T is ok. I think it should be semi private / semi public. Say that a member of the team did a no no, and they have been suspended for 10 turns, but do not say who or what. That will appease the other teams about the long delay, while not placing any undue disrespect upon E_T.

	13-08-2004 07:08									#129
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I agree with GodKing - E_T was a valuable member of the team, and with all the goings-on in his life right now, doesn't need being pointed out in public.

Plus, if the other teams found out about who got suspended and why, they might be likely to seek further sanctions - especially one particular jerk... I mean leader ... who comes to mind. (L**** of course)

Definitely we should thank the new admins for their hard effort on this - I guess GWT did have their ship screen working , but had to hastily form a land barrier and this is what we have seen ...

	13-08-2004 07:17									#130
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I agree with GK and Sharpe

If its made public thats the way to go.

	13-08-2004 07:18									#131
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I think they got lucky with the ship screen. From my take on what the admins said, it looks as if they(GWT) moved those puppies into position at just the right time; and that GWT expalined their reasonings for moving them then. My basic point is that if they had had them in the correct positions to detect us all along, then the admins would not have had to ask too many questions. So, it's very likely those screens just came into play a turn or two ago at most.

	14-08-2004 23:32									#132
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I have just PMed FortyJ, we should see a public announcemnt sooner (sorry for not doing this yesterday but I ended up going out since the afternoon and didn't come back until... 6am )

quote: Hello FortyJ, First of all allow me to extend my team's gratitude for your and Elucidus' time spent with this investigation. The thoroughness in which it was done leads my team little doubt that the results were as accurate as possible and thus reflect no wrongdoings on GWT's behalf. From our point of view therefore, the situation is cleared up and we will play the turn as soon as you make a public annoucement that the invastigation is over. With respects to E_T, we leave it up to you two if you want to make it public in the UN forum. Frankly, our team would desire his name not to be mentioned in public (mostly as a sign of respect for E_T, who was one of our most valued members and also to avoid any possible frictions or flaming as tends to happen in the UN forum) simply that a member of our team has been suspended for the duration that you guys see fit. Nevertheless, we have no inconvenience in a full disclosure of the E_T issue with GWT in private, as they are the team which would deserve to know. So, we await your announcement to continue with the game and once again, our most sincere thanks to you and Elucidus. -Master Zen Consul

	15-08-2004 19:39									#134
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Excellent. Like I said before, this guy is a real admin, a real judge.

I completely agree with the Godking and Sharpe.

Aidun

	16-08-2004 23:12									#135
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You stay away from a forum for a few days and look what happens!

Very nicely done by fortyj and luc.

This should indeed be the model admin set-up for future demo games.

I concur with the public announcement - without naming E_T.

	19-08-2004 09:45									#136
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Hey, I've been picking myself up after the Hurricane Charley had his way with Central Florida (I just got my power restored only 5 hours ago).

I would request that I stay in the Civ Group for 24 hours (at the max) to allow myself to "catch up", before I leave for my suspension. I see that the Admins have made their ruling and I'll be looking into all of the stuff over at the UN, but not tonight....

But I'll be out of here, soon enough.

Thanks again.

E_T

	19-08-2004 19:16									#137
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No thank you for all your efforts E_T

	19-08-2004 21:14									#138
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 No thank you for all your efforts E_T

Yup. I 'con'cur.

(as long as you play ISDG#1 E_T. )

Take care bud. Good luck with the clean-up.

	19-08-2004 21:21									#139
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Very cool news! We have real admins! That's a beautiful thing.

-Arrian

	20-08-2004 10:19									#140
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E_T is still a member of this Civ group. Beta needs to remove him now.