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Apr 1999
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Actually, may develop is more accurate. Many zygotes and fetuses sponteniously abort. |
this happens, yes. and your point is...?
if it's natural, there's nothing you can do about it. last i checked, it's kinda hard to force an aborted fetus back into the womb to re-implant.
abortions, however, that are unnatural, you can stop. flat out, they shouldn't be done except in the most dire circumstances, but who has the moral standing and understanding to force that on anyone else? not i, seeing as i lack a uterus. the church doesn't, seeing as not everybody agrees with it.
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Hell, all birth control does is keep the zygote from implanting, so if you're seriously opposed to abortion, you should be opposed to the pill as well. |
as far as the pill is concerned the church is against it. i don't have an opinion on it.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
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Not necessarily. That simply means the potential cannot be realised at this point in time, not the potential does not exist. |
fine, as far as i'm concerned, "potential human being" has a time limit of a year from conception. so if your mole lasted longer than a year, che, and still hasn't become a human, it doesn't pass the test. a fetus, however, that isn't aborted, and does get born within a year, does pass it.
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OzzyKP
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Rockville, MD
Oct 1999
time: 00:35
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Originally posted by Sava
What makes you think that shirt is an official Planned Parenthood shirt? I don't see their name on it. I also don't see a source. So it's wrong, and completely ignorant, to think this shirt represents the opinions of all pro-choice people. |
Umm, the link would make me think it is a Planned Parenthood shirt. Mad Monk just quoted it. Now who is wrong and completely ignorant?
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And no offense, but considering you aren't pro-choice, I assume your family is probably not pro-choice... that being said, how can you claim to know how many pro-choice people feel? My circle of friends, my family, and most of the other people I know in my life are pro-choice and they certainly don't feel the way you are characterizing pro-choice people. |
Another wrong and completely ignorant assumption. Most of my friends and family are pro-choice. Some do indeed embrace abortions. An ex-girlfriend of mine described the fetus as a parasite that should be destroyed, etc.
Again I never said most or all pro-choicers are like this, but it is far, far from a fringe minority. This t-shirt, being sold by an organization that represents millions of people is proof of that.
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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:35
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
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According to a high-profile anti-abortionist at CFC OT, yes, it does. |
i suppose he believes that every sperm is sacred, that every sperm is good.
too bad a spermatozoa does not have the requisite number of chromosomes on its own to have a viable shot of turning into a human being within a year. |
so does that mean that for every two people, the loss of a sperm + an egg (because together they make babies) is murder?
Or how about an embryo that is just fertilized... compared to a split-second before fertilization, it's not that different. Is that where you draw the arbitrary line of personhood? Death is not necessarily a bad thing. Murder now, well that's different. The loss of a person isn't just about the death of the body. It's about the social connections we have to other people in life. Certainly the loss of say, your mother, would be more painful than the loss of an embryo that's ten seconds old?
My point being that there's no difference between the time after you die versus the time before you were born. The end result is the same. You are non-existent. What makes the death of a person painful is the loss that affects others, like friends and relatives. How is the death of an unwanted, fetus bad? I know I'd rather never be born than be an unwanted child. It's like euthenasia in that regard.
Part of my ranting is frustration. I am frustrated because I don't understand why people value some stranger's fetus. Judging from the pro-life/anti-choice people's political leanings, love for fellow humans isn't tops on their list. Or else they'd believe in things like welfare, social safety nets... i.e. liberal causes. That's why I conclude that opposition to abortion isn't based on love of a living human being, but rather, a desire to execute control over women.
Is abortion "distasteful" as Imran puts it? Yes. As I've said, in a perfect world, we don't have abortion. But let's not delude ourselves into thinking a fetus is worth anything, m'kay?
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