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The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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I hope people who wear these shirts die a painful and horrible death!

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I applaude the courage of anyone who dares wear that in American ... but not her intelligence.

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I am sorry, but what's there to applaud? One could argue that it's a woman's right, but to applaud abortion?! meh.

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but to applaud abortion?! meh.



I can't ever side with the pro-abortion crowd because they do this so often. Abortion is no different than popping a pill to a lot of people (men), it seems....

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I can't ever side with the pro-abortion crowd because they do this so often. Abortion is no different than popping a pill to a lot of people (men), it seems....

Generalizations.

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I want a shirt that says, "YOU should have been a choice."

(I'm not referring to anyone here... I mean YOU in a general sense)

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I can't ever side with the pro-abortion crowd because they do this so often. Abortion is no different than popping a pill to a lot of people (men), it seems....

Generalizations.


I'm not generalizing, that just seems to be the way things are on male-dominated internet forums.

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I am sorry, but what's there to applaud? One could argue that it's a woman's right, but to applaud abortion?! meh.

I didn't say anything about applauding abortion, did? I said I'd applaud the courage to wear a t-shirt like that.

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Pro-choicers are always trying to say they are against abortions, but think they shouldn't be illegal. Well I've seen plenty of things like this where people praise abortions. I once was at a pro-choice rally where a woman was giving some spoken word poem where she described in graphic detail an abortion, as if it was a sexually gratifying experience. It was revolting.

to the culture of death.

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legal but rare...

but I don't see abortions as being a grave immoral act... it's a freaking fetus. It has no thoughts, no feelings, it doesn't even know it exists. Cats and dogs have more sentience than a fetus.

The problem is, pro-life dopes equate a fetus with a born-baby. Even the bible says life starts when your born, not conceived. God recognized the official beginning of human life as being at birth. Genesis 2:7, "God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul."

So it's absurd to think a fetus is the same as someone who has been born. A fetus's life is only of value when the mother intends to give birth. Beyond that, it's a soul-less, consciousless mass of cells that couldn't survive outside the womb.

As a pro-choice person, I recognize that an abortion is a difficult decision for a woman to make. But the point is, it's HER BODY, it's HER DECISION. So mind your own ****ing business. In a perfect world, we wouldn't have abortions, but then in a perfect world, we wouldn't have rape and incest. We wouldn't have condoms that break or birth control that fails. There is so much suffering and death in the world, it's sickening and revolting that these pro-life conservative dipshits care more about a bloody lump of cells than they do living, breathing born-people that suffer... like Africa for instance. AIDS, starvation, and ethnic/religious violence are ravaging the continent, but so called "pro lifers" are more concerned with executing control over women's bodies in America than they are concerned with saving LIFE around the world.

so anti-choicers can suck my balls...

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even the bible says


how low, sava.

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how low, sava.
some people believe stuff in that book... I don't, but some do. Especially people on the anti-choice side... it's good to use their own religious literature against them.

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In case of rape, incest, condoms that break, etc, there is the morning-after pill.

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In case of rape, incest, condoms that break, etc, there is the morning-after pill.
and those are evil as well according to pro-life zealots...

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Pro-choicers are always trying to say they are against abortions, but think they shouldn't be illegal.

I never said I was against abortions.

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and those are evil as well according to pro-life zealots...

You didn't answer my question.... I am not a pro-life zealot. I am just not a pro-choice one, as well.

This is not an easy case, like some of you people want to portray it. If it have been, I would reach a decision on this ages ago.

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Pro-choicers are always trying to say they are against abortions, but think they shouldn't be illegal. Well I've seen plenty of things like this where people praise abortions.


you do realize that there are some pro-choicers who oppose abortion but don't think they should be illegal, right? that people who praise abortions don't exactly represent all pro-choice people?

much as how people who are pro-life aren't necessarily murderers or anti-choice...

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In case of rape, incest, condoms that break, etc, there is the morning-after pill.

It doesn't always work. And should you have trouble finding one (living in an area where there are few open drug dealers, for example), each hour you spend looking for one is less and less probability that it works.

Besides, there are other reasons than rape, condoms that break, etc. for abortions. Especially for teen abortions, where the pregnant girl may be surprised by her pregnancy, or may believe for several weeks that her boyfriend will stay with her. This last reason also happens often with adults, as the man leaves on discovering the unwanted pregnancy.

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Pro-choicers are always trying to say they are against abortions, but think they shouldn't be illegal. Well I've seen plenty of things like this where people praise abortions.


you do realize that there are some pro-choicers who oppose abortion but don't think they should be illegal, right? that people who praise abortions don't exactly represent all pro-choice people?

much as how people who are pro-life aren't necessarily murderers or anti-choice...


You do realize that Planned Parenthood is one of the biggest (possibly the biggest) pro-choice organizations out there? So the people making these t-shirts are not a small radical fringe, like the what, 2 people who have shot an abortion doctor, but instead part of the mainstream abortion movement.

So quite literally these people who praise abortions (planned parenthood with this t-shirt) really do represent many pro-choice people.

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What makes you think that shirt is an official Planned Parenthood shirt? I don't see their name on it. I also don't see a source. So it's wrong, and completely ignorant, to think this shirt represents the opinions of all pro-choice people.

And no offense, but considering you aren't pro-choice, I assume your family is probably not pro-choice... that being said, how can you claim to know how many pro-choice people feel? My circle of friends, my family, and most of the other people I know in my life are pro-choice and they certainly don't feel the way you are characterizing pro-choice people.

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You do realize that Planned Parenthood is one of the biggest (possibly the biggest) pro-choice organizations out there? So the people making these t-shirts are not a small radical fringe, like the what, 2 people who have shot an abortion doctor, but instead part of the mainstream abortion movement.

So quite literally these people who praise abortions (planned parenthood with this t-shirt) really do represent many pro-choice people.

i've never met a single pro-choice person who praises abortions. every single one i've met, at worst, doesn't think about the baby at all, but isn't elated about the fact that abortions have to be done in the first place.

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Spiffor: That is strange. Perhaps it's more a unity thing... I would like to think most pro-choice advocates hold the same position as myself... as they are more a necessary "evil".

I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt. But I don't suppose frothing-anti-choicers will.

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"Anti-choice"

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both sides would like to spin themselves as pro-something.

pro-choice could be spun as anti-life.
pro-life could be spun as anti-choice.

now, pro-life and pro-choice just seem to sound so much more positive.

though, there are times when i feel anti-choice anti-life, and i for the life of me can't figure out why we aren't having more abortions, executions, and murders.

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"Anti-choice"
that's a more accurate title than "pro-life"

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Sava, we've been over this: you're also anti-choice, because you don't support the terrorists' right to choose to blow up buildings.

 
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