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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
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so does that mean that for every two people, the loss of a sperm + an egg (because together they make babies) is murder? |
 why is it that people want to take these positions to illogical extremes? sure, if you want to, complain about the fact that i don't find masturbation and mensturation to be the same as abortion.
why? the second is a natural process which can't really be changed without a hysterectomy (birth control just allows for more control over it), and the first, well, who gives a flying flip?
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Or how about an embryo that is just fertilized... compared to a split-second before fertilization, it's not that different. Is that where you draw the arbitrary line of personhood? Death is not necessarily a bad thing. Murder now, well that's different. The loss of a person isn't just about the death of the body. It's about the social connections we have to other people in life. Certainly the loss of say, your mother, would be more painful than the loss of an embryo that's ten seconds old? |
an embryo has the potential to be a viable human life within a year. therefore, it is human. murder of a human life is wrong. therefore, murder of an embryo, i.e., abortion, is wrong. this is my belief.
i understand there are those who do not agree with this, this is why i do not support the outright banning of abortions.
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My point being that there's no difference between the time after you die versus the time before you were born. The end result is the same. You are non-existent. What makes the death of a person painful is the loss that affects others, like friends and relatives. How is the death of an unwanted, fetus bad? I know I'd rather never be born than be an unwanted child. It's like euthenasia in that regard. |
i say it's bad because it's still a human life. i say it's bad because there are thousands of couples who are desperate to have a child. i say it's bad because at the core of my religious beliefs is the sense that all life (not spermatozoa) is sacred, and therefore, abortion, euthanasia, and capital punishment are all immoral and wrong.
does this mean i think that everybody should follow my beliefs? no. i understand that there are different ideas, which is why i don't support banning abortion; which is why, in regards to euthanasia, it's a case of out of sight, out of mind.
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Part of my ranting is frustration. I am frustrated because I don't understand why people value some stranger's fetus. Judging from the pro-life/anti-choice people's political leanings, love for fellow humans isn't tops on their list. Or else they'd believe in things like welfare, social safety nets... i.e. liberal causes. That's why I conclude that opposition to abortion isn't based on love of a living human being, but rather, a desire to execute control over women. |
that's where you're wrong. just because someone is pro-life doesn't mean he/she is anti-choice. just because someone finds abortion morally irreconcilable with his/her fundamental beliefs does not mean that he/she wants to exert control over someone else's body.
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Is abortion "distasteful" as Imran puts it? Yes. As I've said, in a perfect world, we don't have abortion. But let's not delude ourselves into thinking a fetus is worth anything, m'kay? |
let's not delude ourselves into thinking a fetus is worth nothing, m'kay?
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Also, there is something called an "umbilical cord" that -- though not nervous -- is connected to my body. It has no right to steal my nutrients and oxygen without my consent. |
are you a woman? if not, you never need worry about a parasite sucking your life force through an umbilical cord. i personally don't myself.
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Welfare actually benefits people. I pay for other people's welfare so that other people may pay for my welfare when the need arises. Not having an abortion doesn't benefit anyone whatsoever. |
not having an abortion benefits the child and its future relations.
welfare is stuck in the here and now, as well as the past, which is something the conservative mindset excels at.
thinking about the future, and its possibilities, is something the liberal mindset excels at.
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The shirt is in very poor taste. Nonetheless, abortion is a decision that is an intensely personal one and, therefore, should remain in that realm. |
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27-07-2004 21:42
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to the culture of death. 
thanks a lot.
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