02-10-2004 15:21									#301
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I don't like rogues, but I might be tempted into a Rogue/Wizard at some point.

	03-10-2004 10:01									#302
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Rogues are great versatile characters. The use magic items skill allows them to use restricted items. This includes weapons and armor as well. My rogue can wield those longbows restricted to arcane archers. With enough scrolls and wands, she can the spells of any wizard or cleric. Potions can boost her up to a power fighter. And, as stated before, if she's in a tough place, she can stick to the shadows.

	03-10-2004 22:40									#303
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And high-level Sneak Attack produces insane results. +20d6, for example - who wouldn't want that on all hits? And all those ranks in Tumble + uberhigh DEX push up the AC to something rather tasty. The trick to making the uberrogue is to either chuck in 4 levels of fighter (for 4 attacks/round at level 20 and weapon specialisation) or chuck in 7 levels of wizard (for buffing spells, and the incredable Improved Invisiblity)

Or cheeze it to hell with Shadowdancer levels

-Jam

	03-10-2004 23:17									#304
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski The trick to making the uberrogue is to either chuck in 4 levels of fighter (for 4 attacks/round at level 20 and weapon specialisation) or chuck in 7 levels of wizard (for buffing spells, and the incredable Improved Invisiblity) -Jam

Or both!

Actually I think best is Rogue/Wizard/WM, which can also give you those attacks. If you go heavier wizard you can get level 9 spells, good AC, nice sneak, and WM juiciness (I like WM )

I plan to do a character like this at some point.

	04-10-2004 13:56									#305
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My progress through the OC continues!

I've done the first major quest to the north of Port Llast (the goblin caves), and am heading southwards to have a poke around the wizard's tower. I broke into the wizard's cottage and had a root around in the basement, but the chest right at the bottom is too heavily trapped for me to take the hit, or for my henchman to disable it. I have levelled up since I first tried, and so although I haven't got enough HP (it does 100+ damage), maybe Tomi has increased his chance of disabling the trap. Does anyone have any idea of how hard this chest is to open? Can I use a knock spell and stand at the other end of the room?

Also, Jamski: what is the voice command to get the henchman to switch between missile and melee weapons? That would be really useful, because missile sneak attacks are brilliant, but once the enemies get too close then you really need the henchman to change weapons.

	05-10-2004 00:13									#306
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If you have Daelan get him to whack the chest; he can probably take the hit.

	06-10-2004 02:44									#307
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quote: I plan to do a character like this at some point.

I think I posted a good build earlier in this thread

quote: Also, Jamski: what is the voice command to get the henchman to switch between missile and melee weapons? That would be really useful, because missile sneak attacks are brilliant, but once the enemies get too close then you really need the henchman to change weapons.

Sadly there isn't one

-Jam

	06-10-2004 03:13									#308
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Found it:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...541#post3214541

There are some errors in the build-- for example, you need power attack, cleave, and great cleave to get Overwhelming and Devastating Criticals, plus your choice of weapons is rather limited. I tried my hand at correcting them a few posts later (with potential room for dual-wield, as well). Note that the Martial Proficiency isn't really needed; I took it just because.

	06-10-2004 03:41									#309
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I have something else in mind. Not quite finished the build yet though. I'll keep you posted.

	06-10-2004 13:53									#310
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I remember there being a Henchman AI script on the vault that could be implemented into the OC. It's also not too difficult to script yourself. Just add some listen commands. However, you'd have to do something with your save game to use it without restarting (I don't know how to do this).

	06-10-2004 14:29									#311
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It's not worth tinkering with my save game to be honest, although I would like to install a hack pack to have this automatically as it would be most useful.

(and far more realistic, although I know this is a very dangerous word to use on Civ forums )

Thanks DaShi.

	07-10-2004 15:48									#312
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Right, I am bored of waiting for others to decide on how to build a 'poly hero(ine), and have come up with the following, but I still need some help, because obviously I haven't got the game in front of me.

Lvl 1 Human rogue

STR 10
CON 9
DEX 16 (Mmm ambidextrous fighting )
INT 16
WIS 10
CHA 14 (Sweet talking with Persuade )

Unfortunately I can't remember whether I've got another point to spend or not. If there is one left then it obviously can't go onto DEX or INT, and I'll probably just dump it on CON to round things up, but can someone help me with this please!

	07-10-2004 19:10									#313
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charisma is a waste . If you are using melee weaons I would put it into strength and consitution. but that's just me. I don't like to be a weakling if I'm going toe to toe with creatures.

this character would be better specializing in missile weapons of some sort.

	07-10-2004 19:14									#314
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Well stump up some attributes and we can fight it out talk it over.

	08-10-2004 03:03									#315
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That's a reasonable start for a rogue/wizard. You could use a rapier and maybe finesse if you are adding more to dex. I'd drop charisma, and int unless you are planning wizard levels.

	08-10-2004 04:02									#316
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I think you meant sorc.

I'm kind of interested in a wizard/rogue. using a crossbow probably.

The simple fact is there are so many skills in this game I have not tried, because I don't have enough skill points to go around. I would like to try the scribe scrolls and potions. maybe even craft armour/weapon.

I really don't think this game gives you enough skill points each level. My elven cleric only gets 1 point per level, and I put that in spellcraft.

	08-10-2004 22:44									#317
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The new updaye is out, but the updater is dreadfully slow right now.

Of course Folderol is already updated.....

ACK!

	09-10-2004 00:43									#318
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I think you meant sorc.

No, rogue/sorc isn't a good combo.

	09-10-2004 01:08									#319
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Rogue/sorc has a poor synergy. Rogue/wizard works much better.

Patch 1.64 is out! But stuff downloading it on dial-up from the official site It'll have to wait a week for my broadband

Unless someone can mirror it for me (I need the German v1.64 critical rebuild) I can't DL 76 megs at 4.1 kb/sec. That is SO not funny.

There's some great stuff in the patch btw - two new monster models and a HEAP of little fixes... and a HUGE HEAP of new tasty scripting commands! Yay! ZAZ!

-Jam

	09-10-2004 18:23									#320
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Mostly due to this thread I got NWN (Gold Edition). It's addicting as anything I've played. Went out recently and got the 2nd expansion, even tho' I haven't the original game yet.
Bioware should give you all a commission for selling me the game (that works out to .00000001 cent each).

	09-10-2004 19:45									#321
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I want 0.00001 cents!

	09-10-2004 20:55									#322
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Put my .00000001 cents towards Poly Plus!

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	10-10-2004 04:14									#323
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Hehehe

Folderol was the first server patched to 1.64 BTW, causing these weekend stats - SO FAR - wow!

code:
Friday: 70 unique users, 223 logins

Saturday (mid-day): 52 unique users, 97 logins.

Sweet But I'm missing all the crowds

If you can get on to Folderol be extra nice to the noobs and get them to stay.

-Jam

	10-10-2004 04:24									#324
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I wondered why there were 11 people on earlier.

	10-10-2004 04:38									#325
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Its American evening now, so it will start getting REALLY full in the next hours. Get on there - make me jealous.

-Jam

	10-10-2004 06:50									#326
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I had three women at once following me through the ants.

I'm a chick magnet on Foderol!



ACK!

	10-10-2004 06:51									#327
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Oh, and Jamski, please give us poor Rapier users something besides a +4 rapier.

It's getting old.

ACK!

	10-10-2004 08:50									#328
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski I had three women at once following me through the ants. I'm a chick magnet on Foderol! ACK!

what's the deal with those ants? I can't damage them. Of course, I'm still a low level.

I see the location of a lot of people in that area. What's down there?

	10-10-2004 09:42									#329
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident what's the deal with those ants? I can't damage them. Of course, I'm still a low level. I see the location of a lot of people in that area. What's down there?

Higher level characters take low level characters through there.

I spawn a 26th level creature and you with a 2nd(for instance) level character bring the average party level down to 13 giving me and you like 400xp a kill.

When I spawn 4 of them........

Great for leveling.

ACK!

	10-10-2004 14:26									#330
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Ants are abuse, and everyone goes there at the moment. I may have started it actually, since I convinced some players to join me there a few weeks ago when I realised how abusive they were, and seemingly started off a massive ant killing phase.

There is a lull around 17-22, because you are too high for the ants that spawn, and can't spawn gi-ants yet. Equally they aren't that great post 28. Otherwise they are juicy abuse. They have no powers, don't hit that hard, and give great xp. The difficulty rating in NWN is something that sticks out and shows it's an 'amateur' online RPG.