14-08-2004 06:02									#271
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quote: I wonder what else is "seared" in his memory?

My guess is anything that is expedient to his goals at a given time.

	14-08-2004 06:08									#272
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: I wonder what else is "seared" in his memory? My guess is anything that is expedient to his goals at a given time.

Which means he's an effective politician.

	14-08-2004 06:17									#273
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If he's such an effective politician, why is he doing his best to avoid any discussion of his record as a Senator?

	14-08-2004 06:50									#275
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http://www.powmiafamiliesagainstjoh...rband/photo.htm

	14-08-2004 06:56									#276
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More proof of Kerry's skill as a politician...

	14-08-2004 07:13									#277
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Maybe it's not too late for Al Gore to try another run at it...

	14-08-2004 07:14									#278
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Actually, 51.3% voted in the last US Fed election. In Canada, 60% voted in the 2004 federal election, and it goes down every year. Considering we only have 30 million people, I'd say this difference isn't that great... when populations get bigger, less people vote, its just how it goes.

I didn't even notice this response.

Stupidest analysis ever.

quote: Last time the US had 60% turnout, it had 120 million people in 1968. What does that say about us?

Us? You're not Canadian.

	14-08-2004 08:51									#279
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov This is DD you're talking about. He doesn't deal in specifics, lest he not be able to weasel out of things.

Personally, I'd say that the fact the investigation ordered by Sen. Mark Hatfield wasn't able to confirm any of the details alleged in the Winter Soldier Investigation including Kerry's own claims to have committed war crimes does tend to cast a pall over its credibility.

	14-08-2004 21:46									#280
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten If he's such an effective politician, why is he doing his best to avoid any discussion of his record as a Senator?

Like I said: Senators have records?

	14-08-2004 22:17									#281
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Since they're both liars and mendacants, I suggest you all vote for Walt Borwn and Mary Cal Hollis. Socialist Party in 2004! w00+!

	15-08-2004 05:15									#282
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quote: Like I said: Senators have records?

Of course they do. What kind of lame excuse is this? I know you're in a tough spot having to defend a lying douchebag like John Forbes Kerry, but you have to be able to do better than this...

	16-08-2004 02:28									#283
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln

That's a cute photo. It would be more useful, however, if we saw on what boat, in what squadron or whatever you squiddies call a group of small boats, these fine gents actually served directly with Kerry.

It would be even more useful if we could see what they had to say about him before he pissed off a lot of gung-ho vets with his VVAW activities.

	16-08-2004 02:32									#284
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quote: Personally, I'd say that the fact the investigation ordered by Sen. Mark Hatfield wasn't able to confirm any of the details alleged in the Winter Soldier Investigation including Kerry's own claims to have committed war crimes does tend to cast a pall over its credibility.

My understanding is that the VVAW leadership told their members not to cooperate with the military regarding war crimes investigations. IIRC, the WS testimony has never been contradicted, though.

	16-08-2004 02:33									#285
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Like I said: Senators have records? Of course they do.

Really? Are you familiar with the legislative process? Between committee hearings, amendments, floor votes, conference committees, etc., I doubt there's one bill of any significance that has originated with any member of Congress and not been thoroughly bastardized. Show me one Senator or Representative with a real record, other than grandstanding in hearings.

quote: What kind of lame excuse is this?

It's the reality of the legislative process. Sorry that reality is so inconvenient.

quote: I know you're in a tough spot having to defend a lying douchebag like John Forbes Kerry, but you have to be able to do better than this...

Even if he was a lying douchebag, he'd need no defense. He hasn't told a single lie as President of the United States, so he's way ahead of his opponent. Who isn't exactly running on his record of "achievement" despite being the incumbent. If the Bushophants had any accomplishments of substance to run on, you wouldn't need to try so hard with the smear campaign.

	16-08-2004 05:16									#288
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Even if he was a lying douchebag, he'd need no defense. He hasn't told a single lie as President of the United States, so he's way ahead of his opponent. Who isn't exactly running on his record of "achievement" despite being the incumbent. If the Bushophants had any accomplishments of substance to run on, you wouldn't need to try so hard with the smear campaign.

THAT IS TRUTH RIGHT THERE! BOOYA!

	16-08-2004 05:16									#289
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quote: Between committee hearings, amendments, floor votes, conference committees, etc., I doubt there's one bill of any significance that has originated with any member of Congress and not been thoroughly bastardized.

When did I say that passing named bills made up the totality of a Senator's record? Way to knock down that straw man, but it really has nothing to do with my point. The passing of bills is indeed a part of a Senator's record (a part Kerry fails miserably in), but so are other activities like participation on commitees. I know you'd like to discount these activities given Kerry's horrible record on them (missed 38 of 49 public hearings while serving on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence between 1993 and 2000), but reality isn't dictated by your spin.

quote: Even if he was a lying douchebag, he'd need no defense. He hasn't told a single lie as President of the United States, so he's way ahead of his opponent.

Oh, so it's OK to be a liar as long as you haven't lied while serving in the position you're lying to acquire...

Come on, MtG, you didn't really write this tripe, did you?

quote: you wouldn't need to try so hard with the smear campaign.

1. It's not a smear campaign, at least on my part. I dislike both Bush and Kerry, but the majority of Poly hates Bush and has him in their crosshairs on a permanent basis. A lot of you have lost your damn minds in support of Kerry, however, and someone needs to point out just what a piece of **** he really is. Sadly, that's fallen to me.

2. I'm not trying hard. A few minutes a day on the blogosphere turns up plenty of embarassing Kerry stories that you'll never hear about from the Big Media.

	16-08-2004 05:18									#290
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Drake, big media has yet to report on the ****ups of bush. like iraq. like anything hes done.

	16-08-2004 05:18									#291
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tow the line a liitle more. dont be so hard up to knock kerry just because all the commie pansies here dont.

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quote: Drake, big media has yet to report on the ****ups of bush. like iraq. like anything hes done.

Wow, it's only 9 in the morning here and we already have what seems to be a lock on the "most ignorant comment of the day" award. Good show!

	16-08-2004 05:23									#293
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat That's a cute photo. It would be more useful, however, if we saw on what boat, in what squadron or whatever you squiddies call a group of small boats, these fine gents actually served directly with Kerry. It would be even more useful if we could see what they had to say about him before he pissed off a lot of gung-ho vets with his VVAW activities.

I looked up a couple. One was on a PT boat helping Kerry when he got one of his medals (Bernique I think). Another served on another Swift boat near his etc. etc. Some did respect Kerry in the beginning but it seemed he had a problem with exaggerating his stories (a common problem in the Navy ). When he spun his tall tales after he left his shipmates in order to run for Congress and make a name for himself it was the last straw evidently for many of them. Hey, when I was in the Submarine service I even stuck up for a skipper we used to call "Charlie Tuna chicken of the sea". There is a limit though to how much BS even a sailer can take.

	16-08-2004 05:25									#294
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Lincoln, give it up. It is simply not possible for Kerry to be worse than Bush, unless he was Carter or Hitler or something like that. End of story.

	16-08-2004 05:29									#295
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Drake, big media has yet to report on the ****ups of bush. like iraq. like anything hes done. Wow, it's only 9 in the morning here and we already have what seems to be a lock on the "most ignorant comment of the day" award. Good show!

see drake, this is what im talking about. you say you arent one sided but when someone says something of a different viewpoint, in this case television, print and radio reporting of the ****ups of bush, you come up with an attack like that.

all i see on msnbc, fox news, washington post, 90% of radio networks, is a lapdog relationship with bush

you may see it differently but thats no reasion to say its an ignorant statement.

	16-08-2004 05:30									#296
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Lincoln, give it up. It is simply not possible for Kerry to be worse than Bush, unless he was Carter or Hitler or something like that. End of story.

this is the second truth.

	16-08-2004 05:31									#297
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I actually read an interesting piece a month or so back about how Kerry might end up like Carter. The gist of it was that people are voting for Kerry not because they agree with his views (if such views even exist ), but simply to get Bush out of office. This kind of support would not give Kerry any sort of mandate to push his agenda after being elected, since most of his support will dry up once the primary goal, ie. beat Bush, has been achieved. With no mandate, Kerry ends up like Carter, a President with no political capital, unable to achieve anything of note.

I think the comparison is a little unfair, though. Carter was at least an honest and moral man...

edit: Here's the article, I think...

http://slate.msn.com/id/2096408

Talks more about Kerry's lack of salesmanship and less about his potential lack of a mandate that I remembered, though. Might be combining two articles in my mind. Damn memory...

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	16-08-2004 05:32									#298
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Carter was in subs too but I didn't care for him much either.

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also maybe if bush wasnt doing things that some of us consider a ****up in plain view then it wouldnt be reported. but covert wars can get so nasty.

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quote: you may see it differently but thats no reasion to say its an ignorant statement.

The fact that it flies in the face of reality is a good enough reason in my book...