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That is the official spirit of TCPA. Sure its written in the specs, but the power of manufacturers to abuse this, and not to follow it, the risk is high.
Underhand methods can occur. Possibly, it may insert, an "you cannot run this, because it is not authorised by us" algorithm. It isn't declared, either. The chip itself cannot be altered, as well.
Is it explicitly declared, as a law, that companies cannot abuse it that way? If can't, then it is a severe threat to civil rights. Currently, I'm seeing a lot of lobbying for laws the other way round, that higher companies are guaranteed these abilities....
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Did it ever occur to you that consumers simply would not upgrade to software like that? Did it ever occur to you that even Bush's administration would not allow such blatant anti-trust breaches? Did it ever occur to you that the very notion of MS being able to do that is in violation of the TCPA spec? |
Did it ever occur that the consumer masses are blind, accepting, generally blur, and stupid? That the neo-conservative Bush would probably encourage it? And that MS would go forth anyway, as long it wasn't official?
It is precisely because consumers generally are oblivious to such things, that there is a danger.
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Is it explicitly declared, as a law, that companies cannot abuse it that way? |
Yes, it is. For one, it's in violation of anti-trust laws. 
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Did it ever occur that the consumer masses are blind, accepting, generally blur, and stupid? |
They're not as stupid as you think. Word of mouth spreads fast, and if they find out the new version of Windows prevents you from doing what you could do before, why would they upgrade?
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and if they find out the new version of Windows prevents you from doing what you could do before, why would they upgrade? |
Fear, uncertainty, doubt of the alternative?
They would mostly shrug it off, and continue. Also because they tend to be short-sighted, and most of what they are using right now won't be impaired, but future innovations they may need
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Yes, it is. For one, it's in violation of anti-trust laws. |
Not exactly. The laws are so vague and subjective, TCPA can easily bypass it because its regarded as good. They'll give them the power, because they think they would use it for good; but the abuse may be high.
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If they use TCPA to block out competition, that's a blatant violation of anti-trust. |
To civic-minded citizens yes.
To the law, no. Not if they do it via underhand means and loopholes. Its funny, because different laws contradict each other, or in their spirit, ie. DMCA and the same antitrust laws.
Basically, one would have the authority to decide which "good" software, and which is "bad", and the law would not penalise them, because one is simply doing the duty of blocking "bad" software, never mind their actual intention.
That I have? That would be Slack current.
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Yes, the 2.6.x kernel is officially stable, but not reputably, empirically so, it would be common for a lot of vulnerabilities to be found. Generally, most servers should stay away from it, till it becomes more secure, and stick with 2.4.x Being a consumer, I don't see any signficicant risks.
Patching needs to be done, but not as much as Windows, I would think. Some of them are LOCAL root vulnerabilities, which are not as powerful as say, remote control vulnerabilities.
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Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
Yes, the 2.6.x kernel is officially stable, but not reputably, empirically so, it would be common for a lot of vulnerabilities to be found. Generally, most servers should stay away from it, till it becomes more secure, and stick with 2.4.x Being a consumer, I don't see any signficicant risks.
Patching needs to be done, but not as much as Windows, I would think. Some of them are LOCAL root vulnerabilities, which are not as powerful as say, remote control vulnerabilities. |
All you need is one vulnerability to gain access to the system.
It's funny to me how Mac/Linux people make fun of Windows every time there's a security patch, yet silently ignore it when their systems get patched. All the while smiling that they have no virus problems.  If I wrote an OS with 2% marketshare, I bet it wouldn't have a virus problem either.
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Natalinasmpf
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Anti-trust has loopholes.
TCPA can go through them if companies are unscrupulous.
Its just like suddenly removing a branch from your 3 branch checking system. It could cause severe loopholes or corruption.
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Natalinasmpf
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Actually that was a summary; the substantial can be found in above posts.
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Really? Explain how, that you guarantee companies would not find a new way of abuse through TCPA?
You already have the DMCA somewhat contradicting antitrust laws, as well...
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
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Yes, the 2.6.x kernel is officially stable, but not reputably, empirically so, it would be common for a lot of vulnerabilities to be found. Generally, most servers should stay away from it, till it becomes more secure, and stick with 2.4.x Being a consumer, I don't see any signficicant risks. |
i favor 2.6 over 2.4. why? lots of features that i've found i can't live without now.
for instance: better device driver models. better support for usb, ieee1394/firewire, gigabit ethernet, alsasound...
2.4 being "stable" and what not is good for only one thing, servers. and if you're going to be that anal about it, might as well stay with debian.
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2.4 being "stable" and what not is good for only one thing, servers. and if you're going to be that anal about it, might as well stay with debian. |
Whoops, forgot, I meant, "I don't see any significant risks with 2.6, being a consumer".
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better device driver models. better support for usb, ieee1394/firewire, gigabit ethernet, alsasound... |
Ditto. Don't forget anticipatory I/O scheduling.
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Kaak
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Providing consumers a free product is not anti-trust, preventing consumers from using a competitor's product is. |
Then Microsoft is clearly in violation of anti-trust laws, because they prevent people who cannot use crappy operating systems from using the PPC 970.
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Originally posted by Natalinasmpf Wrong. It started behind, but it is catching up. The tortoise and the hare. Linux on the desktop is moving at a tad faster speed. It'll take some time to catch up yes, but there the disparity is closing. If you hadn't looked at Novell's and SuSE's new products... |
Point of interest: the hare was the one who moved faster.
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The hare can move faster, but the capitalistic complacent proprietary stuff often slows it down.
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10-08-2004 19:52
what with them already having efi support and all...
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