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Kaak is offline Kaak
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never has anything been more appropriate:

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Providing consumers a free product is not anti-trust, preventing consumers from using a competitor's product is.

Yeah, like, I dunno, telling OEMs that if they carried a competing product, let's say, a web browser, that they could kiss their competitive Windows pricing good-bye?

I know you'll respond with the "Netscape was ****" rant, but it doesn't make what MS did back in those days any less illegal.

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Yeah, like, I dunno, telling OEMs that if they carried a competing product, let's say, a web browser, that they could kiss their competitive Windows pricing good-bye?

That is certainly anti-trust, and THAT they were busted for.

Bundling IE was not ruled illegal.

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The hare can move faster, but the capitalistic complacent proprietary stuff often slows it down.


Or the "we are actually making money from our work" stuff is a good motivator to keep working.

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And produce a good product.

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never has anything been more appropriate:


That image is crass and demeaning.

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WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE RETARDS

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Sep 2003
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I had a classmate when I lived in the US who suffered from polio who particpates in the Special Olympics actually, he isn't retarded at all, just speech and movement impaired. He has a perfect state of mind , however, and knows perfectly well his subjects, what he should do, that is why he was scolded (what do you expect in third grade) when he tried to use his disabilities as a crutch or excuse.

Retarded? No. Not for a third-grader, who, I think, I was in the class till sixth grade, (anything after I don't know because I went back to Singapore's school system after that time) and wrote insanely funny limericks.

Disabled? Yes.

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i know a lot of disabled people use windows and apple.

obviously, windows and apple are more suited to disability accessibility.

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btw, this is retarded.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3554084.stm

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Microsoft opens cut-price Windows

Most of the world's PCs use Windows
Microsoft is to launch a cheaper version of its Windows XP operating system in an effort to halt the rise of low-cost Linux software.

The software giant said the new system, named Windows XP Starter Edition, would go on sale in Asia in October.

The company said the cut-price software was designed for "first-time desktop PC users in developing countries".

The move is seen as a response to Linux, a free-to-use system with a strong following in poor countries.

Competitive threat

Analysts say Linux poses a growing threat to Microsoft's dominant Windows operating system, used on more than 90% of the world's computers.

A so-called 'open source' system which PC users can install on their machines and modify without paying a licence fee, Linux has made significant inroads into the software market in Latin America and Asia.

Earlier this year, computer giant HP began shipping computers equipped with Linux to China and India.

Linux is also championed by Microsoft critics who say the firm's dominance of the global software market makes computer systems more vulnerable to potentially disabling viruses.

Microsoft's new software - dubbed "XP Lite" - will feature lower resolution graphics and limited options for networking computers together.

It will also limit users to running three programs concurrently - a far cry from the full version of XP, where the only practical limit comes from the speed of the computer and the size of its memory.


It will be available initially in Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and two other as yet unspecified Asian countries.

Microsoft said it hoped the new software would also help deter consumers from buying pirated versions of its XP system, widely available in many Asian countries.


it's retarded, particularly lower graphics and only three programs at once.

never mind the fact that it won't bother most people... i just hate it when something deliberately crippled makes it to market.

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It's retarded all right.

This whole thing started at Thailand where the threat of a nationwide defection over to Linux forced MS to sell XP Pro (maybe even Office) at USD30.

I wonder why anybody in Thailand would buy this when they can get the full version. Unless MS peforms bait-and-switch under broad daylight.

Of course, everybody in the region is now upset because of the preferential treatment.

Linux

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It will also limit users to running three programs concurrently - a far cry from the full version of XP, where the only practical limit comes from the speed of the computer and the size of its memory.


I can envision someone hacking into XP Lite and changing this. Or with an easy to use program to download, that replaces appropriate DLL's...

And you can also cheat, by writing a single program, that actually runs simultaneous programs, (does the function of it), its like a mini kernel with a kernel.

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Neither seems feasible. The limit is probably hard cored. If MS can't figure out how to change some of the things in Windows with the source code available, good luck.

The second one is way too much work, at the very least.

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I think this could backfire real good, when people do not get much information they get the feel Windows XP is inferior to Linux in every way

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It is.

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The limit is probably hard cored


In a DYNAMIC LINK LIBRARY. IF its modular, then you simply have to change parts of it. Replace it. A lot of this has already been done.

And since XP Lite can't detect whether a program will actually become a kernel of its own...

Take for example, running cygwin. Its one program, but in reality its a full scale kernel.

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I don't get this Linux vs. MS argument . I am a dual-booter . Being a Comp. Sci. student , I use linux for my programming , and windows for my games/surfing (damn winmodem (getting a real modem soon)) . Linux is better for the programmer , and WIn for the gamer , as I see it . And if you don't like a certain system , don't use , just don't rant about it . I like both . And I'm soon palnning to upgrade to the 2.6 series kernel .

But you have to admit , there are quite a few very cool OS projects which are simply unavailable in Win . . . . . . like this one I found "http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/" - allows you to transmit SW AM radio using your monitor's CRT . Fantastic for listening to mp3s anywhere you have the reciever .

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aneeshm.

zealots don't listen to the other side, and refuse on principle to recgonize and utilize the benefits of the other system when given the opportunity.

linmodem doesn't work? hmm... personally, i say you should move to 2.6 now. it beats 2.4 hands down.

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In a DYNAMIC LINK LIBRARY.


This appears to be a guess.

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Take for example, running cygwin. Its one program, but in reality its a full scale kernel.


Cygwin is not a kernel.

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Anyone have their system trashed by SP2 yet?

I work with one guy who has. After the application of the SP, took the 3.1 Ghz machine 35 minutes to boot, and then did not have a start menu, task bar, desktop items, or anything else to try and launch any program with.

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Cygwin is not a kernel.


It emulates running one.

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Does 2.6 have support for those old 56k modems (HSF/HCF) by Rockwell/Conexant (internal) ?

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I would install Bochs (Open Source VMWare) and the test out new installs inside of it.

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I work with one guy who has. After the application of the SP, took the 3.1 Ghz machine 35 minutes to boot, and then did not have a start menu, task bar, desktop items, or anything else to try and launch any program with.


Strg+Alt+Del
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Explorer.exe has caused an error in KERNEL32.DLL
Explorer.exe will now close.

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I never got Tempest to work properly with mp3s, but I did use it once to listen to Für Elise. It was pretty cool, true.

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It emulates running one.


IIRC, it's a thunking layer, not an emulator.

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I assume he tried rebooting multiple times.

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Many times, and he works with Desktops in our IT group, so he is pretty familiar with the ins and outs of windows

 
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