08-08-2004 04:09									#31
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	08-08-2004 04:17									#32
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they are for me

	08-08-2004 04:20									#33
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Me too.

	08-08-2004 04:25									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Felch Ignorant-ass 'bamas. X-box is just as capable of being a platform for a decent RPG as the PC. There is no reason why a game like Fallout wouldn't work on the X-box. And nothing I have heard said the game will be "linear and consolish." I dare say you boys have had a heaping helping of Haterade this evening.

too expensive? why would I buy an X-bpx for one game?

	08-08-2004 04:27									#35
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Maybe you guys looked at a site with them already and are cached.

	08-08-2004 05:18									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident too expensive? why would I buy an X-bpx for one game?

A fresh X-box is cheaper than a new graphics card. Consoles are far less expensive than PCs even if you buy a whole new one every two or three years.

Besides, it's not just one game. You're welcome to expand your horizons. Halo 2, Jade Empire, and a whole slew of games that are already out (like Ninja Gaiden) might be fun - if you give them a chance. Or just hate on other people having fun.

Way too many people on this board hate on games that they've never even played. I can't count how many times I've seen people say that a game sucks because it's 3D or because it "lacks gameplay." Lacks gameplay is what people say when they can't think of any actual criticism; if the game is over too quickly, fine; if the controls are clumsy and impossible to change, fine; if the AI is retarded, fine; but to make a general statement like "lacks gameplay" is just a supercilious way of saying "it sucks because I say so and there."

I'm optimistic about Fable. PM has made mistakes - I didn't really like how dumb the villagers were in B&W - but he's got good ideas, and I'd like to see how this one plays out.

	08-08-2004 05:43									#37
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but my PC isn't just a gaming machine. I also use it to post at Poly

Console games tend to be made for little kids. Very amatuerish.

As for this game, if it's any good they will release it for the PC. So I'll wait and see.

	08-08-2004 06:07									#38
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Is this already out for xbox?

	08-08-2004 06:08									#39
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yes it is, I'M DEFINITELY GETTING IT!!!!!!

	08-08-2004 06:13									#40
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Is the combat turn based or what?

	08-08-2004 06:13									#41
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I don't think for a moment that console games are made for little kids. Back in the day it was true, but the gamers with the big bucks are older now, and able to handle more advanced and mature games. And if anything is amatuerish, it's PC games, where anybody with a computer and a C compiler can crap out a piece of ****. Consoles since the NES have had standards to weed out the worst of the worst.

I would agree though that PCs have more functionality. but I've grown tired of buying new computers and upgrading for hundreds and even thousands of dollars. Once you have your base functionality, your gaming dollars are probably better spent on consoles.

Consoles are more stable, effectively immune to viruses, have fewer headaches with multiplaying, all for less than a comparable PC. While they're not for everybody, I'd say that they do deserve a look, especially if you haven't looked at the latest generation.

But to each their own. I'm sorry if I seem overly harsh Diss, I just get annoyed by some of the attitudes I see. I was a hater on consoles for a while, but the X-box really changed my views on them. And you're right, any good idea is likely to end up on the PC in the end.

	08-08-2004 06:16									#42
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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear Is the combat turn based or what?

I think it's supposed to be real time, but with certain features to slow it down. An interview with PM I saw on Tech TV had him saying that there would be spells you could cast to get a sort of bullet time action going on.

I think it will be simple enough for most people to handle, except in the boss fights, without magic. This isn't intended as an action game.

	08-08-2004 06:25									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Felch And if anything is amatuerish, it's PC games, where anybody with a computer and a C compiler can crap out a piece of ****. Consoles since the NES have had standards to weed out the worst of the worst.

That's total bullshit. Just look at games like Fallout: Botherhood of Steele. There is no standard to weed out the worst of the worst.

	08-08-2004 06:25									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Felch I don't think for a moment that console games are made for little kids. Back in the day it was true, but the gamers with the big bucks are older now, and able to handle more advanced and mature games. And if anything is amatuerish, it's PC games, where anybody with a computer and a C compiler can crap out a piece of ****. Consoles since the NES have had standards to weed out the worst of the worst. I would agree though that PCs have more functionality. but I've grown tired of buying new computers and upgrading for hundreds and even thousands of dollars. Once you have your base functionality, your gaming dollars are probably better spent on consoles. Consoles are more stable, effectively immune to viruses, have fewer headaches with multiplaying, all for less than a comparable PC. While they're not for everybody, I'd say that they do deserve a look, especially if you haven't looked at the latest generation. But to each their own. I'm sorry if I seem overly harsh Diss, I just get annoyed by some of the attitudes I see. I was a hater on consoles for a while, but the X-box really changed my views on them. And you're right, any good idea is likely to end up on the PC in the end.

I'll make this easy. Games I like to play are:

civ3, smac, Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate/Infinity games.

Are any of these games on console? No.

Games I may possibly play in the future. World of Warcraft, Everquest 2. Are they on console?

the only games that have been on X-box I would play are Morrowind (which I grew bored of) and KOTOR. But I have already played the PC versions.

	08-08-2004 06:44									#45
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Is it any surprise that, being someone who only owns a PC, that all of the favorite games you like to play are on the PC?

It's what you have, it's what you play, it'll be where all the favorite games you play are at...

	08-08-2004 06:57									#46
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I have access to an Xbox and all my favorite games are on the PC...

	08-08-2004 07:12									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Is it any surprise that, being someone who only owns a PC, that all of the favorite games you like to play are on the PC? It's what you have, it's what you play, it'll be where all the favorite games you play are at...

No, it's based off genres I like. I like TBS games and RPG's.

And yes I have tried other games. I mentioned I tried Doom2. It just didn't interest me very much. I have also played Halo for about 1 hour.

	08-08-2004 07:42									#48
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I know people who played Civ for an hour and didn't like it. Mostly because instead of approaching the game with a mindset of trying to enjoy it, they decided ahead of time that it would be boring. They sit down to a TBS judging it on FPS standards and come away disappointed.

I think that most games have merit. Some get old quicker than others, but the real reason people don't like games is because they decide ahead of time they won't like it. There are excellent games in all genres that anybody who wants to have fun will enjoy. Y'all see, video games are like girls. Folks might claim to prefer personality to T&A, but in reality, real men will be just as happy with a vapid big tittied slut as a poetic intellectual chick. It's just that you'll like them for different reasons.

	08-08-2004 07:49									#49
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I have an open mind. I have liked console games. They just didn't really compare to their PC counterparts.

	08-08-2004 07:58									#50
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Bah humbug

	08-08-2004 08:07									#51
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	08-08-2004 11:23									#52
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Mark my words: this game will suck. I feel it in my bones. The only thing they talk about are the gimmicks...

	08-08-2004 12:46									#53
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I've had a sneaking suspicion recently as well -- mainly when they chopped off parts of the game and simplified it. It smells like MOO3 to me.

	08-08-2004 13:00									#54
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Unlike MOO3, however, Molnieux isn't the type of designer who is going to be 'rushed' by the publisher. He's got a big enough name to say sod off. Black and White may not have been that great of a game, but it didn't seem rushed in anyway.

Anyway, I'm REALLY looking forward to this. Between this, Doom3, Half Life 2, KOTOR2, and Jade Empire (which I think will be the best X-Box game of the year) I'll be spending a good amount on my X-Box .

	08-08-2004 13:06									#55
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Halo 2! Halo 2!

	08-08-2004 13:19									#56
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Meh... Halo 2 is on the bottom of the list I've stated. I played Halo 1 - no big deal, at least compared to Half Life or KOTOR.

	08-08-2004 13:33									#57
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There's a BIG Fable video on the new Xbox demo disc from the official Xbox magazine (which is a worthless POS publication by the way). The video makes the game at least look pretty kick ass.

	08-08-2004 14:09									#58
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Thanks for pointing it out, Bustamike. JESUS, this game looks AMAZING! The video shows off a lot of combat (and the boast circle is pretty cool). And the interaction with villagers is utterly amazing. People remember if you were flirting with them before. If you run around with just your underwear people laugh at you and notice that you are barely dressed. It's incredible how much people seem to remember about you.

	08-08-2004 21:44									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And the interaction with villagers is utterly amazing. People remember if you were flirting with them before. If you run around with just your underwear people laugh at you and notice that you are barely dressed. It's incredible how much people seem to remember about you.

Arcanum and even Morrowind had this to some extent.

	08-08-2004 23:26									#60
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Not even close to the same level. You have to see it (and I've played both Arcanum and Morrowind). I mean a lot of this stuff happens just walking by other people (you don't have to engage them in conversation) which makes the world seem more 'real' and much more living. I mean other games make the claim that the world goes on without you, but from the movie I've seen of 'Fable' no game comes close to how it does it.