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Originally posted by problem_child
By the way, how does a nation of mostly poor people lose alot by voting for a President who has promised (and already delivered) things like free medical care education programs and involving the military in civic-aid projects (as opposed to right-wing pro-American groups who preffer it when South American militaries stick to civic torture, death-squads and oppresion).
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Exactly. Now don't forget. Venezuela has a lot of oil. Actually its revenues from it ressemble almost Saudi Arabia's.
The "elites" of Venezuela with the aid of american companies and US government (the americano hillbillo fascists who post here are just their unrealizingly led stooges) want that oil money for their pockets.
Chavez is the man who tries to put that oil money in use for the benefit of its people, the people of Venezuela. Food, education, medical care.
It is natural that they'll try coups against him, defame him do whatever their sick criminal money hungry minds can think of.
In the end of the day what matters is that Chavez is actually just a pawn. A pawn of the people of Venezuela for which he fights. And may all his fight be succesful and as less bloody as possible. He simply expresses their will.
Salutations to him and hold strong.
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Of course he could try to sing less.
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
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Not recognising that the counter-revolutionaries will use violence against you whether you're armed or not  |
Ah yes, the great "counter-revolutionary" excuse. If you guys were original, you might be able to sell it, but commies have done this theme to death.
"All communist revolutions are peaceful, it's the counter-revolutionaries who cause violence. We just suspend the constitution, abolish political parties, impose censorship, confiscate and redistribute property at will, arrest potential opponents, send educated and skilled people who might see through our BS to "reeducation" camps to break them, and if everyone just went along with this without question, while we take what we want, assume all power and **** the economy into the ground, there would be no violence. But those evil counter-revolutionaries."
 
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Agathon
Given the manifest failure of the Venezuelan economy to deal with mass poverty in the years prior to Chavez' election, that is a joke.
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Given local corruption, bureaucratic inefficiency and other structural issues, substituting one form of mismangement for another isn't going to be really useful in the long run.
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He has made impressive gains in health care and literacy among other things. When literacy is a problem in your country, capitalism isn't going to help much.
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Which is all nice, assuming it can be sustained, assuming there's economic growth, and a whole bunch of other factors. It's a little early to cheer, since not much has occurred so far other than bandaids with a little smoke and mirrors.
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Look, all Chavez is trying to do is to raise the education and living standards of the poor so that they will be much like poor people in countries like Australia and New Zealand (i.e. they have access to health care and education). That means an expanded welfare state. Who knows how long this will be necessary, but leaving things as they were was clearly not an option according to the majority of Venezuelans.
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Which is real laudable and nice and all that, until changes in the oil markets, inefficiency in oil production, inflation and currency devaluation (give it all a little time) torpedoes the whole enterprise.
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Chavez isn't a fascist. He's been quite scrupulous about being as democratic as possible.
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They usually are. Being "as democratic as possible" leaves enough wiggle room to navigate a supertanker through. 
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He's just a cynical thug, without enough education to have an ideology. 
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