16-08-2004 19:36									#121
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Irrelevant post

That's what I read. Who is this Colon person?

	16-08-2004 19:42									#122
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quote: Republicans don't care about average people.

Bullshit. The Republican Party is the party of the common man.

	16-08-2004 19:47									#123
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child For a nation that says 'we don't lose much of anything' alot in that I-don't-really-care-anyway-chap,it's-no-skin-off-my-nose sort of way, you sure do get agitated whenever a little nation somewhere southside decides to run itself in a way you can't commercialy or strategicaly exploit...

Obviously we would have prefered that he loose by a clear majority. However our priority is that the oil in Venezuala keep flowing which will be hampered if there is violence in the country.

	16-08-2004 19:48									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov That's what I read. Who is this Colon person?

Aparently proof that the US Republican party has a Euro branch and that you refuse to deal with posts from earlier in this thread.

	16-08-2004 19:57									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Republicans don't care about average people. Bullshit. The Republican Party is the party of the common man.

No, the Repugs are the party of the rich man. The Democrats are the other party of the rich man. The Dem's claim to be populist based on economic policy. The Repugs claim to be populist based on pandering to religion. Both parties are FoS.

	16-08-2004 20:05									#126
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In relative measure, the majority of Americans are rich people, considering that some 70% of households own their own homes.

	16-08-2004 20:10									#127
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Relative to what, Ethiopia?

Chavez, amigo, il Pueblo esta contigo!

	16-08-2004 20:12									#128
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Now the thread is complete.

	16-08-2004 20:34									#129
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara No, the Repugs are the party of the rich man. The Democrats are the other party of the rich man. The Dem's claim to be populist based on economic policy. The Repugs claim to be populist based on pandering to religion. Both parties are FoS.

I guess DanS agrees with you.

	16-08-2004 20:38									#130
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Obviously we would have prefered that he loose by a clear majority. However our priority is that the oil in Venezuala keep flowing which will be hampered if there is violence in the country.

Your posts are refreshing sometimes. So many conservatives try to BS all the time.

	16-08-2004 20:52									#131
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I'd guess that approx. 3 % of the posters in this thread have enough knowledge about the situation in Venzuela to have an independent and comprehensive point of view. Instead people just drag it into their everyday political reference points and their opinions about the current US administration.

I can honestly say that I do not know enough about the country to say that Chavez is good for them. All I can say is that there doesn't really seem to be an alternative that will bring anything good to the masses. Furthermore, they had a referendum, and he won. That's democracy for you. Even if they made the wrong choice, they made that choice themselves. If anyone thinks that what right and democratic is anything that benefits american oil interests you should seriously seek professional help.

	16-08-2004 21:08									#132
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Krop, the Economist estimates that the average Venezuelan income has dropped by 25% since Chavez came in, about the magnitude of our Great Depression. I don't have any compunction about projecting my views on this situation.

	16-08-2004 21:23									#133
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what is the reason to that?

	16-08-2004 21:26									#134
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The problem with that is that the opposition has had an immense hand in that drop- Chavez has instituted mayor political changes but not drastic economic changes. Increasding government control of the oil production was his big mayor move, but increased oil prices have been a big boon.

As for the opposition-they have repeatedly called for massive strikes, work stopages and so forth- this is bound to affect the economy adversely. From day one they have sought to undermine Chavez. I am sure investor confidence is shaken by his leftist ideas and cuban connections, but the sad part is he has still done more for the very poor than the people he beat last time.

	16-08-2004 21:30									#135
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What about the median income?

	16-08-2004 22:15									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Your posts are refreshing sometimes. So many conservatives try to BS all the time.

Well it's fairly obvious that given how jittery the oil market is that violence in Venezuala by the opposition given that they appear to have lost will send prices even higher. That isn't good for the incumbent this close to an election.

	16-08-2004 22:42									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Republicans don't care about average people. Bullshit. The Republican Party is the party of the common man.

Yep, the common white male with a six figure income.

	16-08-2004 23:11									#138
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Yep, the common white male with a six figure income.

So why don't you like them?

	16-08-2004 23:20									#139
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara So why don't you like them?

It's a genetic thang. Goes back to some imperialist war-mongering aggressor name of Lincoln or somethin' like that.

Besides, my income no longer qualifies.

	16-08-2004 23:24									#140
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Hey, the republican party covers rednecks, and they most definitelly are common men! Vulgar even.

	16-08-2004 23:58									#141
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Chavez did win by a big margin and should thus remain as the rightful president of Venezuela, but the fact that the opposition managed to get 40% of the vote shows that not only the hardcore "filthy rich" voted against him but that other sectors of society have legitimate concerns that should be addressed in a reasonable manner and not shoddily dismissed, if internal peace is to last.

	17-08-2004 00:21									#142
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I don't think Chavez cares now that he has his mandate.

	17-08-2004 00:25									#143
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well, he always had a mandate in terms of votes gotten.

	17-08-2004 00:30									#144
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Which only serves to strengthen my point that he cares little for the "legitimate concerns" that JCG suggests shouldn't be summarially dismissed.

	17-08-2004 00:36									#145
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Well, being democratic in the modern sense of the term is understood to be much more than just blindly accepting the will of the majority. Chavez claims to be democratic, therefore he should take this into account, even if he has the mandate to continue with his reforms.

	17-08-2004 00:36									#146
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So in that respect he is just like Bush in 2001.

	17-08-2004 00:38									#147
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quote: Originally posted by JCG Well, being democratic in the modern sense of the term is understood to be much more than just blindly accepting the will of the majority. Chavez claims to be democratic, therefore he should take this into account, even if he has the mandate to continue with his reforms.

Since when?

	17-08-2004 00:39									#148
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Well Bush has the benefit of not tanking the economy to the extent Chavez has.

	17-08-2004 00:41									#149
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The others do not have legitimate concerns. They wanted to subvert democracy and will try again. Their only concern is themselves.

	17-08-2004 00:44									#150
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Whatever Fez.